Author Topic: For Chick/Milos/Anyone who claims Bodybuilders drug usage is overestimated (Read 29682 times)

The_Punisher · « **Reply #175 on:** July 21, 2009, 07:56:14 PM »

Quote from: Kegdrainer on July 21, 2009, 07:48:10 PM

According to bob he only tried steroids once, and says he didn't like them.

25 years is a long time to try something.

Bob is a lifetime Natty

dyslexic · « **Reply #176 on:** July 21, 2009, 08:34:26 PM »

Quote from: latman1 on July 21, 2009, 05:15:26 PM

When you say steroids dont make a pitbull out of a chihuahua...What would you have considered 143lb. Mr. O Dexter Jackson?

A pitbull pup in the making? I don't think he was referring to size as much as he was referring to genetics, genius.

Chalk one up for another ignorant-ass thread.

Keep em' coming dipshits. So fucking entertaining.

arce1988 · « **Reply #177 on:** July 21, 2009, 08:35:11 PM »

flexingtonsteele · « **Reply #178 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:04:38 PM »

its a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

im pretty sure back in mindspins day when he was competing he hooked up some of his friends at the gym or those who were competing with a few amps of test here and there.

like stavios and others have said its pretty common to see dude at ur gym who all hang out and workout together all on drugs, and im pretty sure at one time or another they've all hooked each other up. Its part of this whole weird bodybuilding community.

im pretty sure all ifbb pros just about could be called drug dealers, because at one time or another they probably had something a buddy couldnt get a hold of and they sold them a few extra vials or pills of whatever substance.

Vince B · « **Reply #179 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:19:02 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 21, 2009, 01:29:05 PM

I deal drugs?

LOL

When have I ever delt drugs?

Notice Bob doesn't actually deny doing it but demands that proof be demonstrated. Someone who hasn't dealt those drugs, like myself, can simply state that he has never done that. There is no need to ask for proof because none whatsoever will ever turn up.

From the insider nature of this sport we can assume that the top guys help each other. Furthermore, no one is going to rat on others because they implicate themselves. Chick is another bullshitter who has used steroids and can't specify what he did. I used Dianabol a few times and posted about it. I have nothing to hide. Makes me wonder what on earth some of these wannabes have to do or have done to achieve bugger all.

Chick is another guy who can't take the same crap he hands out to others on this forum. He knows if you repeat something enough times some of the shit will stick. Just like how some people wonder about his hair.

TRIX · « **Reply #180 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:30:21 PM »

GENETICS = MUSCLE SHAPE, MUSCLE SIZE = FOOD, DRUGS

WillGrant · « **Reply #181 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:57:23 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 21, 2009, 10:34:33 AM

theres no reason why this guy in particular has to be on lots of drugs. what if this guy has only been taking 25mg of winstrol per day ? you dont know what he is or is not taking..

I think you miss the point mate , that guy could be on 25mg of winstrol or 20 grams a week it doesnt make up for the lack of potential..drugs dont mask poor genetics..

Chick is correct when he says Drugs dont make a pitbull out of a chihuahua , genetic potential must be there to begin with.

TRIX · « **Reply #182 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:02:18 PM »

MILOS SAID 750MG OF TEST ALONE.. thats doesnt count the orals, the other injectables etc

noworries · « **Reply #183 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:27:38 PM »

Chic, now that Goodrum is on your side and fully supports (in more ways than one I'm sure), do you think you should throw in the towel now. Having that kind of support can only lead to bad things

TechnoViking · « **Reply #184 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:52:51 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on July 21, 2009, 11:52:08 AM

Ridiculous. But also sad at the same time...

Its been reported that Flex wheeler/Kevin Levrone/jay cutler have done over 100 shots a week including/synthol/the medicine/etc...

ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO PULL OFF THE RIDICULOUS STATEMENT ON A GRAM A WEEK? STFU now bro...You are an inch away from jumping the shark...A gram a week ain't shit and you know it...Don't be a Lee Priest

tbombz · « **Reply #185 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:58:09 PM »

Quote from: WillGrant on July 21, 2009, 09:57:23 PM

I think you miss the point mate , that guy could be on 25mg of winstrol or 20 grams a week it doesnt make up for the lack of potential..drugs dont mask poor genetics..

Chick is correct when he says Drugs dont make a pitbull out of a chihuahua , genetic potential must be there to begin with.

no i didnt miss the point a all.

the guy in that picture has AMAZING POTENTIAL if hes only using 25mg of winny. and the guy has ZERO POTENTIAL if hes using large doseages and various compounds.

the OP was saying that the dude in the picture was an amatuer who thought he could be pro but was stupid cuz he didnt have the genetics for it. but theres absolutey no way to know that unless you know what hes taking.

its like the guys who say phil heath has the best genetics on the planet. they dont know what hes taking... what if phil was usin 5 grams of tren 3 grams of test 40iu gh and 100iu humalog [per day for the last 5 years

what would they think of his genetics then?

hats the point.

tbombz · « **Reply #186 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:59:59 PM »

Quote from: flexingtonsteele on July 21, 2009, 09:04:38 PM

its a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

im pretty sure back in mindspins day when he was competing he hooked up some of his friends at the gym or those who were competing with a few amps of test here and there.

like stavios and others have said its pretty common to see dude at ur gym who all hang out and workout together all on drugs, and im pretty sure at one time or another they've all hooked each other up. Its part of this whole weird bodybuilding community.

im pretty sure all ifbb pros just about could be called drug dealers, because at one time or another they probably had something a buddy couldnt get a hold of and they sold them a few extra vials or pills of whatever substance.

meltdown.

^^roid dealer apologist

WillGrant · « **Reply #187 on:** July 21, 2009, 11:34:48 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 21, 2009, 10:58:09 PM

no i didnt miss the point a all.

the guy in that picture has AMAZING POTENTIAL if hes only using 25mg of winny. and the guy has ZERO POTENTIAL if hes using large doseages and various compounds.

the OP was saying that the dude in the picture was an amatuer who thought he could be pro but was stupid cuz he didnt have the genetics for it. but theres absolutey no way to know that unless you know what hes taking.

its like the guys who say phil heath has the best genetics on the planet. they dont know what hes taking... what if phil was usin 5 grams of tren 3 grams of test 40iu gh and 100iu humalog [per day for the last 5 years what would they think of his genetics then?

hats the point.

The fact of the matter is he(guy in first pic) has no potential to make it in the pro ranks and that is the point , he could be on high doses or low doses , doesnt matter and that is where genetics comes into play. / of story. Phill has potential no matter what his dose and this is what you are missing.Genetics are not dose dependent , you either have it or you dont , loading up on more drugs will not turn you into pro potential..

The only thing someone with below average genetics for bodybuilding has is keep the doses "lowish to moderate" and look "ok" or up the dose and creatae an even bigger mess.

tbombz · « **Reply #188 on:** July 21, 2009, 11:38:08 PM »

Quote from: WillGrant on July 21, 2009, 11:34:48 PM

The fact of the matter is he(guy in first pic) has no potential to make it in the pro ranks and that is the point , he could be on high doses or low doses , doesnt matter and that is where genetics comes into play. / of story. Phill has potential no matter what his dose and this is what you are missing.Genetics are not dose dependent , you either have it or you dont , loading up on more drugs will not turn you into pro potential..

The only thing someone with below average genetics for bodybuilding has is keep the doses "lowish to moderate" and look "ok" or up the dose and creatae an even bigger mess.

why do you say he doesnt have potential? if he added alot of muscle and came in ripped he could definitely be a pro.

MindSpin · « **Reply #189 on:** July 22, 2009, 12:12:37 AM »

I'm feeling really bad and did not mean to hurt Bob's feelings. If I did, I sincerely apologize. I'm sure that in real life person his a nice guy...

tbombz · « **Reply #190 on:** July 22, 2009, 12:27:58 AM »

Quote from: MindSpin on July 22, 2009, 12:12:37 AM

I'm feeling really bad and did not mean to hurt Bob's feelings. If I did, I sincerely apologize. I'm sure that in real life person his a nice guy...

meltdown

kreator · « **Reply #191 on:** July 22, 2009, 12:50:13 AM »

Quote from: MindSpin on July 21, 2009, 04:01:42 PM

Classic Meltdown rant. We should be happy Bob is here? Why? Is he some sort of messiah

i think we should, after all he's a PRO BB and he's familiar with the stuff that really goes on behind the scenes and can share that with us, oh wait.................nev ermind

Vince B · « **Reply #192 on:** July 22, 2009, 12:57:52 AM »

Bob Chick behaves in a despicable manner at times on this forum. He deserves what he gets and he gets what he deserves. He says awful things about others so bad luck if some shit hits him.

alnassak · « **Reply #193 on:** July 22, 2009, 01:44:49 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on July 21, 2009, 08:36:29 AM

Here is what I think:

at local level, bodybuilders use drugs to get the edge.

then, they see everyone use drugs so they don't get an edge at all !

so they take more drugs to compete at the state level, and they add HGH and Slin if they didn't already do it.

at state level, they realise everybody are still just as fucking good as them, so to get the edge they must use even more drugs, all the fucking time with no time off so they can be good at the national level

then at the national level, everybody use a shit ton of drugs. Everybody are kind of... the same "size".
so at this point you need luck. you need good proportions and structure, and you also need crazy conditionning so you use some guru that are very good with diuretics and carb loading.

THEN, when you get to the pros

Everyone is big
Everyone is ripped
Everyone had "good enough lines", since they got there in the first place

so what do you do ?

that's right, you take even more drugs, and you also start shooting all your lagging bodypart with synthol so you can look as perfect and big as possible.

at this point, everyone use pretty much the same thing IMO

I don't think Ronnie Coleman uses more than Dexter Jackson for example.
it's just a matter of how far their body can take it

Honest & “right to the point” post. Thanks

alnassak · « **Reply #194 on:** July 22, 2009, 01:58:26 AM »

3 grams of test a week..

hammm I remembered someone in this website has said the Ronnie Coleman had been using 10 grams of test a week. So, was this true..?

Method101 · « **Reply #195 on:** July 22, 2009, 02:04:10 AM »

Quote from: LATS on July 21, 2009, 06:04:10 PM

what a minute.. are we actually giving clout to something craig titus has said craig abused every drug known (meth, coke, and yes, gear) and still couldnt be a second tier pro.. no offense but, lets not make craig the voice of reason..

lol, what does that make chick then?

WillGrant · « **Reply #196 on:** July 22, 2009, 02:04:52 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 21, 2009, 11:38:08 PM

why do you say he doesnt have potential? if he added alot of muscle and came in ripped he could definitely be a pro.

Maybe, but not a top tier pro where the creme of the crop is , the fact of the matter is up the dose and take a huge array of other drugs plus add in calories and train you will add muscle but that in it self means sweet fuk all when you dont have the structure or shape to have "the look" that the best in the world have and thats what seperates the elite to the normal "pro"

tom joad · « **Reply #197 on:** July 22, 2009, 07:00:57 AM »

Quote from: MindSpin on July 22, 2009, 12:12:37 AM

I'm feeling really bad and did not mean to hurt Bob's feelings. If I did, I sincerely apologize. I'm sure that in real life person his a nice guy...

Looks like Mindspin was forced by Ron to openly apologize to Chic. Notice that Mindspin didn't retract his remark about Chic being a criminal. But Chic will take this tongue-in-cheek apology as meaning that Mindspin has withdrawn his accusation of Chic being a drug dealer, whereas Mindspin has done no such thing (as far as I know.) So Chic comes out of this feeling that the issue has been put to rest and his innocence and reputation have been restored . . . hahaha. Epic admission of guilt on Chic's part if he accepts this as being Mindspin's official apology and thus is content to drop the matter all together.

rocket · « **Reply #198 on:** July 22, 2009, 07:09:10 AM »

Quote from: tom joad on July 22, 2009, 07:00:57 AM

Epic admission of guilt on Chic's part if he accepts this as being Mindspin's official apology and thus is content to drop the matter all together.

As opposed to realising that internet taunts shouldn't be taken seriously, to the point of litigation?

tom joad · « **Reply #199 on:** July 22, 2009, 07:17:52 AM »

Quote from: rocket on July 22, 2009, 07:09:10 AM

As opposed to realising that internet taunts shouldn't be taken seriously, to the point of litigation?

generally speaking, sure, i agree with you, but the stakes are more meaningful when you're the athlete's rep and spokesperson for the IFBB on a popular bodybuilding board (which many folks in the industry read) and then you have a criminal allegation made against you be a moderator of the board haha.