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A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle
Henry Louis Gates Jr. should have taken his stand on the Bill of Rights, not on his epidermis or that of the arresting officer.

By Christopher Hitchens

There are the things you can try when confronted by a cop, and there are the things that you can't—or had better not. Last Memorial Day, I was going in a taxi down to Washington, D.C.'s Vietnam Memorial when a police car cut across the traffic and slammed everything to a halt. Opening the window and asking what the problem was and how long it might last, I was screeched at by a stringy-haired, rat-faced blond beast, who acted as if she had been waiting all year for the chance to hurt someone. (She was wearing a uniform that I had helped pay for.) I often have a hard time keeping my trap shut, but I saw at once that this damaged creature was aching for trouble and that it would cost me days rather than hours if I supplied her with any back chat. (I think it was the mad way she yelled, "Because I can!" and "Because I say so!") She was so avid with hatred that I didn't even try to get close enough to ask or see her name or number. The whole thing, especially my own ignoble passivity, gnaws at me still when I reflect upon it. But it didn't, if you understand me, reinforce any humiliating folk memory. Indeed, I had more or less forgotten it until recently.

More recently, I was walking at night in the wooded California suburb where I spend the summer, trying to think about an essay I was writing. Suddenly, a police cruiser was growling quietly next to me and shining a light. "What are you doing?" I don't know quite what it was—I'd been bored and delayed that week at airport security—but I abruptly decided that I was in no mood, so I responded, "Who wants to know?" and continued walking. "Where do you live?" said the voice. "None of your business," said I. "What's under your jacket?" "What's your probable cause for asking?" I was now almost intoxicated by my mere possession of constitutional rights. There was a pause, and then the cop asked almost pleadingly how he was to know if I was an intruder or burglar, or not. "You can't know that," I said. "It's for me to know and for you to find out. I hope you can come up with probable cause." The car gurgled alongside me for a bit and then pulled away. No doubt the driver then ran some sort of check, but he didn't come back.

In the first instance, I found again what everyone knows, which is that there are a lot of warped misfits and inadequates who are somehow allowed to join the police force. In the second instance, I found that a good cop even at dead of night can and will use his judgment, even if the "suspect" is being a slight pain in the ass. But seriously, do you think I could have pulled the second act, or would even have tried it, or been given the chance to try it, if I had been black? The "Skip" Gates question is determined just as much by what can't and what doesn't happen as it is by what regularly does. (Colbert I. King of the Washington Post once wrote a very telling column about how his parents instilled in him the need for punctuality. The underlining of their everyday lesson was that if you were late, you might have to run, and a young black man racing through the streets could well be detained before he reached his lawful destination.)

I can easily see how a black neighbor could have called the police when seeing professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. trying to push open the front door of his own house. And I can equally easily visualize a thuggish or oversensitive black cop answering the call. And I can also see how long it might take the misunderstanding to dawn on both parties. But Gates has a limp that partly accounts for his childhood nickname and is slight and modest in demeanor. Moreover, whatever he said to the cop was in the privacy of his own home. It is monstrous in the extreme that he should in that home be handcuffed, and then taken downtown, after it had been plainly established that he was indeed the householder. The president should certainly have kept his mouth closed about the whole business—he is a senior law officer with a duty of impartiality, not the micro-manager of our domestic disputes—but once he had said that the police conduct was "stupid," he ought to have stuck to it, quite regardless of the rainbow of shades that was so pathetically and opportunistically deployed by the Cambridge Police Department. It is the U.S. Constitution, and not some competitive agglomeration of communities or constituencies, that makes a citizen the sovereign of his own home and privacy. There is absolutely no legal requirement to be polite in the defense of this right. And such rights cannot be negotiated away over beer.
Race or color are second-order considerations in this, if they are considerations at all. I was once mugged by a white man on the Lower East Side of New York, and then, having given my evidence, was laboriously shown a whole photo album of black "perps" at the local station house. The absurdity of the exercise lay not just in the inability of a half-trained and uncultured force to believe what I was telling them, but in the certainty that their stupidity was helping the guilty party to make a getaway. Professor Gates should have taken his stand on the Bill of Rights and not on his epidermis or that of the arresting officer, and, if he didn't have the presence of mind to do so, that needn't inhibit the rest of us.

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 11:18:25 AM »
More nonsense that ignores the fact that Gates was the true reason the situation escalated to where it was. 

Gates is a jackass and I hope if his house gets burglarized the cops ignore it an let Gates get pistol whipped and house ransacked.   

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2009, 11:45:18 AM »
More nonsense that ignores the fact that Gates was the true reason the situation escalated to where it was. 

Gates is a jackass and I hope if his house gets burglarized the cops ignore it an let Gates get pistol whipped and house ransacked.   

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2009, 11:51:15 AM »
More nonsense that ignores the fact that Gates was the true reason the situation escalated to where it was. 

Gates is a jackass and I hope if his house gets burglarized the cops ignore it an let Gates get pistol whipped and house ransacked.   

Hitchens is trying to use the 4th Amendment to say the cop was wrong, the problem is the police had probable cause, a neighbor reported a possible break in. So was it unreasonable for the police to search the premises?
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2009, 12:05:33 PM »
Hitchens is trying to use the 4th Amendment to say the cop was wrong, the problem is the police had probable cause, a neighbor reported a possible break in. So was it unreasonable for the police to search the premises?
There is no probable cause to do anything since the identity of the Professor had been established as the owner of the house and they were fully aware that there was no break in.  Gates was arrested AFTER the police knew all of this.

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 12:07:02 PM »
There is no probable cause to do anything since the identity of the Professor had been established as the owner of the house and they were fully aware that there was no break in.  Gates was arrested AFTER the police knew all of this.

So that gave Gates the right to create a ridiculous public disturbance like he did? 

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 12:08:49 PM »
So that gave Gates the right to create a ridiculous public disturbance like he did? 

FROM YOUR FAVORITE SITE: 

"Almost every state in the United States has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a misdemeanor."

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2009, 12:22:22 PM »
FROM YOUR FAVORITE SITE: 

"Almost every state in the United States has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a misdemeanor."


This is the point, just because you are on "your" property does not make you immune to a disorderly conduct charge. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but the cop did not break a law, he did nothing that was unconstitutional. And the only reason anyone is still discussing this is because Gates in black and Crowley is white.
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2009, 12:27:31 PM »
This is the point, just because you are on "your" property does not make you immune to a disorderly conduct charge. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but the cop did not break a law, he did nothing that was unconstitutional. And the only reason anyone is still discussing this is because Gates in black and Crowley is white.
Don`t forget to mention that Gates did not break a law either.  The charges were dropped completely.

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2009, 12:33:57 PM »
Don`t forget to mention that Gates did not break a law either.  The charges were dropped completely.

TA - a prosecutor has discretion whether to prosecute or not.  That decision is not always based on the merits of the case, but who calls in favors, the cost, etc.   

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2009, 02:11:36 PM »
A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle
Henry Louis Gates Jr. should have taken his stand on the Bill of Rights, not on his epidermis or that of the arresting officer.

By Christopher Hitchens

There are the things you can try when confronted by a cop, and there are the things that you can't—or had better not. Last Memorial Day, I was going in a taxi down to Washington, D.C.'s Vietnam Memorial when a police car cut across the traffic and slammed everything to a halt. Opening the window and asking what the problem was and how long it might last, I was screeched at by a stringy-haired, rat-faced blond beast, who acted as if she had been waiting all year for the chance to hurt someone. (She was wearing a uniform that I had helped pay for.) I often have a hard time keeping my trap shut, but I saw at once that this damaged creature was aching for trouble and that it would cost me days rather than hours if I supplied her with any back chat. (I think it was the mad way she yelled, "Because I can!" and "Because I say so!") She was so avid with hatred that I didn't even try to get close enough to ask or see her name or number. The whole thing, especially my own ignoble passivity, gnaws at me still when I reflect upon it. But it didn't, if you understand me, reinforce any humiliating folk memory. Indeed, I had more or less forgotten it until recently.

More recently, I was walking at night in the wooded California suburb where I spend the summer, trying to think about an essay I was writing. Suddenly, a police cruiser was growling quietly next to me and shining a light. "What are you doing?" I don't know quite what it was—I'd been bored and delayed that week at airport security—but I abruptly decided that I was in no mood, so I responded, "Who wants to know?" and continued walking. "Where do you live?" said the voice. "None of your business," said I. "What's under your jacket?" "What's your probable cause for asking?" I was now almost intoxicated by my mere possession of constitutional rights. There was a pause, and then the cop asked almost pleadingly how he was to know if I was an intruder or burglar, or not. "You can't know that," I said. "It's for me to know and for you to find out. I hope you can come up with probable cause." The car gurgled alongside me for a bit and then pulled away. No doubt the driver then ran some sort of check, but he didn't come back.

In the first instance, I found again what everyone knows, which is that there are a lot of warped misfits and inadequates who are somehow allowed to join the police force. In the second instance, I found that a good cop even at dead of night can and will use his judgment, even if the "suspect" is being a slight pain in the ass. But seriously, do you think I could have pulled the second act, or would even have tried it, or been given the chance to try it, if I had been black? The "Skip" Gates question is determined just as much by what can't and what doesn't happen as it is by what regularly does. (Colbert I. King of the Washington Post once wrote a very telling column about how his parents instilled in him the need for punctuality. The underlining of their everyday lesson was that if you were late, you might have to run, and a young black man racing through the streets could well be detained before he reached his lawful destination.)

I can easily see how a black neighbor could have called the police when seeing professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. trying to push open the front door of his own house. And I can equally easily visualize a thuggish or oversensitive black cop answering the call. And I can also see how long it might take the misunderstanding to dawn on both parties. But Gates has a limp that partly accounts for his childhood nickname and is slight and modest in demeanor. Moreover, whatever he said to the cop was in the privacy of his own home. It is monstrous in the extreme that he should in that home be handcuffed, and then taken downtown, after it had been plainly established that he was indeed the householder. The president should certainly have kept his mouth closed about the whole business—he is a senior law officer with a duty of impartiality, not the micro-manager of our domestic disputes—but once he had said that the police conduct was "stupid," he ought to have stuck to it, quite regardless of the rainbow of shades that was so pathetically and opportunistically deployed by the Cambridge Police Department. It is the U.S. Constitution, and not some competitive agglomeration of communities or constituencies, that makes a citizen the sovereign of his own home and privacy. There is absolutely no legal requirement to be polite in the defense of this right. And such rights cannot be negotiated away over beer.
Race or color are second-order considerations in this, if they are considerations at all. I was once mugged by a white man on the Lower East Side of New York, and then, having given my evidence, was laboriously shown a whole photo album of black "perps" at the local station house. The absurdity of the exercise lay not just in the inability of a half-trained and uncultured force to believe what I was telling them, but in the certainty that their stupidity was helping the guilty party to make a getaway. Professor Gates should have taken his stand on the Bill of Rights and not on his epidermis or that of the arresting officer, and, if he didn't have the presence of mind to do so, that needn't inhibit the rest of us.

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2009, 02:17:18 PM »
Jag - forget about the law for a moment.

Don't you think Gates was an ass in this by starting the race crap when crowley was there doing his job responding to what he thought was a crime in progress?   

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2009, 02:24:47 PM »
Why do u try to rationally argue with this dingbat. She lives in fuzzybunny land where all is well, except for big evil America, or in this case big evil cops. Everyday cops are doing their jobs, keeping people safe. Morons like TA, who have never stepped outside their comfort zones, have no idea what the rest of the world are like. I would expect Jag to know better.
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2009, 02:37:08 PM »
Jag - forget about the law for a moment.

Don't you think Gates was an ass in this by starting the race crap when crowley was there doing his job responding to what he thought was a crime in progress?   

How can we forget about the law here when assessing this? ...despite the fact that forgetting the law was what Crowley appeared to do when he chose to arrest Gates.

As for Gates, when one is firmly in the belly of the beast, ...it is your obligation to be as unpalatable as possible.

It appears Gates believes it to be about race. I will not fault him for a sincere belief even if it were subsequently found to be incorrect. He was an innocent, minding his own business, in his own home. Yes, Crowley was there to investigate what he thought may have been a crime in progress, ...however, upon discovery that Gates was the lawful occupant, it should have ended right then and then. There was no further need to harass the man in his own home, and certainly no further need to send additional officers into the home, ...and absolutely no need to arrest him for disorderly conduct. He did however have an obligation to provide his name & badge #, and his refusal to do so, along with an escalation of police presence within his home resulted in his exercise of his 1st amendment rights within his own home.
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 02:44:06 PM »
Hey guys, whats up, oh u need my ID. Well yes sir Officer I could see how that it looks like we were breaking in, stupid me I forgot my keys. Yep thats me on the ID, I work for the School. I understand u have to check these things out, glad I could clear this up, sorry for getting u guys out here...have a nice night.

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2009, 02:46:44 PM »
Why do u try to rationally argue with this dingbat. She lives in fuzzybunny land where all is well, except for big evil America, or in this case big evil cops. Everyday cops are doing their jobs, keeping people safe. Morons like TA, who have never stepped outside their comfort zones, have no idea what the rest of the world are like. I would expect Jag to know better.

I DO know better. I'm very familiar with cops. They are my neighbours, my friends, and in some cases my family.
I do know what goes on. Some are good, some are bad, and some make stupid decisions. It's a difficult often thankless job, ...and in the case of certain family members who are law enforcement well above the municipal level, ...it is a completely thankless job, ...one wherein the more proficient you are, the less accolades you receive.

I suspect it is you who has no idea about the world. Military personnel often have difficulty adjusting to civilian life.
pssst: The whole world is not a war zone, ...and particularly not when approaching civilians in their own home,
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 02:49:59 PM »

I suspect it is you who has no idea about the world. Military personnel often have difficulty adjusting to civilian life.

No they don't.  Especially when you're talking about officers (your post is directed to an officer). 

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 02:51:29 PM »
Jag - you are truly a sick person if you believe that. 

Crowley was THERE RESPONDING TO WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS A CRIME IN DAMN IN PROGRESS. 

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2009, 02:54:05 PM »
I DO know better. I'm very familiar with cops. They are my neighbours, my friends, and in some cases my family.
I do know what goes on. Some are good, some are bad, and some make stupid decisions. It's a difficult often thankless job, ...and in the case of certain family members who are law enforcement well above the municipal level, ...it is a completely thankless job, ...one wherein the more proficient you are, the less accolades you receive.

I suspect it is you who has no idea about the world. Military personnel often have difficulty adjusting to civilian life.
pssst: The whole world is not a war zone, ...and particularly not when approaching civilians in their own home,

The whole world is not a war zone, ...and particularly not when approaching civilians in their own home,

How do you reconcile that with your belief that Gates "was in the belly of the beast and that he has to be as unpalpable as possible" ????

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 03:01:17 PM »
Hey guys, whats up, oh u need my ID. Well yes sir Officer I could see how that it looks like we were breaking in, stupid me I forgot my keys. Yep thats me on the ID, I work for the School. I understand u have to check these things out, glad I could clear this up, sorry for getting u guys out here...have a nice night.

Would that have been to fucking hard Jag......then Barry could have gone back to tap dancing on Health Care.

Apparently in Gates' case, ...it was. Despite that, ...he DID provide his id, and his identity WAS confirmed.
Crowley SHOULD have left it alone at that point, instead he called for an increased police presence, not only from Cambridge police Dept, but also the Harvard University Campus Police. Then he made a stupid decision to arrest him for disorderly conduct.

Why people keep insisting Gates refused to provide id is baffling. It was Crowley who refused to provide his name & badge #. It comes down to an issue of police authority, and accountability for the exercise of that authority. Abuse of police authority may result in a cop winning the battle, however, they may very well lose the war, ...the prizes from which include both their badges & their balls. That's why his decision to arrest him was so stupid. Crowley demonstrated he had a lot of bravery & brawn, ...what he didn't demonstrate was that he had brains to go along with his brawn, ...he's kind of like you helmuthead.  :P   :-*


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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 03:05:07 PM »
No they don't.  Especially when you're talking about officers (your post is directed to an officer). 

{blush}  :-[  ooops Mea culpa.  His being mistaken for a mindless grunt is understandable tho.
He neither conducts himself like an officer, ...nor a gentleman. {hrmph}  ;D
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 03:11:17 PM »
I DO know better. I'm very familiar with cops. They are my neighbours, my friends, and in some cases my family.
I do know what goes on. Some are good, some are bad, and some make stupid decisions. It's a difficult often thankless job, ...and in the case of certain family members who are law enforcement well above the municipal level, ...it is a completely thankless job, ...one wherein the more proficient you are, the less accolades you receive.

I suspect it is you who has no idea about the world. Military personnel often have difficulty adjusting to civilian life.
pssst: The whole world is not a war zone, ...and particularly not when approaching civilians in their own home,

Jag..unfortunatly it is. There are few major countries I haven't been to..granted many of them were visited while in uniform, but the world is a horrible and dangerous place and gets more so every day. I did a year in Bosnia and saw the remains of mass graves as well as the billions in arms that the Russians planed to use against us. I'm headed to Iraq for trip number 2 and I'm sure I'll get another trip to Afghanistan before thats done. We have nutbags narcos' on our border and I'm just waiting for Cuba to blow up or melt down. I hope it happens sooner rather then later, they have nice beaches.
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2009, 03:35:45 PM »
Jag - you are truly a sick person if you believe that. 

Crowley was THERE RESPONDING TO WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS A CRIME IN DAMN IN PROGRESS. 

He shouldn't have been there responding to what he thought was a crime in progress.

He should have been there responding to a situation of concern to a caller ...someone using their shoulder to force open the front door of a house. A possible homeowner, ...or a possible breakin. He was there to determine which. Upon discovering Gates was the lawful occupant of the residence, and that there was no crime in progress, he should have apologized for the inconvenience, and left, ...not call for additional police presence, then compound the harassment further by arresting him for disorderly conduct.

Crowley DOES owe Gates an apology. If not for the way he conducted his investigation, ...then certainly at least for the intrusion and disruption the commission of his duties caused an innocent man. For him to inconvenience and disrupt his life further by effecting an arrest was a stupid abuse of his authority.


333386, if you are an unarmed man, ...and I'm standing there with a gun, ...I have the authority to kill you.
That authority may not be legal, ...but it certainly is a physical authority isn't it? If you pissed me off, and i pulled the trigger, ...would you say that was an abuse of the authority granted me by that firearm? An abuse for which I should be held accountable? Doing something just because you can, ...doesn't make it the right thing to do. Sometimes, ...it's just like the President said... stupid!
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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2009, 04:00:07 PM »
The whole world is not a war zone, ...and particularly not when approaching civilians in their own home,

How do you reconcile that with your belief that Gates "was in the belly of the beast and that he has to be as unpalpable as possible" ????

I believe the word I used was "unpalatable". And I reconcile it very easily. An increased police presence despite an already established lawful occupancy has a tendency to inform one that their peaceful, tranquil, abode, aka their castle, has been converted into a war zone, by those who appear to have ignored or dismissed your 1st & 4th amendment rights, or declared them null & void. In which case, you stand up and speak out, and if necessary scream it from the mountain top, ...to make damned sure it never happens to you again.

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Re: A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle by Christopher HITCHENS
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2009, 04:30:30 PM »
Henry Louis Gates Jr. should have taken his stand on the Bill of Rights, not on his epidermis or that of the arresting officer.
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