Misunderstanding about natural limit.

[Cleanest Natural]

This guy(I know him very well) is 100% pure natural.
His bodyfat is really low. But he looks kind of soft.

this dude would be a fucking 123 lbs skinny midget off hormones at that bodyfat

conclusion : you are either incredibly dumb and retarded or you are a liar

I go with no 2

[dr.chimps]

Was the term appropriate to use there? I'm not a native English speaker (writer). 

Yes, indeedy. Posted like an excerpt from a Congressional hearing on the Iraq War.

[Method101]

This guy(I know him very well) is 100% pure natural.
His bodyfat is really low. But he looks kind of soft.

His bodyfat is not even under 10% hope this helps, hes soft

[kyomu]

His bodyfat is not even under 10% hope this helps, hes soft

Oh my...........
You are too young to know that.
Bit more respect for a old geek like me.

Same guy with his double bi back.

[nukkaready]

this dude would be a fucking 123 lbs skinny midget off hormones at that bodyfat

conclusion : you are either incredibly dumb and retarded or you are a liar

I go with no 2

well said... Sev!

[kyomu]

well said... Sev!

Yet, this midget guy owns those skinny fat physic of you guys.

[njflex]

OH BOY ,,kymou ur friend looks good and pretty hard at that wt and above shot,legs are soft fr to back due to reason 1 ,genetic like u have in legs area getting dry and it could be part of asian genetic "naturally"i am excluding all asian bbers on drugs who could and do rectify the problem.

[kyomu]

OH BOY ,,kymou ur friend looks good and pretty hard at that wt and above shot,legs are soft fr to back due to reason 1 ,genetic like u have in legs area getting dry and it could be part of asian genetic "naturally"i am excluding all asian bbers on drugs who could and do rectify the problem.

His legs are his problem area. Small and soft.

Mines are big and also have hard time to be harden up.

[Mars]

he looks small

[keanu]

this dude would be a fucking 123 lbs skinny midget off hormones at that bodyfat

conclusion : you are either incredibly dumb and retarded or you are a liar

I go with no 2

Nobody can gain more then 15 lbs without the juice, lol. I'd say he's on something because of the muscle seperation and cut, but he's not exactly carrying tons of size.

[kyomu]

he looks small

Not small.
But smaller than me. Yes.

Here I am talking about the hardness of the natural bbers.
He looks soft in spite of his BF%.

[njflex]

Not small.
But smaller than me. Yes.

Here I am talking about the hardness of the natural bbers.
He looks soft in spite of his BF%.

ok ,,soft issue,posed your friend looks pretty hard as i said,its relaxed and standing next to a user is where u would see the difference.and even standing alone and he does his poses and then relaxed u will see and i think thats the point ur trying for,

[kyomu]

ok ,,soft issue,posed your friend looks pretty hard as i said,its relaxed and standing next to a user is where u would see the difference.and even standing alone and he does his poses and then relaxed u will see and i think thats the point ur trying for,

Exactly.
Of course he is harder than 90% of Getbigers.
But, if he comes here(spain) and stand next to the heavy juicers of his category(-70kg),maybe he looks same size or bit more bigger but he will look way softer.

[Mars]

[suckmymuscle]

Just he is a drug dealer and he must act like that.

  Exactly. I've said many times that GH15 is a steroid dealer getting out a good laugh at getbiggers pretending to be an I.F.B.B pro.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Mr Nobody]

Exactly.
Of course he is harder than 90% of Getbigers.
But, if he comes here(spain) and stand next to the heavy juicers of his category(-70kg),maybe he looks same size or bit more bigger but he will look way softer.

"Be still like a mountain and flow like a great river." Lao Tse.

[Mars]

they look like grashoppers

[Mr Nobody]

they look like grashoppers

LOL

[local hero]

I think Tom Platz said it best... "A body is like a car...and steroids are like putting wax on it."

Steroids work differently for different people...I get a lot harder...and little bigger...but really it just makes me look better...then again my natural bodyweight is fairly big. (about 230-240 at 5"11 at about 12-13% bodyfat)...I only jump up about 10-15 pounds on gear.

M!

ha ha... tom plats is full of shit... told my pals at a seminar years ago that he took 4 12 week cycles a year every year.... thats a lot of wax, lying c.unt!

[kyomu]

they look like grashoppers

agreed.

[WillGrant]

kyomu is as natural as a cock in a man's anus

LOL 

[BIG ACH]

Kyomu, I disagree 100% with you - I believe its Size thats mostly effected and determined by a person's Natural Limit, and not hardness.

Thats why in natural organizations there is a higher emphasis on hardness and being conditioned as opposed to size.

In comparison to NPC shows where there is more of an emphasis on size as opposed to conditioning.

[Van_Bilderass]

A natural can get ripped. Look at Iggy Pop.

[DK II]

A natural can get ripped. Look at Iggy Pop.

Iggy Pop is on roids, no way  you can achieve his mass and conditioning naturally.

3g roids,,,,, easily,,, he would be,,, 30lbs witout roids,,,

[Schmoe Buster]

ha ha... tom plats is full of shit... told my pals at a seminar years ago that he took 4 12 week cycles a year every year.... thats a lot of wax, lying c.unt!

Tom Platz is a complete tool, he was never off gear while he competed, when he retired well see how he shrunk,except his jaw, into a skinny sack of skin and bones shit, this moron said all he took for the 1980 Olympia was 400mg Deca per week and 30mg Winstrol a day, or some bullshit, almost as stupid as that other moron Robby Robinson and his 1 shot of primobolan to win Mr World bullshit