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Dos Equis · « **on:** July 24, 2009, 11:09:41 PM »

Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration in 2002 considered sending U.S. troops into a Buffalo, N.Y., suburb to arrest a group of terror suspects in what would have been a nearly unprecedented use of military power, The New York Times reported.

Vice President Dick Cheney and several other Bush advisers at the time strongly urged that the military be used to apprehend men who were suspected of plotting with al Qaida, who later became known as the Lackawanna Six, the Times reported on its Web site Friday night. It cited former administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The proposal advanced to at least one-high level administration meeting, before President George W. Bush decided against it.

Dispatching troops into the streets is virtually unheard of. The Constitution and various laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.

According to the Times, Cheney and other Bush aides said an Oct. 23, 2001, Justice Department memo gave broad presidential authority that allowed Bush to use the domestic use of the military against al-Qaida if it was justified on the grounds of national security, rather than law enforcement.

Among those arguing for the military use besides Cheney were his legal adviser David S. Addington and some senior Defense Department officials, the Times reported.

Opposing the idea were Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser; John B. Bellinger III, the top lawyer at the National Security Council; FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III; and Michael Chertoff, then the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.

Bush ultimately nixed the proposal and ordered the FBI to make the arrests in Lackawanna. The men were subsequently arrested and pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

Scott L. Silliman, a Duke University law professor specializing in national security law, told the Times that a U.S. president had not deployed the active-duty military on domestic soil in a law enforcement capacity, without specific statutory authority, since the Civil War.

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Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:04:29 AM »

240 is Back · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:23:08 AM »

didn't they get something silly like only 8 years in prison?

Hereford · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:41:19 AM »

So you guys are in support of having terrorists in Buffalo?

240 is Back · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:49:58 AM »

Quote from: Hereford on July 25, 2009, 12:41:19 AM

So you guys are in support of having terrorists in Buffalo?

of course not.

there are a lot of seriously bad ass SWAT guys that would gladly take the fvckers down.

24KT · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2009, 01:16:32 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 25, 2009, 12:49:58 AM

there are a lot of seriously bad ass SWAT guys that would gladly take the fvckers down.

Well, I for one am glad they chose to go the route they did.
That is another Bush decision I can say I commend him for.

Deploying the US military in Buffalo... so close to the Canadian border might have been seen as a very provocative act up here. Our military might have been forced to respond with a strong show of strength of their own.

Things could have gotten very nasty from there.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:03:41 AM »

Yeah all 60,000 of then could have crowed into Ralph Wilson stadium and staged a sit-in to protest.

Kazan · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:10:35 AM »

There is this thing called the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits that type of activity by the military.

drkaje · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:14:38 AM »

Fucker should have used those 200 troops to help the Bills win a Superbowl.

24KT · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:15:01 AM »

Quote from: Kazan on July 25, 2009, 08:10:35 AM

There is this thing called the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits that type of activity by the military.

There is a thing called The Constitution that prohibits all kinds of activity,
...but that hasn't stopped some folks from ignoring it either.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:32:35 AM »

Yeah socialized heathcare and cap and trade being two. But I imagine sending the 101st in to desegregate a school was an exceptable violation of the Posse Comitatus law.

Purple Aki · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2009, 11:48:30 AM »

From a British point of view, I don't see what the big deal is. We've used SF to deal with terrorists on UK soil before and it went successfully.

Anyway, didn't Clinton allow Delta to be used at Waco?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2009, 11:51:01 AM »

Bite ur tongue......

drkaje · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:11:37 PM »

200 troops to arrest 6 people?!

That's wasteful.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:38:06 PM »

I'm not sure where ur getting 200 troops...the plan never even came close to being put into play. It was a suggestion that was aired and rejected. We do this crap all the time. This is a non-story the NYT is pushing out to stir up bullshit.

Hereford · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2009, 01:47:06 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 25, 2009, 09:32:35 AM

Yeah socialized heathcare and cap and trade being two. But I imagine sending the 101st in to desegregate a school was an exceptable violation of the Posse Comitatus law.

It's ok to go around the constitution, so long as it is for an honorable liberal cause.

Kazan · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2009, 05:53:09 PM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on July 25, 2009, 09:15:01 AM

There is a thing called The Constitution that prohibits all kinds of activity,
...but that hasn't stopped some folks from ignoring it either.

Want to expand on that or just throw a commecnt out there.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2009, 05:58:05 PM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on July 25, 2009, 01:16:32 AM

Well, I for one am glad they chose to go the route they did.
That is another Bush decision I can say I commend him for.

Deploying the US military in Buffalo... so close to the Canadian border might have been seen as a very provocative act up here. Our military might have been forced to respond with a strong show of strength of their own.

Things could have gotten very nasty from there.

are you kidding, you know they wanted to do it badly.

George Whorewell · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:47:47 PM »

There was a rumor that Al Queda was going to take those wings GW loves so much as hostage. GW is passionate about his wings. I think most Americans would have applauded his efforts.

24KT · « **Reply #19 on:** July 25, 2009, 11:54:35 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 25, 2009, 05:58:05 PM

are you kidding, you know they wanted to do it badly.

Which "they" are you refering to? Cheney, or the Canadians?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2009, 12:29:15 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on July 25, 2009, 11:54:35 PM

Which "they" are you refering to? Cheney, or the Canadians?

ah fuck it, this topic is boring. Let's move on to guessing how many minutes a conventional war between Canada and the US would last.

24KT · « **Reply #21 on:** July 26, 2009, 12:45:42 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 26, 2009, 12:29:15 AM

ah fuck it, this topic is boring. Let's move on to guessing how many minutes a conventional war between Canada and the US would last.

That all depends, ...is it summer, ...or winter?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #22 on:** July 26, 2009, 12:50:18 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on July 26, 2009, 12:45:42 AM

That all depends, ...is it summer, ...or winter?

you don't really believe that do you?

24KT · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2009, 02:51:21 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 26, 2009, 12:50:18 AM

you don't really believe that do you?

Don't really believe what? I have yet to make any prediction for how long the war would last?
All I'm doing is simply asking for clarification of the factors that might affect the duration of the war.
I've made no predictions yet. Sheesh! What is with you muricans, ...always jumping to incorrect conclusions.

Is this war being fought in summer or winter?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2009, 02:55:52 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on July 26, 2009, 02:51:21 AM

Don't really believe what? I have yet to any prediction for how long the war would last?
All I'm doing is simply asking for clarification of the factors that might affect the duration of the war.
I've made no predictions yet. Sheesh! What is with you people, ...always jumping to incorrect conclusions.

Is this war being fought in summer or winter?

You said it all depends, summer or winter. I said you don't believe that do you? I'm addressing the only thing the question can, that it all depends?