New Tren Cycle Recomendation

[bigjoered]

I was wondering what is recommended for a first time user of tren as far as dose.  I successfully completed a 14 week sustannon cycle and saw decent gains in strength and size but I have heard good things about tren and I would like to be even more aggressive with my gains this time around.  Are the sides worse than test.  In my case I just experienced a little soreness in the injection spots and at times a hard time sleeping but nothing I couldn't handle.  Tren is suppose to be way more androgenic so I imagine more intense sides.  By the way the stuff is pretty pricey I sure hope its all it promises to be

[wes mantooth]

you want to use tren alone? tren ace or tren e?

[wes mantooth]

if its your first cycle..not good to take tren for first cycle! too strong!

sustanon all give little pain because of fenilpropionate in testo mixx...its normal!

He already said "I successfully completed a 14 week sustannon cycle"

[wampyri]

Ive been told 250mg ew of tren e is a goodplace to start alot of people recommend tren ace first incase you get sides Im on my first tren cycle and other than being a bit short of breath (im a boxer) its great my cycle is.

test 500mg ew
tren e 250mg ew
mast e 250mg ew
4iu hgh ed

[bigjoered]

Great feedback guys I appreciate this.  Yes I am interested in Tren acetate alone because I am told it is more potent than ethenate.  My intrest in this is to keep swaping between Tren and test cycles to keep my receptors responding to the AAS. just a theory from a new guy.  By the way I heard the pain from the test was normal and was not to worried because I have a great connect with plenty of medical grade ancillaries of course my gear was ugl cause thats all I can get right now.

Its going to be a minute before I start because I am still doing PCT for at least another month and a half also this gives me time to get the cash to get everything I need for my next cycle.

Feel free to share more I am learning alot from you guys.

Anybody else trying Tren ace alone cycle?  Benefits or drawbacks.  Biggest intrest is in size and strength.

[wes mantooth]

couple of things:

unless youre competing, try to stay as close to the "time on, time off" rule

always use test as a base, even at a lower dose.

use a fast acting test if youre gonna go with ace, longer acting test if going enanthate.....cuts back on shots...you can just mix compounds

tren by itself shuts down some peoples wood.....

[Luv2Hurt]

Agree tren and test would make a nice solid cycle.

Since I like test long term I would chose E myself. I don't know what people think but many say 12 weeks is kind of long on tren.  I would do a 20 week cycle test E the whole way at a gram a week and then put the tren in there in the middle for 8-10 weeks.  You could also do the tren at the end.  If you wanna really do it hard you could do as suggested and use prop and go for 100mg prop and 100mg tren ED for 12-14 weeks.  Might get a little uncomfortable though?

[wes mantooth]

Agree tren and test would make a nice solid cycle.

Since I like test long term I would chose E myself. I don't know what people think but many say 12 weeks is kind of long on tren.  I would do a 20 week cycle test E the whole way at a gram a week and then put the tren in there in the middle for 8-10 weeks.  You could also do the tren at the end.  If you wanna really do it hard you could do as suggested and use prop and go for 100mg prop and 100mg tren ED for 12-14 weeks.  Might get a little uncomfortable though?

LOL..pin cushion city

im lazy..id do the test e/ tren e. i tried it once in the past......with eq. it was awesome

[pray4surf]

If you're going to use tren A, stack it with T-prop in the same pin.
75mg tren/50 or 100mg test every other day, or everyday but lower the dose.

IMO the best first tren cycle would be test prop and tren hexawhateveritscalled (It's half life I believe is 5 days). 
You can shoot twice a week, mon/thurs or sun/wed. 
I would start with 150mg of test and tren twice a week.  300mg of tren may not seem like a whole lot but for your first time it's plenty.

[Luv2Hurt]

LOL..pin cushion city

im lazy..id do the test e/ tren e. i tried it once in the past......with eq. it was awesome

Yes all that pinning gets old fast.

[dbow196]

I just about to complete an 8 week cycle of Test-p 150/eod and Tren-a 80/eod. I had some night sweats off and on, but as I cut my carbs down they seemed to go away. I never suffered tren cough. Despite being on a calorie deficit I made great strength gains and preserved my muscle mass while dropping a lot of body fat. This was not my first cycle but it was my first go with Tren. I’m at 235 and under 8%bf this morning, the doses seemed a little low for me, but I was being conservative. As far as pain, the tren was not bad, but test-p can hurt. Pinning eod is a lot of some, but I’ve down ed before, so it’s no biggie.

[bigjoered]

Being that Tren is more powerful than test why do you all stack it with test in the cycles you suggested?  I realized that the Tren will seriously shut down my natural test production but so dose cycling test.  My goal is to up my strength this go round my last cycle beefed me up quite a bit ( I personally think I am a little puffy now) but I think my strength gains could improve.  Please share your reasoning on this.  I am still researching this option anyway during my downtime from my last cycle so I plan to make a very well informed choice

[tstmaniac]

Pray4surf, why would u reccoment test p and parabolan? If your shooting tren twice a week you might as well take test e

[4thAD]

Tren with test and some dbol, or tbol, is probably one of my all time favorite simple cycles. Easy, and efficient, with mad benefits. Tren is dabomb

[pray4surf]

Pray4surf, why would u reccoment test p and parabolan? If your shooting tren twice a week you might as well take test e

1. I hold more water on test e than with prop.  Bacne is also much worst with test e.
2. Prop gets in and out of your system faster, helps when doing pct and recovery.
3. I think they work well together for people who want low water retention and because their half life is similar 4 days/prop & 5 days/para.

[tstmaniac]

Your wrong, you can be just as cut on test e as on propionate...

[tstmaniac]

Iv never seen a difference as far as acne with test e and test p..it seems unnecessary to inject so frequently if your using a longer esther of tren

[pray4surf]

Your wrong, you can be just as cut on test e as on propionate...

No, you're wrong.  The molecular weight of the chain attached to a hormone makes a HUGE difference!

Lets just go over some basics here like the weight of the ester attached to test.
Per 100mg of test
Suspension =  288.4mg = 100mg
Propionate =  56.1mg = 83.72mg
Cypionate = 124.2mg = 69.90mg

Test Propionate causes the least side effects and the least bloating because it has the lightest ester weight.  But you already knew that right?  I don't know why competitors ALL cut with prop, because according to you they can be just as cut with test e, right?  

[tstmaniac]

your talking out of your ass when you say all competitors cut with test p...you can be just as cut on test e...its all about diet, cardio, a.i.'s and training hard...and mayb bacne is worse for you while ur on test p...but don't speak for everyone..i have never had acne issues using prop...besides the point, this guy isn't competing hes looking to do a tren cycle...why not make it easier for him to take test e and parabolan and inject twice a week? he can get just as shredded

[tbombz]

No, you're wrong.  The molecular weight of the chain attached to a hormone makes a HUGE difference!

Lets just go over some basics here like the weight of the ester attached to test.
Per 100mg of test
Suspension =  288.4mg = 100mg
Propionate =  56.1mg = 83.72mg
Cypionate = 124.2mg = 69.90mg

Test Propionate causes the least side effects and the least bloating because it has the lightest ester weight.  But you already knew that right?  I don't know why competitors ALL cut with prop, because according to you they can be just as cut with test e, right?  

ester effects the total homonre, true, but theres no reason why a ester length effects the ability to cut or bulk. more hormone makes it better, not less ester. and a longer ester'd steooid witha  bigger dose to make uip for lost hormone compared to smaller ester, would work the same...(albeit a bit m more water retention most likely due to the fact you body is carrying around long chain esterfied roids.. )

[pray4surf]

and mayb bacne is worse for you while ur on test p...but don't speak for everyone..i have never had acne issues using prop.

How am I speaking for everybody when my post clearly starts off with "I hold more water and get more bacne on test e".
     
rEedinG is fUndyMental

You never read my post, you just want to argue.

tbomb - I never said it effects ones ability to cut.  You can cut with any hormone, but why would you.  In 2000 I cut using a-bombs which made things harder.  I was able to cut down, but I made it harder than it needed to be.  I just had to watch my sodium intake more closely. 
My point is why would you if you have the option of same hormone with lower water retention. 

[tstmaniac]

You can b just as cut on prop as on test e...end of story

[tstmaniac]

Yes u stated that u hold more water...but the next sentence just said, bacne is worse with test e..it did not sound like u were talking about yourself...calm down and go surf or something

[tbombz]

tbomb - I never said it effects ones ability to cut.  You can cut with any hormone, but why would you.  In 2000 I cut using a-bombs which made things harder.  I was able to cut down, but I made it harder than it needed to be.  I just had to watch my sodium intake more closely. 
My point is why would you if you have the option of same hormone with lower water retention. 

it doesnt make cutting harder, just more water. like you said. and water is not fat, and the two are unrelated..(meaningin only that high water retention doesnt mean you cant lose fat at an optimal rate- in fact water retention helps fat loss and muscle preservation)

[tstmaniac]

T bombs good post