Gates has played the "race card" his whole life.

[Soul Crusher]

Arrested Harvard Prof Has 'Stupidly' Played the Race Card His Whole Life ( "race hustler" )
humanevents.com ^ | 07/27/2009 | Jack Thompson

Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:42:28 AM by kellynla

In 1990 I served the federal court here in South Florida as amicus curiae (friend of the court) in the obscenity trial that determined Miami rap group 2 Live Crew’s album As Nasty As They Wanna Be was obscene and thus not protected by the First Amendment.

The verdict -- the first in world history that a sound recording was obscene -- was handed down by Jose A. Gonzalez, Jr., a liberal judge appointed by President Carter and who was hailed for his civil rights record by the ACLU and the rap group’s lawyer when the case was assigned to him.

Any successful effort to have the album declared not obscene had to rely upon the testimony of an expert brought in by the ACLU and the rap group’s lawyer. The expert’s name was Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., the Harvard professor arrested this week in Cambridge, Mass., by police officers who President Obama last week at his press conference said, “acted stupidly.” Obama said this after he first said he didn't have all the facts. Does this make you wonder what else he is giving opinions on without "all the facts?"

With Gates’ shouted and now repeated assertions that the officer who arrested him is a “racist,” and the President's ignorant assertion that Gates, whom Obama knows, is a victim of “racial profiling,” what you the reader need to know is that the only racist in this situation is most likely Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. I should know.

At the 2 Live Crew trial, Gates testified that the rap album which describes gleefully the raping and beating of black women was on a par with the art found in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales. The editorial policies of HUMAN EVENTS appropriately prevent me from sharing with you the sordid lyrics from that album, but I can tell you that when I appeared on Phil Donohue’s national television program with 2 Live Crew, one of the guests uttered just one line of the lyrics and the broadcast was immediately terminated all along the Eastern seaboard where it was airing live. This was art? Apparently the liberal network we were on didn’t think so.

At the trial, Gates explained to Judge Gonzalez that whites simply cannot comprehend the beauty and worth of such black art. He swore that the concerns about selling this pornographic album to adults and kids alike stemmed from white racism. Look online at Gates’ bio. His entire career is built upon the premise that whites are most likely racists and blacks are nearly always victims of those white racists. This guy plays the race card from a deck of 52 race cards.

You maybe had to be there at the trial to believe what you were hearing -- or maybe not. Judge Gonzalez found the race-centric testimony of Professor Gates to be utterly unbelievable and absurd, and he indicated just that in his 62-page opinion.

After the verdict, the NAACP’s Dr. Benjamin Hooks weighed in on the controversy and rebutted with one sentence everything Professor Gates has built a career upon: “2 Live Crew apparently doesn’t understand that celebrating the raping of black women is not entertainment, and it is not art.” The vast majority of the phone calls and letters I got thanking me for my efforts in getting this album declared obscene were from African American parents, and one call I shall never forget was from a teenaged black girl whose friend was raped by a gang who played the album on their boom box during the rape.

So, as you behold the unfolding of this controversy that now has trapped the White House, and you hear Professor Gates’ and his surrogates’ charges that white racism is why he was arrested, take this word of advice from someone who saw this academic weirdo close up: Consider the source.

[tonymctones]

Not suprised, I saw jags post in another thread saying that if he had never been arrested then nobody would be talking about race at all. Which is complete and utter bullshit you can be sure this jack ass would be in his class ranting and raving about his run in with crowley.

[Soul Crusher]

Not suprised, I saw jags post in another thread saying that if he had never been arrested then nobody would be talking about race at all. Which is complete and utter bullshit you can be sure this jack ass would be in his class ranting and raving about his run in with crowley.

Holder was right - we need a true debate on race. 

[BM OUT]

Shocking that Obama would be friends with such a guy.Do we see a trend here yet?

[tonymctones]

Holder was right - we need a true debate on race. 

i would welcome one but the fact is we cant have a "true" debate b/c the majority of African Americans cannot take responsibility and own up to their actions etc...and the majority of whites cannot believe that racism is still prevelant in todays society...

[BM OUT]

i would welcome one but the fact is we cant have a "true" debate b/c the majority of African Americans cannot take responsibility and own up to their actions etc...and the majority of whites cannot believe that racism is still prevelant in todays society...

I dont agree.Whites know there is REAL racism in the country.The disparity in schools is just one.However,MOST WHITES dont think Don Imus or a cop arresting some loud mouth racist rises to a level of racism.It might be annoying stupidity,but its not racism,its not important and it means NOTHING to any black or whites life,yet ,you would think issues like Imus are the reason that blacks are suffering more unemployment then whites.

So,often,because there are so many cries of 'racism" whites become hardened to the real racism that exists.Its not that we dont see it,we just tend to say "who cares,they think EVERYTHING is racism".

[drkaje]

An honest discussion on race is impossible.

[Soul Crusher]

An honest discussion on race is impossible.

No kidding.  Look at what happened to Bill Cosby.   

[drkaje]

No kidding.  Look at what happened to Bill Cosby.   

Racism exists in all cultures. I really don't believe that needs discussing. People do feel more comfortable around others they feel some commonality with. Some of that commonality being based upon looks makes sense but people should dig a little deeper and see who they're dealing with as a person.

I do believe we need to be more honest about the extent to which prejudice may affect our decisions.

We've come a point where discussing race is impossible without being called a racist.

[Soul Crusher]

Racism exists in all cultures. I really don't believe that needs discussing. People do feel more comfortable around others they feel some commonality with. Some of that commonality being based upon looks makes sense but people should dig a little deeper and see who they're dealing with as a person.

I do believe we need to be more honest about the extent to which prejudice may affect our decisions.

We've come a point where discussing race is impossible without being called a racist.

There are good people and scumbags in every race. 

We need to focus on the individual, not the race. 

People need to be accountable for their individual actions and results, not the collectrive of the race they were born to. 

[tonymctones]

I dont agree.Whites know there is REAL racism in the country.The disparity in schools is just one.However,MOST WHITES dont think Don Imus or a cop arresting some loud mouth racist rises to a level of racism.It might be annoying stupidity,but its not racism,its not important and it means NOTHING to any black or whites life,yet ,you would think issues like Imus are the reason that blacks are suffering more unemployment then whites.

So,often,because there are so many cries of 'racism" whites become hardened to the real racism that exists.Its not that we dont see it,we just tend to say "who cares,they think EVERYTHING is racism".

agreed, but i garuntee you the majority of whites dont understand exactly how prevelant racism is even in their own lives much less the lives of those who suffer from the racism. Trust bro, im half japanese and half white most whites think im asian and most asians think im white racism is still very much alive and kicking in this country and i definitly see your point and alot of the BS ppl try to say is racism isnt really racism.

[Al Doggity]

Holder was right - we need a true debate on race. 

What do you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish?  People debate here everyday and a debate on race would follow the same trajectory. Everyone would come to the table with their own preconceived notions and use a bunch of anecdotal evidence to support them. There have been a bunch of race discussions here over the years and the final few pages always devolve into some pretty outrageous statements defended as "hard truths" that may sound politically incorrect but need to be said.

[Soul Crusher]

What do you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish?  People debate here everyday and a debate on race would follow the same trajectory. Everyone would come to the table with their own preconceived notions and use a bunch of anecdotal evidence to support them. There have been a bunch of race discussions here over the years and the final few pages always devolve into some pretty outrageous statements defended as "hard truths" that may sound politically incorrect but need to be said.

The hard truths to me are as follows:

1.  Life is hard and sucks for most people regardless of race.
2.  Blacks got screwed royally in our history and most young black kids are born into really screwed up conditions. 
3.  Lack of education and poor choices are far more important to a persons' lot in life than white racism.
4.  Most schools in minority areas suck. 
5.  Working class whites are not much better off than working class blacks. 
6.  Many blacks are held down by their own prejudices and self limitations.
7.  Black popular culture promotes piss poor examples of what most young people should aspire to (Thug Life, etc).
8.  Most liberal whites are far more racist than redneck whites.
9.  Blacks, and anyone else for that matter, will only succeed like other groups when they stop looking to the govt and democrat party for $$$$.
10.  Govt programs do far more harm than help and promote a culture of poverty and dependency. 
11.  Many whites are far more racist in private than in public.
12.  Many blacks are far more racist in private than in public.
13.  Blacks commit far more violent crime than other groups, mostly on each other.
14.  Race and Poverty pimps like Rev. al and Jesse promote a plantation mentality in too many people. 
15.  Most, if not all, whites do not realize what burdens black people have to deal with day to day. 
16.  True economic equality and improvement will take generations, not a few years. 
17.  Black males need tough black fathers, not overweight mammas with ten kids from 9 men. 
18.  Illegal aliens are the enemy of the minority trying to get work, not the friend.
19.  No one is born wanting to be a gangsta.
20.  The white liberal media promotes negative stereotypes of blacks  for $$$.

These are just some off the top of my head.     
 
           

[Al Doggity]

Some of those I agree with, some I don't. There's nothing particularly controversial about most of that list. The rest is just difference of opinion.

Where it would get controversial is if the discussion turned to the actual causes and extent of some of these issues.

[Soul Crusher]

Some of those I agree with, some I don't. There's nothing particularly controversial about most of that list. The rest is just difference of opinion.

Where it would get controversial is if the discussion turned to the actual causes and extent of some of these issues.

To me, focusing on past causes is often where progress breaks down. 

Look at the military and boot camp.  It does not matter what color you are, at 5 am your ass is waking up and doing pt, etc.  Race has nothing to do with hopping over the wall or hitting the target with the rifle.   

Thats what im talking about.  Get the job done and dont focus on past greievances. 

[Al Doggity]

I don't totally agree with that, but it does make me even more curious as to what you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish.

[Soul Crusher]

I don't totally agree with that, but it does make me even more curious as to what you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish.

Focusing on past grievances is usually what stops progress and where the resentment becomes built in.  Why work and bust your ass when you think Whitey will keep you down regardless? 

Look at immigrants to this country from Africa and the West Indies.  Why is it that they succeed faster than domestic blacks? 

I'll tell you, they dont harbor the resentments and grievances and focus of productiver things, by and large of course.  Also, most I have met dont seek govt jobs and welfare.

Someone needs to tell it like it is.  Otherwise, you are going to have another cylce of welfare dependency, and grievance.

     

[Al Doggity]

Focusing on past grievances is usually what stops progress and where the resentment becomes built in.  Why work and bust your ass when you think Whitey will keep you down regardless? 

Look at immigrants to this country from Africa and the West Indies.  Why is it that they succeed faster than domestic blacks? 

I'll tell you, they dont harbor the resentments and grievances and focus of productiver things, by and large of course.  Also, most I have met dont seek govt jobs and welfare.


     

This is what I meant when I said we would differ when it came to the actual causes and extent of these issues.

Someone needs to tell it like it is.  Otherwise, you are going to have another cylce of welfare dependency, and grievance.

And this is what I meant when I said a "true" race debate would  be like all of the other debates on this board, a bunch of guys coming to the table arguing their preconceived notions.

[Matt C]

There are good people and scumbags in every race. 

We need to focus on the individual, not the race. 

People need to be accountable for their individual actions and results, not the collectrive of the race they were born to. 

I like your posts so far, but by this logic, people with Down syndrome should be looked at as unique individuals rather than broadly looking at statistical trends and acknowledging those trends to determine how to relate to them.

Perhaps I should drive down the highway at twice the speed limit and assume that since certain individuals did not die while doing so, that I can then ignore the broad statistical trends.

Why not take your standard to its logical conclusion?

[tonymctones]

what needs to happen is a conversation, not a debate...sorry doggity what 3333 wrote is true and while it certainly doesnt apply to alot of AA it does certainly apply to a good number of them. It also need to be understood by everybody that racism is prevelant in all our lives even those that dont believe that are racist probably do perform racist acts without realizing they are...like kaje said ppl like things that remind them of themselves and they have more in common with, so whites tend to hang with whites, blacks with blacks ever realize this? While on the surface this may seem a no brainer the reasoning behind it isnt and is on some level based on racism...I have a unique perspective being half and half and hanging with both asians and whites as well as just about every other race...Ive been called chink and cracker in different situations.

Racism in todays society isnt overt its very subtle and like I said at times looked at as normal behavior, that being said there will always be racism so ppl need to learn to deal with it and overcome it instead of using it as a crutch or reason to underachieve.

[Matt C]

agreed, but i garuntee you the majority of whites dont understand exactly how prevelant racism is even in their own lives much less the lives of those who suffer from the racism. Trust bro, im half japanese and half white most whites think im asian and most asians think im white racism is still very much alive and kicking in this country and i definitly see your point and alot of the BS ppl try to say is racism isnt really racism.

DING DING DING.  We have a winner.  

The same goes for Mulattoes like Obama.  Mulattoes are considered black by white people and white by black people and experience much more racism as a result.  Yet their average IQ is exactly in the middle between black and white, exactly as genetic theory predicts.

[Al Doggity]

sorry doggity what 3333 wrote is true

Gee, thanks for letting me know. Now, I guess I have no choice but to agree with it

so whites tend to hang with whites, blacks with blacks ever realize this? While on the surface this may seem a no brainer the reasoning behind it isnt and is on some level based on racism

This isn't racism. Yes, people do tend to have friends with the same skin color, but our friends also tend to dress like us, speak in a similar manner and have like backgrounds. If you see a group of young guys in New York, they are all likely to be dressed in the same way- whether it be prep/jock, alt-hip hop or emo- and use the same type of slang. There are exceptions, but these types of commonalities don't typically transcend race. Additionally, these types of commonalities aren't solely due to race. There are a lot of black guys at my gym, but when I joined I could immediately tell which "clique" I was going to be a part of. I didn't make any special effort to start a conversation with these guys, but just based on superficial stuff like their ages, the way they were dressed and their general fitness level, it seemed sort of inevitable that we would start hanging out. For the record, "the crew" consists of two white guys, three black guys- all similar professions, similar backgrounds, etc.

As for the rest of your post, I will just say that your ideas on race don't appear to be  all that well thought-out. Your last post was very contradictory. Yet, you seem to be pretty adamant about what you believe. This is why I think any conversation or debate about race would just be a clusterfuck. It wouldn't be about trying to figure anything out. At best, it would just be saying what you've always felt, not coming to any realizations or understandings and, possibly, a little gratification when someone qft's you.

[GigantorX]

I don't totally agree with that, but it does make me even more curious as to what you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish.

What issues, exactly, would that "true" debate on race accomplish?

Like you said, it really wouldn't figure much as most people have deep rooted notions and most likely won't change them. We've played this song far to many times on this board and the result is usually the same.

It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.

[24KT]

What issues, exactly, would that "true" debate on race accomplish?

Like you said, it really wouldn't figure much as most people have deep rooted notions and most likely won't change them. We've played this song far to many times on this board and the result is usually the same.

It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.

If we're going to drown them, ...can we waterboard them first? Just a peeny little bit?

[Cap]

What issues, exactly, would that "true" debate on race accomplish?

Like you said, it really wouldn't figure much as most people have deep rooted notions and most likely won't change them. We've played this song far to many times on this board and the result is usually the same.

It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.

Bingo.  Constantly dwelling on race makes it harder to move forward cooperatively.