Coulter: Cops aren't pulling over enough black people

[Parker]

What makes you think he was a criminal? Because he got shot in the back 8 times by police? What was his crime?

The man is was Marquise Hudspeth, and his "crime", ...was going through a red light while talking on his phone. He'd lost his job a month earlier, and his wife had just kicked him out of the house due to his involvement with another woman. He was upset, distraught, and speaking with his wife on the phone at the time, crying for her to take him back, when got distracted and went through a red light. After pulling into the Circle K convenience store parking lot, he was confronted by police.

The officers blasted away, firing 15 bullets at Hudspeth's back in just a few seconds. Eight of the bullets found their target, killing Hudspeth. Critics of this shooting find fault with the police. To critics of the department, the fact that police fired only at Hudspeth's back highlights the department's most obvious failure.

"None (of the bullets) entered this man's body from the front. He was walking away," said state Rep. Ernest Baylor, D-Shreveport, who is black, as he watched the video from one of his offices not far from the site of the shooting.

Baylor acknowledged that Hudspeth acted in an "unusual" manner for someone surrounded by armed police officers, citing the way he brandished his cell phone. But Baylor maintains that the officers overreacted. "There could have been something used besides deadly force," he said.

According to Wade Schindler, criminal justice expert and adjunct professor at Tulance University, if a suspect is walking away from police officers, Louisiana state law says they cannot shoot.

Well, I'm going by my job now, and if he did not comply with Officer in the state of MD, if the officer said you are under arrest, there is probable cause to charge him with resist/interfer w/arrest, fail to obey....

[24KT]

Well, I'm going by my job now, and if he did not comply with Officer in the state of MD, if the officer said you are under arrest, there is probable cause to charge him with resist/interfer w/arrest, fail to obey....

...ahhh, but is there probable cause to wildly fire 15 shots at his back? 

[tonymctones]

...ahhh, but is there probable cause to wildly fire 15 shots at his back? 

jag there was nothing wildly about that it was controlled firing...he was obviously resisting regardless of what had happend in his life which the cops probably didnt know about so it is irrelevant to their view of the situation. Your bias is so obvious that it comes through in your wording and views jag like others have said there are plenty of other situations to prove your point you holding this up and touting as such only serves to prove you bias...

[24KT]

jag there was nothing wildly about that it was controlled firing...he was obviously resisting regardless of what had happend in his life which the cops probably didnt know about so it is irrelevant to their view of the situation. Your bias is so obvious that it comes through in your wording and views jag like others have said there are plenty of other situations to prove your point you holding this up and touting as such only serves to prove you bias...

Nothing wildly about it?    Are you for real?

Dude, in that particular instance, they fired 15 shots, ...but only 8 of them connected.
From that close a range, one would have expected more than just half the shots to connect.

I don't know about you, but I have a hard time with 15 shots fired into someone's back ...for blowing a red light.
If that's a bias, I'll freely admit it. I have a bias against stupid cops who make stupid decisions that cost peoples lives.

I don't give a shit if he walks around with his pants hanging off his ass.
He needs an appt. with Queer eye for the straight guy, ...not 8 bullets embedded into his back.

[tonymctones]

Nothing wildly about it?    Are you for real?

Dude, in that particular instance, they fired 15 shots, ...but only 8 of them connected.
From that close a range, one would have expected more than just half the shots to connect.

I don't know about you, but I have a hard time with 15 shots fired into someone's back ...for blowing a red light.
If that's a bias, I'll freely admit it. I have a bias against stupid cops who make stupid decisions that cost peoples lives.

I don't give a shit if he walks around with his pants hanging off his ass.
He needs an appt. with Queer eye for the straight guy, ...not 8 bullets embedded into his back.

So now its the police officers aim that your upset with? sorry jag im sure if it were you, you would have put all 15 within a dime size group on him. While walking aiming at a moving target and rapid firing that was pretty good jag, again nothing wild about it.

OMFG did the fact that he got out of his car and resist restraint mean nothing to you? how about the fact that as he was walking away from the police where they cant see his hands he turns around and obviously points something at the 2nd cop? i guess you think the police should wait to get shot at before they return fire huh?

Look the incident was truely unfortunate I understand that but dont put the blame soley on the police officers the jack ass played a huge role in this situation as well.

Again there are plenty of other situations out there to prove your point this one is not the best, that guy got out of his vehicle while being pulled over, a big no no, resisted restraint from the police officer, another big no no, walked away with his hands where the police could not see them, a big no no and pointed something directly at another officer...what do you expect them to do get shot first and then return fire?

[andreisdaman]

Jaguar is mentally ill.

She likely has not been able to receive professional help because treatment of her disability in Canada is "elective" and as a result she has been on a 7 year waiting list to see the only psychiatrist in Canada.

 

what's happened to you george???..you used to be a reasonable guy..you're losing it big time

[24KT]

So now its the police officers aim that your upset with? sorry jag im sure if it were you, you would have put all 15 within a dime size group on him. While walking aiming at a moving target and rapid firing that was pretty good jag, again nothing wild about it.

OMFG did the fact that he got out of his car and resist restraint mean nothing to you? how about the fact that as he was walking away from the police where they cant see his hands he turns around and obviously points something at the 2nd cop? i guess you think the police should wait to get shot at before they return fire huh?

    It's only considered "return fire" when you've been fired upon in the first place?

So ya, ...police should wait to be fired at before they "return fire", ...otherwise, it's not return fire, ...it's open fire.

Look the incident was truely unfortunate I understand that but dont put the blame soley on the police officers the jack ass played a huge role in this situation as well.

Again there are plenty of other situations out there to prove your point this one is not the best, that guy got out of his vehicle while being pulled over, a big no no, resisted restraint from the police officer, another big no no, walked away with his hands where the police could not see them, a big no no and pointed something directly at another officer...what do you expect them to do get shot first and then return fire?

Now you think the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike applies to police & citizens too? Your country is turning into a fascist gestapo police state right in front of your eyes, ...and you're still sucking storm trooper cock! Unbelievable! 

Running a red light should not result in 8 bullets to the back.  Now go wipe your chin. 

[tonymctones]

   It's only considered "return fire" when you've been fired upon in the first place?

So ya, ...police should wait to be fired at before they "return fire", ...otherwise, it's not return fire, ...it's open fire.


Now you think the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike applies to police & citizens too? Your country is turning into a fascist gestapo police state right in front of your eyes, ...and you're still sucking storm trooper cock! Unbelievable! 

Running a red light should not result in 8 bullets to the back.  Now go wipe your chin. 

you refuse to realize that jackass didnt simply run a red light, first admit that he refused restraint. walked away from a police officer concealing his hands and pointed something at one, can you admit those?

You also dont get out of your car when being pulled over unless asked to, you think the cops asked him to get out push one of them away walk away and then point something at one of them? noooo that was all that retards idea and when you point a gun at a cop they will open fire they will not wait for you to shoot first. It has nothing to do with bush pull the obama/liberal stick out off your ass its made its way to your brain...

[24KT]

you refuse to realize that jackass didnt simply run a red light, first admit that he refused restraint. walked away from a police officer concealing his hands and pointed something at one, can you admit those?

You also dont get out of your car when being pulled over unless asked to, you think the cops asked him to get out push one of them away walk away and then point something at one of them? noooo that was all that retards idea and when you point a gun at a cop they will open fire they will not wait for you to shoot first. It has nothing to do with bush pull the obama/liberal stick out off your ass its made its way to your brain...

{giggle}

That's quite the mouthful. Didn't your momma teach you not to talk with your mouth full? Go wipe your chin!

[tonymctones]

{giggle}

That's quite the mouthful. Didn't your momma teach you not to talk with your mouth full? Go wipe your chin!

you talk of sucking cocks and im the one with the mouth?  sure I guess

so do you admit that the man did all those things and it wasnt a simple case of running a red light?

[24KT]

you talk of sucking cocks and im the one with the mouth?  sure I guess

so do you admit that the man did all those things and it wasnt a simple case of running a red light?

None of those things warranted 15 shots to the back. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.

[tonymctones]

None of those things warranted 15 shots to the back. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.

if the police officer thought he was going to shoot his partner then he did what he thought he needed to do to stop that.

Again he got out of his car which youre not supposed to do, he pushed a cop away no brainer, he walked away from a cop with his hands out of sight a no brainer and then proceeded to point something at a police officer after his hands where out of sight while walking away...trust jag like I said this incident was truely unfortunate but that cop did what he thought he needed to do to protect another police officer. The man who got shot played a huge role in that incident and you know this.

Again there are plenty of other examples out there to prove your point this one isnt one of them and you touting this as proof only serves to show your bias.

[24KT]

if the police officer thought he was going to shoot his partner then he did what he thought he needed to do to stop that.

Again he got out of his car which youre not supposed to do, he pushed a cop away no brainer, he walked away from a cop with his hands out of sight a no brainer and then proceeded to point something at a police officer after his hands where out of sight while walking away...trust jag like I said this incident was truely unfortunate but that cop did what he thought he needed to do to protect another police officer. The man who got shot played a huge role in that incident and you know this.

Again there are plenty of other examples out there to prove your point this one isnt one of them and you touting this as proof only serves to show your bias.

Do you think the guy deserved to die here? Yes or No?

[Hugo Chavez]

one of the rare occasions, I agree with tony

I will agree that cops do need better training.  There's no doubt about that.  There are countless, WTF oh no they didn't, vids of cops gone wild on the net.  inexcusable.

[tonymctones]

Do you think the guy deserved to die here? Yes or No?

whether he deserved to die and whether his shooting was justifiable are two different things.

No he didnt deserve to die
was his shooting justifiable by the police officer yes it was.

thats what makes it truely unfortunate, the majority of cops would do the same thing I would think if you think your partner is having a gun pointed at him youre going to nuetralize that threat just like the one officer did was it a mistake of course did the suspect play a huge role in his death yes he certainly did.

[tonymctones]

one of the rare occations, I agree with tony

hahahah you know these occasions have been happening more and more lately, I think your coming over to the dark side...

[Hugo Chavez]

whether he deserved to die and whether his shooting was justifiable are two different things.

No he didnt deserve to die
was his shooting justifiable by the police officer yes it was.

thats what makes it truely unfortunate, the majority of cops would do the same thing I would think if you think your partner is having a gun pointed at him youre going to nuetralize that threat just like the one officer did was it a mistake of course did the suspect play a huge role in his death yes he certainly did.

looked like he had a deathwish to me.

[Hugo Chavez]

hahahah you know these occasions have been happening more and more lately, I think your coming over to the dark side...

Do I get to keep my screen name or do I have to change it

[tonymctones]

Do I get to keep my screen name or do I have to change it

we can do the prince thing you know "the poster formerly known as hugo chavez" and then well come up with a new one after a few months 

[Hugo Chavez]

we can do the prince thing you know "the poster formerly known as hugo chavez" and then well come up with a new one after a few months 

Sorry, it's going to take more than being pissed at Obama and dems for me to become a righty.  You'll have to settle for the occasional agreement  

[tonymctones]

Sorry, it's going to take more than being pissed at Obama and dems for me to become a righty.  You'll have to settle for the occasional agreement  

LOL for now.....

[24KT]

whether he deserved to die and whether his shooting was justifiable are two different things.

No he didnt deserve to die
was his shooting justifiable by the police officer yes it was.

thats what makes it truely unfortunate, the majority of cops would do the same thing I would think if you think your partner is having a gun pointed at him youre going to nuetralize that threat just like the one officer did was it a mistake of course did the suspect play a huge role in his death yes he certainly did.

Finally we are in agreement. The cop made a mistake. A HUGE one that cost an innocent man his life.
The only saving grace to be found in that video is the fact that the one officer ducked.
However, he was not the one who opened fire. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
I'm not arguing this guy was singled out for abuse, ...simply that this was one guy who police didn't fail to stop. 
Personally, I would've preferred they send him a summons in the mail, that's far more preferable than this outcome.

As an aside though, it would be interesting to conduct a social experient where people got to be a cop for a day.
Not a real cop who goes out on patrol, ...just one who dons the uniform and utility belt. I think it would be quite revealing to see the immediate transformation that occurs. As a cop, I'd be embarrassed as heck to witness that, and to understand society's true perception of cops, as they mimick them in every way.

[tonymctones]

Finally we are in agreement. The cop made a mistake. A HUGE one that cost an innocent man his life.
The only saving grace to be found in that video is the fact that the one officer ducked.
However, he was not the one who opened fire. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
I'm not arguing this guy was singled out for abuse, ...simply that this was one guy who police didn't fail to stop. 
Personally, I would've preferred they send him a summons in the mail, that's far more preferable than this outcome.

As an aside though, it would be interesting to conduct a social experient where people got to be a cop for a day.
Not a real cop who goes out on patrol, ...just one who dons the uniform and utility belt. I think it would be quite revealing to see the immediate transformation that occurs. As a cop, I'd be embarrassed as heck to witness that, and to understand society's true perception of cops, as they mimick them in every way.

darling cops make mistakes on a daily basis they are human. The man shouldnt have done any of those things and did bring that outcome on himself. You think the police would have opened fire if the guy had stayed in his car and obeyed them?

You dont condemn one party and alleviate the guilt of the other party, the man in this instance was far more at fault for the outcome of this incident then the police officers.

[Hugo Chavez]

It doesn't matter that it was only a cell phone or whatever, if he pointed it like a gun, it's a good shoot on the cops part.  I don't see the mistake being on the cops in this case.  The mistake is clearly on him, not the cops.

[tonymctones]

It doesn't matter that it was only a cell phone or whatever, if he pointed it like a gun, it's a good shoot on the cops part.  I don't see the mistake being on the cops in this case.  The mistake is clearly on him, not the cops.

The only reason I say it was a mistake was b/c it wasnt a gun but i totally agree they didnt make a mistake in procedure or judgement I would say.