New Jrodriguez pictures, holy shit even i doubt hes natural now

[DK II]

ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE

omg, that is some dumb post.

[Parker]

ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE

Munzer, Wheeler, Ray, Gaspari, Haney, Benazzia, Yates, Coleman, Cormier, Ruhl, Heath, Kai, Dex, etc. need I go on?

[Sir Humphrey]

ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE

You, sir, have all the brain power and intelligence of a tin of sardines. There are slimy snails in the sludge of rural Tasmania that know more about bodybuilding than you. Spare us the methane-laden farts of your vacuous brain (all four neurons of it). Thank you. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Munzer, Wheeler, Ray, Gaspari, Haney, Benazzia, Yates, Coleman, Cormier, Ruhl, Heath, Kai, Dex, etc. need I go on?

I see the guys point in that lots of drugs give a drug bloated look, regardless of striations. But what he doesn't understand is that a little Winstrol for example will not do that. It will look very "clean". There are different levels in drug use and different choices of compounds used.

Like people think that the fact that Kai Greene blew up like crazy after his muscle mania days prove he was natural back then. It doesn't mean that at all necessarily. If you go from using a touch of Winstrol and Primo to megadosing test, insulin and gh you'll grow... doesn't mean you were clean previously.

[mwbbuilder]

It doesn't mean wasn't natural either.

Both Ronnie and Kai BLEW UP after they decided to end their natural career.

Tell me ONE other IFBB pro bodybuilder who BLEW UP even close to that after 10 to 10 years of training.

Hell, just about all of them go backwards after turning pro.

[timfogarty]

Tell me ONE other IFBB pro bodybuilder who BLEW UP even close to that after 10 to 10 years of training.

every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh

[Stavios]

every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh

exactly

[noworries]

every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh

Absolutely!

[Sir Humphrey]

every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh

Tim why are you such a hater? Are your genetics really that horrible? You do not need GH, insulin, or even any steroids to blow up to 290 lbs with abs or compete at 260+. If you think otherwise, you must be a hater or just lazy in the gym. 

[njflex]

Tim why are you such a hater? Are your genetics really that horrible? You do not need GH, insulin, or even any steroids to blow up to 290 lbs with abs or compete at 260+. If you think otherwise, you must be a hater or just lazy in the gym. 

i guess as a bbing historian and as bbing progressed he just likes to pointout as it grew so did the advanced drug use thats all.

[timfogarty]

my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time.  it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques



right click for full size pic

[dr.chimps]

my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time.  it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques

right click for full size pic

Van? Is this his doctorate stuff, post-doc research, uni stuff, or just what he's into?

[timfogarty]

Van? Is this his doctorate stuff, post-doc research, uni stuff, or just what he's into?

just what he does in his spare time.  I think his thesis was about eye lens proteins.

[dr.chimps]

just what he does in his spare time.  I think his thesis was about eye lens proteins.

Thanks, t. I grew up living next to a couple, who had 4 kids, and both parents were eye surgeons. Every one of those kids sailed into an Ivy school on the full ride. Where is Mattzi when you need him?     

[big L dawg]

Tim why are you such a hater? Are your genetics really that horrible? You do not need GH, insulin, or even any steroids to blow up to 290 lbs with abs or compete at 260+. If you think otherwise, you must be a hater or just lazy in the gym. 

you don't need steroids to be 290lbs with abs?Wow!!!ok..

[Earl1972]

is insulin common among regular gym rats or is it just a competive bodybuilding thing?

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[#1 Klaus fan]

my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time.  it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques



right click for full size pic

Or they started to exaggerate their bodyweights, most likely both (drugs + exaggeration).

[timfogarty]

Or they started to exaggerate their bodyweights, most likely both (drugs + exaggeration).

the mags have always exaggerated the weight of bodybuilders

[flexingtonsteele]

the mags have always exaggerated the weight of bodybuilders

very true, i know for a fact dexter jackson has never weighed close to 235lbs onstage like the magazines say.

[#1 Klaus fan]

the mags have always exaggerated the weight of bodybuilders

It wasn't much if at all in the 70's. Arnold, Columbu, Zane for example all had believable announced bodyweights.

[timfogarty]

It wasn't much if at all in the 70's. Arnold, Columbu, Zane for example all had believable announced bodyweights.

it might seem that way now, but back then those weights were extra ordinary.   if they're exaggerating 5-10% today, they were exaggerating 5-10% 30-50 years ago.

[DK II]

i think 'natural' means 'no insulin' nowadays.

[First Blood]

my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time.  it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques



right click for full size pic

interesting...whats the number for natural elite bodybuilders?

[haider]

interesting...whats the number for natural elite bodybuilders?

the addition of modern gym equipments has definitely revolutionized muscle gayning.

[Sir Humphrey]

i think 'natural' means 'no less than 20 iu per day insulin' nowadays.