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CroCop on Lesnar....
« on: July 21, 2009, 05:08:10 PM »
“I must point out that his victory is a defeat for the sport as such. Don’t get me wrong, Lesnar is a fearsome and very dangerous opponent, but I am old school, I prefer skill and technique. This win was a defeat of martial skills. Much of what he achieved in the fight is a result of pure power… Of course, Lesnar has quality sparring partners, is an experienced wrestler and a man who learns very quickly. But he is yet to have a real struggle. He does not have many fights in his career and I would love to see how he would react to two or three good low kicks.”
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 05:32:56 PM »
I have to agree, I would like to see him fight someone who could stand up to him pound for pound or at least evade his big ass when he advances. Lesner seems to simply overpower ppl which hey is part of fighting but like crocop seems to imply you get a guy his size out there with some skill and i think lesner probably would lose.

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 06:49:59 PM »
Maybe crocop can start a new organization, UMMAC (Ultimate Mixed Martial Arts Championship) where using power is not allowed

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 06:54:48 PM »
I agree with cro cops analysis.however you win the fight at any cost.so far Lensers pure power has bettered skill and experience.That being said I think Brock is due for a loss sooner Rather than latter.
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 07:22:17 PM »
I would love to see how he would react to two or three good low kicks.”
How many kick do you think he'd take before taking that person down?

I'm guessing 1. :D
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 07:27:06 PM »
I hate Brock Lesnar. I think he has zero martial arts skills whatsoever. I think he's an immature loud mouth who thinks he's still in the WWE. He makes the sport look bad and is the anthiesis of what someone in MMA should be.  

That being said, he is a world class wrestler,  he's huge, strong and mean.  He obviously is doing something right. He gets people excited and puts fans in the seats. He got the job done against Mir and you have to give him props for avenging his prior loss.

Cro Cop is right about one thing though- And they teach this to every single person who does martial arts ( even young kids)- Technique always triumphs over muscle. So far, Brock has fought smaller, weaker, older and physically less gifted opponents. He is 285lbs of muscle, young, hungry and in shape.  But, you can only get by on brute force for so long. Eventually he is going to gas himself out and collapse, or lose to someone with superior technique or comparable physical tools that is able to neutralize Brocks natural abilities. How he performs under those circumstances is going to demonstrate if he's for real, or if he's just another bully without the skills or heart to really solidify himself as a force in MMA.

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 08:00:09 PM »
How many kick do you think he'd take before taking that person down?

I'm guessing 1. :D

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 08:08:02 PM »
I really hope CroCop can get on track and get some impressive wins so that we're looking at CroCop Vs Lesnar sometime early next year, regardless of who wins Velasquez/Carwin vs Lesnar..

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 08:53:08 PM »
I agree with Crocop, but a win is a win. Everyone has a specialty. Brocks is strength.

Once thing is certain, if he does not evolve, someone will surely take him out.

Carwin and Fedor and possibly Lashley are the only ones I see taking him out.

I feel that Lesnar needs a good whoopin before he gets better.

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 11:53:47 PM »
I give Gonzaga a shot at taking Lesnar down a peg as well.

Randy was doing well until he miscalculated and got caught.

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 04:56:21 AM »
Size and strength does matter.................. .

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 08:23:52 AM »
I agree with Crocop, but a win is a win. Everyone has a specialty. Brocks is strength.

Once thing is certain, if he does not evolve, someone will surely take him out.


I agree. A win is a win....and Brocks strengths are his athleticism and power.

He's just maximizing them to help his game which is to win by attrition imo. Alot of guys do it and cut through guys smaller, less technically sound guys in other weight classes (sherk, alves..even hughes) .....mass up and win with attrition and aggression....it's when they meet the technically sound guy usually you see them get beaten pretty soundly.

aggression and power simply will not work on them. Need a plan B and C basically to compliment  aggressive A

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 09:12:56 AM »
When, or if, they get enough competition at higher body weight, they should really make a super heavyweight class.

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 05:50:28 PM »
Size and strength does matter.................. .

Now you remind me abou that stupid thread about the "bber vs mma"... ahaaha ... Now they will star a thread "ufc should be only for small powerless fighters"... when are these guys going to learn that size and strength are IMPORTANT... I see a lot of guys here with the "little man syndrome"... Imagine this... now they are saying that Lesnar should not use his strength  ::) he should be a "martial artis" ::) A win is a win... and in real fighting strength and size can be decisive... Hey Mindspin, what about Lesnar's excessive, useless muscle? ::)
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 12:18:20 AM »
size and strength only help lesner, they are not the all in all in deciding his recent victories. bob sapp is much stronger then lesner as far as weight lifting power is concerned, yet sapp couldnt throw people around like lesner does. lesner has mat strength, mat strength and weight lifting strength are 2 different things. all you grapplers/wrestlers know what im sayin, if brock didnt have his wrestling backround and his athletic gifts he would be another bob sapp imo
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 01:39:04 AM »
ATTENTION! Wrestling is as much a martial art as judo or BJJ.

Lesnar = world class wrestler = world class martial artist

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2009, 04:04:00 PM »
lesnar would hurt cro cop bad with gnp
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 12:53:35 PM »
ATTENTION! Wrestling is as much a martial art as judo or BJJ.

Lesnar = world class wrestler = world class martial artist
No it isn't. Wrestling is a sport.

lesnar would hurt cro cop bad with gnp
Correct. It would likely be painful to watch.
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 02:33:52 PM »
No it isn't. Wrestling is a sport.


wrestling is considered a martial art...

look it up..

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 04:06:14 PM »
wrestling is considered a martial art...

look it up..
Don't have to...
For me it is a combative sport that provides useful self defense attributes. There aren't specific techniques designed to kill or maim an opponent in wrestling.
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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 05:04:13 PM »
so whats the definition of martial arts is it only if the art is of an Asian descent or what i thought MMA had alot of boxing involved also plus wrestling so where does that come into martial arts uh? everyone is just hating because there is noone out there that has come to toe the line that is as large as him i mean WTF dont pick a fight with someone you have no way of winning all he did was take all the fancy ass moves and knocked them out of the park..... even BAD PUBLICITY is still PUBLICTY wheather you think hes a flake or not DANA WHITE is still gonna get your money and Brock is gonna get paid

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 05:53:00 PM »
so whats the definition of martial arts

the definition of "Martial" is basically to be warlike or Combat...

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2009, 04:07:20 AM »
judo is as much a sport as wrestling.....oh...no... I forgot they are wearing kimonos and it was invented by that Kano guy...an Asian.

If wearing a kimono and invented by Asians => Martial Art for sure

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2009, 11:46:58 PM »
I agree with Crocop...Its to bad a super heavyweight division wasn't created before Dana allowed Lesner to fight top heavyweights...

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Re: CroCop on Lesnar....
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2009, 03:19:16 AM »
Fuck Crocop. He should have manned up and asked for a fight with Lesnar.......oh wait he bailed and went back to Japan like the pansy assed bitch that he is.