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Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« on: July 23, 2009, 12:43:19 PM »

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 12:51:00 PM »
That was honestly one of the best speeches I've heard in a long time.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 10:14:33 AM »
Reaganomics helped was responsible for starting the deregulation train for the financial sector which ultimately led to the mess we're in now.

He's definitely someone who should not be taken seriously.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 10:20:20 AM »
Reaganomics helped was responsible for starting the deregulation train for the financial sector which ultimately led to the mess we're in now.

He's definitely someone who should not be taken seriously.

Wrong. 

There are two main reasons for the break down:

1.  Repeal of Glass Steagal by Clinton

2.  Repeal the Uptick Rule. 

Look those two up. 

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2009, 10:23:28 AM »
Wrong. 

There are two main reasons for the break down:

1.  Repeal of Glass Steagal by Clinton

2.  Repeal the Uptick Rule. 

Look those two up. 

To be fair it was pushed by the Republican Congress at the time and Clinton approved it with his signature.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2009, 10:25:06 AM »
To be fair it was pushed by the Republican Congress at the time and Clinton approved it with his signature.

Agreed. 

Additionally, the purchasing of subprime loans by Fannie and Feddy fueled the insanity on wall street offering the CDS and CDO for these crap loans. 

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 11:18:26 AM »
Wrong. 

There are two main reasons for the break down:

1.  Repeal of Glass Steagal by Clinton

2.  Repeal the Uptick Rule. 

Look those two up. 
I'm already familiar with those two acts. Financial deregulation didn't become 'popular' until the Reagan era.  As I stated earlier, it set the precedence for what was to come.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 11:22:30 AM »
I'm already familiar with those two acts. Financial deregulation didn't become 'popular' until the Reagan era.  As I stated earlier, it set the precedence for what was to come.

The CRA came into existence durting Carters' term promoted heavily during clintons' term.

The govt is as much to blame as Wall Street in the melt down. 

Its was not "Deregulation", but affirmative regulations such as the CRA and the Fanny & Freddy buying these loans which made the problem far worse.  The govt created the housing bubble, not wall street.  Wall street sort of came in once the fire was started and fanned the flames that were already started.

Deregulation in terms fo repealing the Glass Steagal Act, I agree with you, but that was done by Clinton and Phil Gramm, not Regan.

 

   

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 11:24:15 AM »
The CRA came into existence durting Carters' term promoted heavily during clintons' term.

The govt is as much to blame as Wall Street in the melt down. 

Its was not "Deregulation", but affirmative regulations such as the CRA and the Fanny & Freddy buying these loans which made the problem far worse.  The govt created the housing bubble, not wall street.  Wall street sort of came in once the fire was started and fanned the flames that were already started.

Deregulation in terms fo repealing the Glass Steagal Act, I agree with you, but that was done by Clinton and Phil Gramm, not Regan.

 

   

I personally believe the Federal Reserve is behind as much of this mess as anyone.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 11:27:56 AM »
I personally believe the Federal Reserve is behind as much of this mess as anyone.

Agreed! 

Check this out: 
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ______

IBD: Carter More to Blame for Financial Crisis Than Bush or McCain
By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
September 20, 2008 - 16:29 ET 

Much as Bush-hating media members conveniently ignore historical events that led to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, their current finger-pointing at the White House, John McCain, and all Republican politicians for the collapse of the financial services industry lacks any honest assessment of decades-old legislation that laid the groundwork for today's problems.

In particular, 1977's Community Reinvestment Act which required banks and savings institutions to make loans to the lower-income areas in the communities they served.

Despite how integrally tied the current crisis is to this bill enacted by a Democrat-controlled Congress and signed into law by Jimmy Carter, no major media outlet other than Investor's Business Daily and National Review Online mentioned it during last week's market meltdown.

Going against the grain was a highly-informative editorial by IBD Thursday (emphasis added, h/t NBer Gary Hall, photo courtesy About.com):

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To hear today's Democrats, you'd think all this started in the last couple years. But the crisis began much earlier. The Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act forced banks to lend to uncreditworthy borrowers, mostly in minority areas.

Age-old standards of banking prudence got thrown out the window. In their place came harsh new regulations requiring banks not only to lend to uncreditworthy borrowers, but to do so on the basis of race.

These well-intended rules were supercharged in the early 1990s by President Clinton. Despite warnings from GOP members of Congress in 1992, Clinton pushed extensive changes to the rules requiring lenders to make questionable loans. [...]

Failure to comply meant your bank might not be allowed to expand lending, add new branches or merge with other companies. Banks were given a so-called "CRA rating" that graded how diverse their lending portfolio was. [...]

In the name of diversity, banks began making huge numbers of loans that they previously would not have. They opened branches in poor areas to lift their CRA ratings.

Meanwhile, Congress gave Fannie and Freddie the go-ahead to finance it all by buying loans from banks, then repackaging and securitizing them for resale on the open market.

That's how the contagion began.

With those changes, the subprime market took off. From a mere $35 billion in loans in 1994, it soared to $1 trillion by 2008.

Readers are strongly encouraged to review this entire fact-filled piece to not only better understand the roots of today's financial crisis, but also to get a sense as to just how absurd media accusations of this all being Bush and McCain's fault are.

That said, from 1989 through 1995, I managed branches for two savings and loans: Imperial Savings, which got taken over by the Resolution Trust Corporation during the S&L bailout, and; Great Western Bank which eventually was purchased by Washington Mutual.

The pressure to comply with CRA was astounding, especially at Great Western as it was expanding throughout the country. Its ability to acquire other institutions was directly related to its CRA rating.

With this in mind, IBD's views concerning this matter are spot on raising a very important question: if the role of news media is to inform the public, why does a LexisNexis search indicate that as this crisis came to a head last week, its connection to CRA, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton was almost completely ignored?

Would such a revelation make it difficult for Obama-loving press outlets to point fingers at George W. Bush and, more importantly, John McCain?

Yes, that's a rhetorical question.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters

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The Federal Reserve kept rates so low during the boom that it just made the bubble grow and grow and grow. 

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Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 01:00:31 PM »
dumbass, you forgot you already posted this?









































































































































































































































































































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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2009, 01:09:42 PM »
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dumbass, you forgot you already posted this?


You donated money to the Obama campaign........ and you say I am the dumbass ?



LMAO !!!!!!

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2009, 01:14:06 PM »

You donated money to the Obama campaign........ and you say I am the dumbass ?



LMAO !!!!!!


That explains why he gets so angry with me when I point out what Obama is doing.  ;D ;D

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2009, 01:15:23 PM »

You donated money to the Obama campaign........ and you say I am the dumbass ?



LMAO !!!!!!
I remember what I've already posted and I still don't want McCain so yea, I feel ok calling you a dumbass.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2009, 01:21:03 PM »
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I remember what I've already posted and I still don't want McCain so yea, I feel ok calling you a dumbass.


Lets see, you fell for the Obama "Hope and Change " bullshit,  and gave your own money to him,  and you think I am the dumbass ?   
this is too much....

keep dreaming little hugo   ::)








hey little hugo,   did you get your money's worth ?





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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2009, 01:26:19 PM »

Lets see, you fell for the Obama "Hope and Change " bullshit,  and gave your own money to him,  and you think I am the dumbass ?   
this is too much....

keep dreaming little hugo   ::)







since you couldn't even read my post which already answered this above, yea, you're an epic fucking dumbass.  What don't you get?  I STILL WOULD NOT WANT FUCKING MCCAIN YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 01:29:58 PM »
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since you couldn't even read my post which already answered this above, yea, you're an epic fucking dumbass.  What don't you get?  I STILL WOULD NOT WANT FUCKING MCCAIN YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT

Have you always been so gullible ?

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 01:34:12 PM »
Have you always been so gullible ?

you think we'd be better off with McCain and you're calling me gullible.  BWHAHAHahhahaha You're fucking delusional.  It would be no better and probably worse.  He would have passed the same stimulus shit and we'd be at war with Iran and maybe Russia.

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 01:37:52 PM »
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you think we'd be better off with McCain and you're calling me gullible.  BWHAHAHahhahaha You're fucking delusional.  It would be no better and probably worse.  He would have passed the same stimulus shit and we'd be at war with Iran and maybe Russia.


g u l l i b l e     :o

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2009, 01:41:25 PM »

g u l l i b l e     :o
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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 01:50:45 PM »
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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 01:52:54 PM »
i d i o t d o u c h e

Hugo - even you hsve to be extremely troubled by the White House secret deals with the Pharma companies.  That smacks of back room corruption at all our expense. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2009, 02:08:15 PM »
Hugo - even you hsve to be extremely troubled by the White House secret deals with the Pharma companies.  That smacks of back room corruption at all our expense. 
I'm interested in what the left has to say about that.  I couldn't care fucking any less about what you have to say on it.  LOL, like you would be for it if the deals did not happen...  Be fucking honest, you would be against it even more so save the BS!!!!!!!

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Re: Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2009, 07:30:35 PM »
I'm interested in what the left has to say about that.  I couldn't care fucking any less about what you have to say on it.  LOL, like you would be for it if the deals did not happen...  Be fucking honest, you would be against it even more so save the BS!!!!!!!

First off, you seem extremely senstive lately. 

Second, I dont favor crony capitalism like this.  The WH making deals like this is awful.