Misunderstanding about natural limit.

[kyomu]

I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.

This is the truth.

Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.

Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.

[CT_Muscle]

I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.

This is the truth.

Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.

Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.

Thanks for clearing that up

[DK II]

kyomu, spot on as always.

[Mr Nobody]

I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.

This is the truth.

Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.

Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.

It depends on genetics some people could never reach 200lbs pounds in contest shape. Yes natural is not really fatter, but the drugs allow you to strip off more fat and water while holding size so you end up harder with more muscle - just my opinion

[Ursus]

I am doing 8-12 reps for first time in my life properly and am exploding with growth - was 17stone dead earlier in boxers. Am leaner than I been in a while and much thicker

[DK II]

I am doing 8-12 reps for first time in my life properly and am exploding with growth - was 17stone dead earlier in boxers. Am leaner than I been in a while and much thicker

Congrats.

[FREAKgeek]

Is this post a sparring invitation for gh15?

[kyomu]

It depends on genetics some people could never reach 200lbs pounds in contest shape. Yes natural is not really fatter, but the drugs allow you to strip off more fat and water while holding size so you end up harder with more muscle - just my opinion

well, basicaly you have same opinion as mines.

[kyomu]

Is this post a sparring invitation for gh15?

I think he will make same opinion though.

[Ursus]

Congrats.

I LOL'd

[kiwiol]

No one can really say or estimate in advance how much muscle they can put on if they train consistently, properly and sensibly for 20 + years naturally, let alone guess someone else's potential. Yes, naturals are never going to come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but a lot of people here drastically underestimate the upper limit of the human body when it comes to bodybuilding naturally.

[DK II]

I LOL'd

good for you!!

 

[kyomu]

No one can really say or estimate in advance how much muscle they can put on if they train consistently, properly and sensibly for 20 + years naturally, let alone guess someone else's potential. Yes, naturals are never going to come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but a lot of people here drastically underestimate the upper limit of the human body when it comes to bodybuilding naturally.

Logical as usual

[kyomu]

No one can really say or estimate in advance how much muscle they can put on if they train consistently, properly and sensibly for 20 + years naturally, let alone guess someone else's potential. Yes, naturals are never going to come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but a lot of people here drastically underestimate the upper limit of the human body when it comes to bodybuilding naturally.

And one of the reason why i built this thread is that many people dont believe a natural bber having more than 18 inchs arms.
Well, one of my best japanese friend used to have 50cm arms with abs. And he was a solid natural bber.
But he was also soft as a natural bber...

[Ursus]

I know a guy who competes in NABBA.

Juices 5 montsh of year and clean the rest. On stage he is just under 18stone. When he goes clean his heaviest weighthe gets is 22stone - granted he is fatter buthas remnants of top 2 abs and has good vascularity.

When he juices he gets much smaller. He told me NOONE knows what is or is not possible for your own body.

I have no delusions of grandeur but at my current b/f I dontthink me being 265lbs in my lifetime is out of teh realms of possibility. If i get there great - If i dont whatharm have i done to anyone else trying to aspiring for something.

[Mr Nobody]

Simple - Genetics and Hard Training = Reaching your natural potential. Add drugs and take your genetic potential above and beyond.

[dr.chimps]

Is this post a sparring invitation for gh15?

Sevastase incoming with pics and insults in 5...4...3...2...1...

[#1 Klaus fan]

This thread = dilusional.

[kyomu]

Simple - Genetics and Hard Training = Reaching your natural potential. Add drugs and take your genetic potential above and beyond.

Yes.
but i notice that the juice works for more quality than the mass.

[kyomu]

This thread = dilusional.

When did you start bbing?

And also, your post reveal that you are not big.
If you are a big bber, you can believe what i am saying.

[Mr Nobody]

Sevastase incoming with pics and insults in 5...4...3...2...1...

I cant wait

[#1 Klaus fan]

When did you start bbing?

And also, your post reveal that you are not big.
If you are a big bber, you can believe what i am saying.

These things don't matter. I actually agree with you. Naturals can be big if they are fat. We all know this.

[kyomu]

These things don't matter. I actually agree with you. Naturals can be big if they are fat. We all know this.

No. I mean 10% bodyfat around.
Its obvious that you are beginner less than 10yrs experience.

[Nasty Nate]

Kyomu what's keeping you from using anything? It's not like you're lifetime natural... your cherry been popped long ago as you said and Paco is a good friend of yours... plus you live in spain right? Just do it.

[physicsgeek]

Would you not have to be very massive before your cutting phase to be natural and come in 10% body fat at 202 lbs??