Gates has played the "race card" his whole life.

[Soul Crusher]

Even if the cop is an asshole..... STFU and take your chances in court.

Professor, doctor, lawyer, baker or candle stick maker your still black and have to admit how shit really is. I'll go a step further and say professionals have more worries when it comes to dealing with cops because there's something being arrested, beaten or whatever can take away.

Exactly.  People have professional licesnes to consider as well. 

Gates is a jackass.  He just should have said, thank you officer for responsing, sorry for the mishap.   

[drkaje]

Exactly.  People have professional licesnes to consider as well. 

Gates is a jackass.  He just should have said, thank you officer for responsing, sorry for the mishap.   

This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.

[Soul Crusher]

This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.

Or call the police and tell them he locked himself out of his own home. 

[Al Doggity]

I showed your point to be nothing more then a liberal talking point you refused to answer any of my questions towards that end b/c you know it shows your point to be a fallacy...

How do you think you did that? All you did was repeat a post that I had already responded to. And you were wrong. If you want a response to that post, just read the post I made prior to it. All of the relevant info is there.

This is what a conversation is........by your logic anytime ppl have differing views on a subject they shouldnt even talk about it, just plain idiocy.

No, you once again are failing to misunderstand something I wrote that was perfectly clear. I'm sure you must have noticed that I post on this board pretty frequently, so obviously I'm not opposed to conversation or debate. What I did dispute was the notion that a conversation on race would be between open minds and that there was any possibility of it accomplishing anything aside from taking up server space.

I agree its a complicated question, the fact though that the racist label is thrown around so easily and without care does apply in the vast majority of cases to blacks...Is it perhaps the media and the bullshit PC era we are in perhaps but it still results in blacks being far more sensitive to race then any other race.

The question isn't complicated, the answer is. Do you disagree with this statement: "Historically, blacks have been subjected to more racism than any other ethnic group in America"?

 

[The ChemistV2]

I'm actually amazed that cops aren't even more racist than they are. When you're a cop, (and I know several here in west palm beach florida), everyday you see an overwhelming majority of blacks: killing each other over "being dissed", "Being on my turf", over drugs, robbing people, car-jacking people, raping people. This is what they deal with every day..in any area that has a sizable black population. Not long ago, in the newspaper here, some black teen threw his 6 month year old kid out of his car while going 80 miles an hour. When they asked him why, he said "He wouldn't stop his dumb-ass crying so I threw him out." No remorse..no comprehension of the savagery.. But any mention of these facts apparently means you're a racist. One nowadays has to observe these things but somehow pretend they don't exist....You can not mention that blacks have the highest teen pregnancy rates, have the highest number of children born with no fathers, have the highest number of new AIDS cases..Bring up any of that and you're a racist.

[Al Doggity]

Even if the cop is an asshole..... STFU and take your chances in court.

Professor, doctor, lawyer, baker or candle stick maker your still black and have to admit how shit really is. I'll go a step further and say professionals have more worries when it comes to dealing with cops because there's something being arrested, beaten or whatever can take away.

Except, he hadn't committed a crime, so he wasn't courtbound. Mouthing off to a cop isn't illegal. Even if the DA had pursued this case, it likely would have been decided in Gates' favor, if it wasn't thrown out of court.

This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.

It wasn't his neighbors who called the police. It was a woman who was walking by. And he didn't break into the house. He entered through the back door because the front door key jammed. The cab driver helped him unjam the door.

[GigantorX]

This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.

His neighbors are probably white so that means they are racist slaveholders.

[tonymctones]

How do you think you did that? All you did was repeat a post that I had already responded to. And you were wrong. If you want a response to that post, just read the post I made prior to it. All of the relevant info is there.
No, you once again are failing to misunderstand something I wrote that was perfectly clear. I'm sure you must have noticed that I post on this board pretty frequently, so obviously I'm not opposed to conversation or debate. What I did dispute was the notion that a conversation on race would be between open minds and that there was any possibility of it accomplishing anything aside from taking up server space.
 The question isn't complicated, the answer is. Do you disagree with this statement: "Historically, blacks have been subjected to more racism than any other ethnic group in America"?

 

goodness gracious you side stepping an issue doesnt equate to an answer...

perhaps you should take a logic class if you believe that ppl have preconcieved notions and a conversation wont accomplish anything other then ppl trying to argue their preconcieved notion that logic can be applied to other situations in which you should also LOGICALLY feel that having a conversation is futile...dig it?

I would agree that blacks have recieved a large amount native americans have has well asian americans and mexican americans have as well, black more so then other with the exception of perhaps native americans...

Problem is you cant continue to use that as a crutch the vast majority of blacks 30yrs old or younger werent around for any of that and yet you still see the same line of thought with them, why? Things arent like they were 50-100 yrs ago yet you wouldnt know it by talking to some ppl, why?

[drkaje]

Except, he hadn't committed a crime, so he wasn't courtbound. Mouthing off to a cop isn't illegal. Even if the DA had pursued this case, it likely would have been decided in Gates' favor, if it wasn't thrown out of court.


It wasn't his neighbors who called the police. It was a woman who was walking by. And he didn't break into the house. He entered through the back door because the front door key jammed. The cab driver helped him unjam the door.

My experience is that interacting with the police does not require committing a crime.

[Al Doggity]

goodness gracious you side stepping an issue doesnt equate to an answer...

I didn't sidestep any question. What do you think I didn't answer?

perhaps you should take a logic class if you believe that ppl have preconcieved notions and a conversation wont accomplish anything other then ppl trying to argue their preconcieved notion that logic can be applied to other situations in which you should also LOGICALLY feel that having a conversation is futile...dig it?

You are still only hearing what you want to hear.I never said that conversations were futile. I said that a debate on this subject, in the venue would be.  There have been countless threads about race here, and they all go exactly the same way.

I would agree that blacks have recieved a large amount native americans have has well asian americans and mexican americans have as well, black more so then other with the exception of perhaps native americans...

Problem is you cant continue to use that as a crutch the vast majority of blacks 30yrs old or younger werent around for any of that and yet you still see the same line of thought with them, why? Things arent like they were 50-100 yrs ago yet you wouldnt know it by talking to some ppl, why?

Blacks have been the victims of more institutionalized and individualized racism than any other group in America's history, plain and simple. Yes, there have been other groups that have had issues, but there really is no comparison. The civil rights era was is full bloom about half a century ago. That's barely a generation. That followed, literally, hundreds of years of oppression. Racism doesn't disappear overnight and progress doesn't erase history.

Couple that with the fact that blacks are the largest minority group in America and there you go. You dig?

[Al Doggity]

My experience is that interacting with the police does not require committing a crime.

My point is that he wasn't going to see that cop in court.  If he was gonna wil' out, then was the time to do it.

[dkf360]

I didn't sidestep any question. What do you think I didn't answer?
You are still only hearing what you want to hear.I never said that conversations were futile. I said that a debate on this subject, in the venue would be.  There have been countless threads about race here, and they all go exactly the same way.



Blacks have been the victims of more institutionalized and individualized racism than any other group in America's history, plain and simple. Yes, there have been other groups that have had issues, but there really is no comparison. The civil rights era was is full bloom about half a century ago. That's barely a generation. That followed, literally, hundreds of years of oppression. Racism doesn't disappear overnight and progress doesn't erase history.

Couple that with the fact that blacks are the largest minority group in America and there you go. You dig?

1) Do you want a cookie for bringing up this tiresome fact?

2) Hispanics are tha largest minority group in America.  You stand corrected.

[George Whorewell]

LOL another liberal genius has proved the overwhelming stupidity of the left and the blindly illogical politics of victimization. Blacks make up about 15 % of the population in America. Hispanics are a much larger minority group- With the exception of America's major urban cities and a few backwoods hick towns scattered across the south and midwest, blacks do not comprise a substantial population of America at all.

Beyond your completely moronic point of view, I am honestly curious, does being the member of  an "oppressed" racial minority give you the license to act like an uncivilized baboon regardless of the circumstances? Does being black mean that the rules the rest of society has to follow somehow dont apply to you? If thats the case, tell me where I can sign up. I would love to be a rude jackass to everyone and then blame the horrible burden placed on my "racial group" for my behavior.

[24KT]

agreed unless your life is in danger stfu and deal with it after the fact you dont fuck with ppl holding guns and that have the ability to arrest you or generally screw up the rest of your day.

There was more than enough stupidity going around that day, ...but the buck has to stop somewhere,
...and it stops with the one given authority in the situation. With the exercise of authority comes accountability for it's use.

[24KT]

LOL another liberal genius has proved the overwhelming stupidity of the left and the blindly illogical politics of victimization. Blacks make up about 15 % of the population in America. Hispanics are a much larger minority group- With the exception of America's major urban cities and a few backwoods hick towns scattered across the south and midwest, blacks do not comprise a substantial population of America at all.

Beyond your completely moronic point of view, I am honestly curious, does being the member of  an "oppressed" racial minority give you the license to act like an uncivilized baboon regardless of the circumstances? Does being black mean that the rules the rest of society has to follow somehow dont apply to you? If thats the case, tell me where I can sign up. I would love to be a rude jackass to everyone and then blame the horrible burden placed on my "racial group" for my behavior.

psst: Judging by some of your posts, ...I'd have guessed you to already be a fullfleged founding member of that club.

[tonymctones]

There was more than enough stupidity going around that day, ...but the buck has to stop somewhere,
...and it stops with the one given authority in the situation. With the exercise of authority comes accountability for it's use.

again he was well within his power as an officer to arrest gates for disorderly conduct...He didnt abuse any authority, was it the best resolution to the idiotic situation CREATED BY GATES no it wasnt. However you cant sit there and act like gates acting an ass didnt contribute to his arrest. Fine you want to say crowley was in the wrong I can agree that he shouldnt have arrested gates but you must agree that gates shouldnt have acted an ass.

[Al Doggity]

again he was well within his power as an officer to arrest gates for disorderly conduct...He didnt abuse any authority, was it the best resolution to the idiotic situation CREATED BY GATES no it wasnt. However you cant sit there and act like gates acting an ass didnt contribute to his arrest. Fine you want to say crowley was in the wrong I can agree that he shouldnt have arrested gates but you must agree that gates shouldnt have acted an ass.

At the end of the day, Gates' only recourse was to rant. He wasn't on his job. If he was acted an ass (which I never claimed he didn't) then  he was doing so on his own time, on his own property.

[24KT]

again he was well within his power as an officer to arrest gates for disorderly conduct...He didnt abuse any authority, was it the best resolution to the idiotic situation CREATED BY GATES no it wasnt. However you cant sit there and act like gates acting an ass didnt contribute to his arrest. Fine you want to say crowley was in the wrong I can agree that he shouldnt have arrested gates but you must agree that gates shouldnt have acted an ass.

I think they BOTH acted like asses, ...but Gates was in his own home. If you can't act like an ass in your own home, ...there's a problem. Crowley is a police officer, and should maintaed his cool. Yes, Gates should also have maintained his cool, ...but Crowley has a responsibility to do his job without his ego & emotions getting in the way. He failed.

[24KT]

At the end of the day, Gates' only recourse was to rant. He wasn't on his job. If he was acted an ass (which I never claimed he didn't) then  he was doing so on his own time, on his own property.

EXACTLY!!!

[tonymctones]

At the end of the day, Gates' only recourse was to rant. He wasn't on his job. If he was acted an ass (which I never claimed he didn't) then  he was doing so on his own time, on his own property.

news flash you can still perform acts that fall into disorderly conduct own your own property, if he did then he was liable to be arrested...Him being in his house has nothing to do with anything the laws still apply inside his house just as they do outside his house.

[tonymctones]

I think they BOTH acted like asses, ...but Gates was in his own home. If you can't act like an ass in your own home, ...there's a problem. Crowley is a police officer, and should maintaed his cool. Yes, Gates should also have maintained his cool, ...but Crowley has a responsibility to do his job without his ego & emotions getting in the way. He failed.

so laws dont apply inside youre home? did crowley abuse his power? answer that for me

[24KT]

so laws dont apply inside youre home? did crowley abuse his power? answer that for me

Absofuckinlutely!

Doing something unwarranted, just because your badge gives you the authority to do so, is abuse!

So what if Gates wouldn't calm down? He's inside his own home and allowed to be as angry as he wants.
If he's angry & pissed off that you're inside his home, ...GET THE FVCK OUT! It's simple common sense.

When you violate the sanctity of an innocent man's home, pissing him off as a result, ...get out. Plain & simple.

[Al Doggity]

so laws dont apply inside youre home? did crowley abuse his power? answer that for me

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1912777,00.html

In law enforcement, there are few situations that are clear-cut, and disorderly conduct is one of the fuzziest.

"It's probably the most abused statute in America," says Eugene O'Donnell, a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.

a good chunk of disorderly-conduct charges end up being dropped, as happened in the case against Gates,

Talking trash by itself isn't a punishable offense — unless, it seems, you draw a crowd while doing it, which is part of the allegation against Gates.

"With contempt of cop, you get loud and nasty and show scorn for a law-enforcement officer, but a police officer can't go out and lock you up for disorderly conduct because you were disrespectful toward them." The First Amendment allows you to say pretty much anything to the police. "You could tell them to go f___ themselves," says Shane, "and that's fine."

[240 is Back]

wait...

so the cop claimed in the written report that the woman 911 caller said it was a black man?

but the 911 call showed she never said that?

[24KT]

wait...

so the cop claimed in the written report that the woman 911 caller said it was a black man?

but the 911 call showed she never said that?

Yep! He said, she said 2 black men with backpacks, ...but the 911 tapes don't back up that assertion at all.

Furthermore, ...he barely spoke 2 words to her on the scene.  "Wait Here"

And the Cambridge PD dispatch tapes clearly state race unknown, ...possibly hispanic.

Crowley has already demonstrated a bit of a disconnect with the truth. Not calling him a liar, ...but his perception of the situation thus far appears to be somewhat skewed. I wonder what else got skewed?