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Why public health care is philosophically wrong.
« on: July 29, 2009, 06:34:02 AM »
Why public health care is philosophically wrong
By Michael Prell


Forget all the scare stories about waiting lines and denied services.  I live in Canada, and I have a million such stories to tell.  Like my mother wanting to commit suicide due to her excruciating pain -- even though she wore a morphine patch the size of her back -- all because she had to wait three long years for a simple disc operation.

These horror stories are everywhere.  But they are not the most horrific consequences of a public health care system.

If you focus on scare stories of public health care systems gone wrong (and they all go wrong), you will fall into the leftists' trap of arguing over the most effective way to publicly manage health.

No.

You should manage your health.  You should have the power to choose whichever option serves you best.  The power over your health -- your very self -- should be in your hands.

If you allow yourself to be dragged into discussions about effectiveness, or the lack thereof, of various public options -- you have fallen into the trap of having a discussion about how best to "fix" the "system." 

No.

You do not want a health care "system."  If the "system" is broken, you do not want to fix it or tinker with it.  You do not want to give away the argument to your opponents that a system -- albeit a better-operating system -- is what we all desire.

No.

What we desire is liberty.  The freedom to choose.  Domain over our own bodies.  Our selves.

That is what America stands for.  That is what the first Americans fought and died for.  It is the very essence of the American character.  And it is what these people will destroy if they bring in public health care.


Look no further than the north.  A few years ago, Canada's national broadcaster (yes, they have a national broadcaster to go with their national health care system) held a contest to determine "The Greatest Canadian."  More than 1 in 3 Canadians cast their vote for the greatest Canadian who ever lived.  Was it John A. Macdonald, Canada's George Washington?  No.  Was it Alexander Graham Bell, the inventor of the telephone?  No.  Was it even Wayne Gretzky, "the great one," in a hockey-obsessed country?  No.

"The Greatest Canadian," according to Canadians themselves, was Tommy Douglas: the socialist who created socialized health care.   Canadians from coast to coast regularly wait up to 36 weeks for an MRI.   The average emergency room visit is 6 hours -- just to be seen.  Stretchers pile up in hospital hallways.  People wait years to get family doctors.  And my mother's three year ordeal with pain was so dehumanizing she almost killed herself. 

These are the people who voted for their slavemaster as The Greatest to ever walk among them. 

That is what public health care will do to you.  It won't just make you a prisoner of the system.  It won't just destroy the great American spirit of self-reliance.  It will weaken you to the point where you look upon those who enslave you as your heroes.

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100%. 

The leftists are no different than slaves looking for their slavemasters. 

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Re: Why public health care is philosophically wrong.
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 10:07:40 AM »
What a crock.   100% bullsh*t.

His mother still had the option to take control of her health care btw.  You can still get health insurance and go to a private hospital if you have the money if he didn't have the money to do such a thing, how would he have have paid for her care in a non socialized medicine country?

Fact is Canadians realize the greatness of healthcare for all and those who have means and a will can and do use private facilities, those who don't well is it worse to wait 6 hours to be seen (which i doubt is accurate of most hospitals in Canada) or not be seen at all or worse yet, be seen and have nothing done to you other than an ambulance ride to skid row.

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Re: Why public health care is philosophically wrong.
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 11:08:15 AM »
No reply 333?
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Re: Why public health care is philosophically wrong.
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 11:10:42 AM »
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My personal belief is that the goals of covering everyone can be accomplished without having the govt dictating everything to consumers and providers. 

I dont believe that the govt has any business in this matter and is doing far more harm than good in this. 

 

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Re: Why public health care is philosophically wrong.
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 11:14:03 AM »
My personal belief is that the goals of covering everyone can be accomplished without having the govt dictating everything to consumers and providers. 

I dont believe that the govt has any business in this matter and is doing far more harm than good in this. 

 

Well obviously it's not working because 48 million Americans are uninsured.  You would have to require the companies by law to cover everyone which equates to govt intervention anyway.  So what will it be? Require private companies to insure all or keep insurance companies private and have an alternative for those who can't afford insurance or are denied insurance?
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Re: Why public health care is philosophically wrong.
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 11:19:29 AM »
Well obviously it's not working because 48 million Americans are uninsured.  You would have to require the companies by law to cover everyone which equates to govt intervention anyway.  So what will it be? Require private companies to insure all or keep insurance companies private and have an alternative for those who can't afford insurance or are denied insurance?

Here is what I think:

1.  20 million of the 48 are illegals - Do they get care under this plan?

2.  10 -15 million are young people who work but are not covered.  Why is that?  Can we offer them a low cost premiuim high deductible policy covering only accidents and catastrophic incidents?  Do they want a cadillac plan?

3.  The real number is about 15 million.  Out of 300 million, that number is very small.  Surely we can do something without screwing up the care for the 285 million no?   

My point is that we should figure out who is really uninsured and figure out what they might need or want that does not impact the people who are paying for, and happy with their present care. 

I know for me personally, when I went into business, I went years without health carer insurance.  Did I gamble?  Yes. 

What I looked for, and what was not available in NY, was a low cost premium, high deductible plan to cover only accidents and really serious shit. 

From what I can tell, the plans being offered only grow govt intervention in our lives and decisions, which I am not in favor of.