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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2009, 05:47:15 AM »
Did I say Blacks can't be racist? I never said that. I know Blacks are just as capable of racism as anyone else.

What I said, is that Crowley's handling of the situatiion was stupid, ...as is your blinding bias.

When's your birthday? I'm gonna send you an Obama punching bag for your workouts?  ;D

This is where the difference between liberals and conservatives come in to play. 

Liberals live in la la dream world whereas conservatives live in the real world. 

Everyone knows you dont challenge a cop in public by calling him racist names for no good reason.  Its common sense. 

However, dreamers like yourself and TA refuse understand reality and truly believe your own clap trap. 

   

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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2009, 05:54:32 AM »

Agitating a police officer for any reason is not lawful.

what about busting kh's chops on a web forum?
I get such little pleasure... don't take that away from me.  :'(


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For whatever reason - noncompliance towards law enforcement will cause things to end badly for you.


As will making stupid punitive arrests of well connected civilians in a position to hand you your nuts.  :P

It could have been worse though, ...he could have tazed him or shot him.  ;D
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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2009, 05:56:09 AM »
This is where the difference between liberals and conservatives come in to play. 

Liberals live in la la dream world whereas conservatives live in the real world. 

Everyone knows you dont challenge a cop in public by calling him racist names for no good reason.  Its common sense. 

However, dreamers like yourself and TA refuse understand reality and truly believe your own clap trap. 


Why do you constantly insist upon ignoring simple straight forward questions posed to you?

Was he calling Sgt. Crowley racist names?
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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2009, 06:03:16 AM »
what about busting kh's chops on a web forum?
I get such little pleasure... don't take that away from me.  :'(


As will making stupid punitive arrests of well connected civilians in a position to hand you your nuts.  :P

It could have been worse though, ...he could have tazed him or shot him.  ;D

Judy,
I would never deny you of your castration rights.

You're right. It could always be worse. That’s where the debate starts – could/should things have been handled differently/better?

You make excellent points that at least they didn’t tazer the guy like the old lady who confronted the cop after being pulled over for a traffic violation.
I really don't know what the right thing would have been to do there.
Excessive force is usually left to individual interpretation.
 
But rest assured, if I shouted multiple obscenities at a cop I would be cuffed and taken in, too – I hope that’s all. ;D

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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2009, 06:04:17 AM »
Why do you constantly insist upon ignoring simple straight forward questions posed to you?

Was he calling Sgt. Crowley racist names?



Sgt. James Crowley, cop who arrested Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., denies he's racist
BY Beverly Ford In Cambridge and Rich Schapiro
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Updated Friday, July 24th 2009, 1:57 AM

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Cambridge Police Sgt. James Crowley says that he's not racist for arresting Henry Louis Gates, citing the CPR he gave the Celtics star Reggie Lewis (below) as proof.

The white cop under fire for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. blasted President Obama Thursday, saying he was "way off base" for accusing police of stupidity.

A defiant Cambridge, Mass., Sgt. James Crowley refused to apologize for the collar a day after Obama defended his Harvard professor pal in a prime-time news conference.

"I think he was way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts," Crowley, 42, who teaches a course on racial profiling to police academy students, told Boston radio station WBZ-AM.

"I acted appropriately. I've done nothing wrong."

Later in the day, Obama's spokesman Robert Gibbs tried to walk back the President's comments that "the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting" Gates.

Gibbs told reporters aboard Air Force One, "Let me be clear; he was not calling the officer stupid."

Gibbs said Obama felt that when it became clear that Gates was not a burglary suspect, "cooler heads on all sides should have prevailed."

Gates said he understands why Obama used the word.

"I think that the circumstances are so egregious that it was the adjective that ... logically popped into his head," Gates said Thursday on "The Gayle King Show" on Sirius radio.

"People ... are looking for something that I could have done to justify Sgt. Crowley's actions. There's nothing that I could have done to justify Sgt. Crowley's action," he said.

Speaking for the first time since the ugly incident, Cambridge Police Chief Robert Haas said he was "deeply pained" by the President's comments.

"We take deep personal pride in this agency," Haas said. "We don't have the reputation that we have been painted with."

Crowley, an 11-year veteran of the Cambridge Police Department, responded to a reported break-in at the renowned scholar's home last Thursday.

A neighbor reported seeing two black men break into the professor's home. She was unaware the man forcing his way inside was Gates, who had locked himself out.

When Crowley arrived, he told an incensed Gates he was investigating a report of a break-in and asked for his identification

"Why? Because I'm a black man in America," Gates responded, the police report says.

Gates initially refused to hand over his ID, instead angrily accusing the officer of being a racist and "leveling threats that he wasn't someone to mess with," the report says.

After Gates produced his Harvard University ID, he repeatedly demanded Crowley state his name, which the officer claims he had already done.

Crowley said Gates continued hurling insults at him as he left the home. Crowley arrested the scholar for disorderly conduct. The charge was later dropped.

"He was arrested after following me outside the house, continuing the tirade even after being warned multiple times - probably a few more times than the average person would," Crowley told the radio station.

Gates demanded Crowley apologize.

rschapiro@nydailynews.com



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/23/2009-07-23_sgt_james_crowley_cop_who_arrested_henry_louis_gates_denies_hes_a_racist.html#ixzz0MSo9f7M5

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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2009, 06:09:39 AM »
As will making stupid punitive arrests of well connected civilians in a position to hand you your nuts.  :P

Jag,
One more thing, though - and I’ll ask you to clarify your statement first.

It’s advisable to pick your fights wisely in the political arena.
But are you suggesting (above) that well-connected civilians should be excused from/above the law because of their clout? ???

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« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2009, 06:13:51 AM »
Jag,
One more thing, though - and I’ll ask you to clarify your statement first.

It’s advisable to pick your fights wisely in the political arena.
But are you suggesting (above) that well-connected civilians should be excused from/above the law because of their clout? ???


Not suggesting anything of the kind, ...but like I've said before, ...you gotta know when to pick your battles.
Gates wasn't breaking the law, ...and cops are not absolved from using just plain common sense. Hindsight is 20/20
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« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2009, 06:22:32 AM »
Not suggesting anything of the kind, ...but like I've said before, ...you gotta know when to pick your battles.
Gates wasn't breaking the law, ...and cops are not absolved from using just plain common sense. Hindsight is 20/20

Yeah,Im the one who needs a mental evaluation,you defend the minority no matter what the circumstances.Its a joke.Like I said,the tapes will be released soon,then we will see fools like you and Obama/wright EXPOSED AS THE SILLY RABBLE ROUSERS YOU ARE.

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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2009, 06:27:43 AM »
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"He was arrested after following me outside the house, continuing the tirade even after being warned multiple times - probably a few more times than the average person would," Crowley told the radio station.

...you gotta know when to pick your battles.
Gates wasn't breaking the law, ...and cops are not absolved from using just plain common sense. Hindsight is 20/20


Maybe Gates should have picked his battle better.
If you want to prove a point, don’t follow a police officer to his car while shouting obscenities.
LE considers that disorderly conduct.

Gates could have written a book, gotten magazine/radio/TV interviews…things from which he could have profited much more than the exposure he’s currently enjoying (or not).

Choosing more civilized and PC media would’ve made him look better and the police look worse.

O’s initial comments haven’t exactly helped either.
As I mentioned before, original proclamations mean a lot and are seldom forgotten.


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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2009, 06:30:00 AM »
Yeah,Im the one who needs a mental evaluation,

Congratulations! Recognizing you have a problem is alway the first step.  :)

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you defend the minority no matter what the circumstances.Its a joke.Like I said,the tapes will be released soon,then we will see fools like you and Obama/wright EXPOSED AS THE SILLY RABBLE ROUSERS YOU ARE.



Ya know Billy, somtimes you confound me, ...sometimes you just make me laugh.
Thanks for facilitating my starting my day with a good laugh!

As an aside though, ...if all these racist rants you and 333386 have been captured on yet to be released tapes,
...how do any of you know what was said? Did you gleen this knowledge from osmosis, ESP, ...out your derriere?
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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2009, 06:37:14 AM »
Where is my racist rant? 

The only racists in this are Obama and Gates.

 

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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2009, 06:40:16 AM »


Maybe Gates should have picked his battle better.
If you want to prove a point, don’t follow a police officer to his car while shouting obscenities.
LE considers that disorderly conduct.

Gates could have written a book, gotten magazine/radio/TV interviews…things from which he could have profited much more than the exposure he’s currently enjoying (or not).

Choosing more civilized and PC media would’ve made him look better and the police look worse.

O’s initial comments haven’t exactly helped either.
As I mentioned before, original proclamations mean a lot and are seldom forgotten.


As far as I'm concerned, it is the Cambridge PD that has the PR nightmare on it's hands.

Do you think that if Gates made the allegations that Crowley suspected him of being a burglar because he was a racist, that ANYONE would be talking about it. Do you think any talk show host would invite him as a guest? They would take one look at the facts... possible breakin in progress called in, ...and dismiss Gates and his allegations as a nutcase.

The fact that he was arrested however, adds a new dynamic. An arrest whose authority to effect rested solely in Sgt. Crowley's hands. Had Crowley not arrested him, he wouldn't have his platform. It's the fact that he was arrested that has everyone saying "wtf? What's up with that?" So now people want to know more when they would've otherwise dismissed it from their minds.
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« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2009, 06:46:32 AM »

Maybe Gates should have picked his battle better.
If you want to prove a point, don’t follow a police officer to his car while shouting obscenities.
LE considers that disorderly conduct.

If Gates is the race-baiting ranting dramaqueen some here have alleged him to be,
...it stands to reason he picked his battle very well wouldn't ya say? Look at the shitstorm!  ;D
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« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2009, 06:54:50 AM »
If Gates is the race-baiting ranting dramaqueen some here have alleged him to be,
...it stands to reason he picked his battle very well wouldn't ya say? Look at the shitstorm!  ;D

The shitstorm is against Obama for opening his dumb mouth.  The man is a fool.

However, his comment about doctors taking out tonsils for $$$ was even worse IMHO.  The man is a complete jackass.   


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« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2009, 07:00:44 AM »
I heard today that the caller did not mention the suspected burgler's race in the initial 911 call.

Gates clearly made this whole situation about race, then the media added gas to his fire.

All of the police investigators, the commissioner and the police union reviewed the facts in the case and side with Crowley.  In fact, Obama is facing significant criticizm from police groups around the country.  It isn't a clear cut case, but all of the officers and the bystanders have commented on Gates making a significant public disturbance and apparently he wouldn't calm down.  An arrest is one way to diffuse the situation when someone refuses to calm down and comply with reasonable police requests.

jag, I agree about the title of the article, the media continues to push race stories as they get a lot of attention.  I think the media is much to blame for escalating this incident.  They keep saying we need to talk more on race but they are polarizing the situation IMO.  The best way to deal with race is to let people blend naturally and stop putting people in categories against each other. 

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« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2009, 07:03:10 AM »
The shitstorm is against Obama for opening his dumb mouth.  The man is a fool.

However, his comment about doctors taking out tonsils for $$$ was even worse IMHO.  The man is a complete jackass.   


{giggle} Ya know, ...I can remember a time when Obama was embroiled in/dragged into another issue about race.
People thought it would finish him, ...but he ended up making an historic speech that is sure to go down in history as one of the Greatest Speeches in America. I have a feeling, he's got another slam dunk waiting.

For the sake of argument, I'll grant you your delusion, ...and agree that Obama is a fool. OK, he's a fool.

...but did racism cause a secret service agent to complain?
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« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2009, 07:04:52 AM »
"If Gates is the race-baiting ranting dramaqueen some here have alleged him to be,
...it stands to reason he picked his battle very well wouldn't ya say? Look at the shitstorm
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I don't know Jag, I think there is a lot of backlash to Gates on this one because of how he handled himself.  What most people are debating is should he have been arrested, having gotten multiple warnings but being on his own property.  Few are debating Gate's behavior...that has been perceived as overwhelmingly unacceptible.

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« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2009, 07:09:00 AM »
I heard today that the caller did not mention the suspected burgler's race in the initial 911 call.

Gates clearly made this whole situation about race, then the media added gas to his fire.

All of the police investigators, the commissioner and the police union reviewed the facts in the case and side with Crowley.  In fact, Obama is facing significant criticizm from police groups around the country.  It isn't a clear cut case, but all of the officers and the bystanders have commented on Gates making a significant public disturbance and apparently he wouldn't calm down.  An arrest is one way to diffuse the situation when someone refuses to calm down and comply with reasonable police requests.

jag, I agree about the title of the article but the media continues to push race stories as they get a lot of attention.  I think the media is much to blame for escalating this incident.  They keep saying we need to talk more on race but they are polarizing the situation IMO.  The best way to deal with race is to let people blend naturally and stop putting people in categories against each other. 

Hey Shoot - what about our brilliant HARVARD LAWYER PRESIDENT asccusing docs of taking tonsils out of kids throuats for $$$.  The jackass is so clueless as to not realize that the doc who refers the kid to get their tonsils out is not the one who performs the damn procedure!

How dumb does it get?  

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« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2009, 07:13:41 AM »

 I think the media is much to blame for escalating this incident.  They keep saying we need to talk more on race but they are polarizing the situation IMO.  The best way to deal with race is to let people blend naturally and stop putting people in categories against each other. 

Great point!!

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« Reply #69 on: July 27, 2009, 07:16:37 AM »
Great point!!

The Race Pimps will never let that happen. 

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« Reply #70 on: July 27, 2009, 08:08:07 AM »
I'm not into hypotheticals. Reverse the situation EXACTLY and this doesn't make front page news. That's a fucking fact. The only reason this is a big deal is because it happened to some distinguished BLACK professor.

A reverse situation wouldn't make news and if that dude weren't hooked up no one else would give a fuck.

I was repeatedly harassed by the police as a kid/young adult. Fitting the profile (tall and black) always made for a lot of conversations with the police. Even grew up with a dude local police hung in the cell.

We need the police and I have no problem with them. That being said, I don't know how many times you've been pulled over 'just because'.

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« Reply #71 on: July 27, 2009, 08:48:07 AM »
"If Gates is the race-baiting ranting dramaqueen some here have alleged him to be,
...it stands to reason he picked his battle very well wouldn't ya say? Look at the shitstorm
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I don't know Jag, I think there is a lot of backlash to Gates on this one because of how he handled himself.  What most people are debating is should he have been arrested, having gotten multiple warnings but being on his own property.  Few are debating Gate's behavior...that has been perceived as overwhelmingly unacceptible.

That seems to be the consensus of many, and the point I was getting at.
His behavior is drawing him attention, but not the best kind - particularly for arguing his case.

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Re: HARVARD Black scholar agrees to beer with OBAMA and POLICEMAN
« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2009, 08:52:47 AM »
ha ha ha,,,,this is working out perfectly as planned straight from obama himself "this is an distraction for what is gonna happen soon",,,,,bookmark this thread you will soon seen

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« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2009, 08:57:48 AM »
ha ha ha,,,,this is working out perfectly as planned straight from obama himself "this is an distraction for what is gonna happen soon",,,,,bookmark this thread you will soon seen

Why:

Is there another CZAR to be appointed?
Another bailout of a wall street firm associated with Goldman Sachs?
Another industry takeover?
His real BC is coming out? 
He will propose amnesty for illegal aliens? 
Death Care will be swept under the rug?   
He will keept he report on the economy silent for longer? 


What gem is he hiding we already dont know about?   
JackAss-in-Chief would not surprise me with anything at this point. 

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« Reply #74 on: July 27, 2009, 09:50:11 AM »
Do you believe a non-minority guy would have been arrested?
Yes, a non-minority guy would have been arrested for causing disorderly conduct as well. Hope that helps.