Misunderstanding about natural limit.

[The ChemistV2]

Here it is bigger, am I soft?

Excellent conditioning..great job. Were your carbs extremely low..or are you one of those guys who doesn't go real low?

[kyomu]

You are saying that if you juice you can look hard with a HIGH bodyfat?

Exactly, even high in BF(Ok, there is a limit of course.), they look hard as rock.

[BIG ACH]

Exactly, even high in BF(Ok, there is a limit of course.), they look hard as rock.

Ok - that I will actually agree with you on.  You see that in pros all the time, off-season bloated and all but still seeing a full six pack!

[kyomu]

Ok - that I will actually agree with you on.  You see that in pros all the time, off-season bloated and all but still seeing a full six pack!

If you meet those juicers in gym and take a look at their forearms and arms. Its veiny and tight as if their bodyfat is low.
Then ask them if they show their abs, some of them even dont have 1 pack.

[Croatch]

I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.

This is the truth.

Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.

Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.

Impossible, GH15 said so.

[kyomu]

Impossible, GH15 said so.

So exactly, how do you think?

[mesmorph78]

I dunno about that kyomu
Im 218 nat low bf
it depends on the individual

[kyomu]

I dunno about that kyomu
Im 218 nat low bf
it depends on the individual

Again, Looking hard and looking cut is two different thing.

[Mr Nobody]

Again, Looking hard and looking cut is two different thing.

Big Ach shows you can get hard and cut however for him to gain more size and maintain the same conditioning being natural is the hard thing to do.

[mesmorph78]

i look hard and i am cut
nothing like a pro....of course

[kyomu]

Big Ach shows you can get hard and cut however for him to gain more size and maintain the same conditioning being natural is the hard thing to do.

However I dont see him harder than juicers.

[kyomu]

i look hard and i am cut
nothing like a pro....of course

Then you are not hard.
And even amateur juicers look harder than the most of pros.

[mwbbuilder]

However I dont see him harder than juicers.

Do you think you are even close to your "natural limit"?

If not, spend your time getting there and not getting everyone to agree with you that you can't expect very much because you are natural.

You all sound like whiny little bitches. Just train and get as big and hard as YOU can.

and, STFU!

[kyomu]

Do you think you are even close to your "natural limit"?

If not, spend your time getting there and not getting everyone to agree with you that you can't expect very much because you are natural.

You all sound like whiny little bitches. Just train and get as big and hard as YOU can.

and, STFU!

I am doing it already. So whats the point?

[mwbbuilder]

It's like starting a thread: You can only bench press so much weigh without drugs.

Yeah? So what, Captain Obvious?

Unless you are the measure of a natural that everyone should be compared to, what the point? You have no idea what a person can do.

Everyone just needs to get as big and as hard as they can without you telling them what the limit is because you and the other weak minded losers on this board have no idea either.

What YOUR point? To get little 16 years old on this board to agree with your limits?

You are a weak man. Do a better job of hiding it.

[Milos_Sarcev]

I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.

This is the truth.

Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.

Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.

15000mg/week natural like yourself K-Y (jelly) OMU (on-my-uterus)

[Mr Nobody]

[Mr Nobody]

15000mg/week natural like yourself K-Y (jelly) OMU (on-my-uterus)

LMAO

[kyomu]

It's like starting a thread: You can only bench press so much weigh without drugs.

Yeah? So what, Captain Obvious?

Unless you are the measure of a natural that everyone should be compared to, what the point? You have no idea what a person can do.

Everyone just needs to get as big and as hard as they can without you telling them what the limit is because you and the other weak minded losers on this board have no idea either.

What YOUR point? To get little 16 years old on this board to agree with your limits?

You are a weak man. Do a better job of hiding it.

If I dont agree with you, I would quit competing next year against juicers.
Just i say general opinion and I said it FOR NOW.
Hopefuly I can be a person who deny what i am saying next year.... who knows?

So you call me a weak mind..Possibly... Then show me your pic and prove yourself in front of me how strong minded you are.

[kyomu]

15000mg/week natural like yourself K-Y (jelly) OMU (on-my-uterus)

Famous Milos is challenging me?
Do you doubt if i am natural?

If it is, Can I make it a offcial bet here?

[Mr Nobody]

Famous Milos is challenging me?
Do you doubt if i am natural?

If it is, Can I make it a offcial bet here?

kyomu looks like you gained some mass there nice job

[kyomu]

kyomu looks like you gained some mass there nice job

Since last contest 77kg to 85kg now.
I wont gain my weight anymore.
Just maintain and want to improve my hardness.

[Mr Nobody]

Since last contest 77kg to 85kg now.
I wont gain my weight anymore.
Just maintain and want to improve my hardness.

How much will you bet Milos that you are natural?

[kyomu]

How much will you bet Milos that you are natural?

30000euros.

[Vorkosigan]

Then you are not hard.
And even amateur juicers look harder than the most of pros.

Most of the us pro look soft compare to some ama