Author Topic: Misunderstanding about natural limit. (Read 25959 times)

KevinP85 · « **Reply #275 on:** August 08, 2009, 02:49:48 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on August 08, 2009, 02:17:01 AM

so someone who takes steroids always has "signs"?

I would say usually, correct?? Hardness, size, shoulders, big, but still very lean.

Kyomu, while impressive, really doesn't have that "wow," factor that juicers have if you know what I mean. Hard to explain I guess.

kyomu · « **Reply #276 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:36:53 AM »

Quote from: Ryan on August 08, 2009, 02:49:48 AM

I would say usually, correct?? Hardness, size, shoulders, big, but still very lean.

Kyomu, while impressive, really doesn't have that "wow," factor that juicers have if you know what I mean. Hard to explain I guess.

Exactly.
While there is no big difference in the BF level, Hazbin look way harder and tighter than me.(Thats the WOW factor).
And my physique looks soft.

kyomu · « **Reply #277 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:45:28 AM »

Quote from: grab an umbrella on August 08, 2009, 01:50:26 AM

Vince said he had 19's.

Something isn't adding up, either every picture kyomu takes is at a bad angle, or he is....
no, no he cant be...

I refuse to believe he's lying about his arm measurement.

Its impossible that Vince didnt have his arms more than 20inchs.
He is just kidding for sure.
Even my friend measured his arms 51cm in front of us(BF 10% around now with 95kg).
And he is shorter than me too.
Ok. He took 5th place of -85kg category of the Europe championships.
As you see, his arm is smaller than Vince.

WillGrant · « **Reply #278 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:48:19 AM »

kyomu · « **Reply #279 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:54:03 AM »

Quote from: WillGrant on August 08, 2009, 03:48:19 AM

WillGrant · « **Reply #280 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:03:14 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 08, 2009, 03:54:03 AM

Lol joking mate

affeman · « **Reply #281 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:12:20 AM »

Quote from: WillGrant on August 08, 2009, 03:48:19 AM

Angry or hungry?

affeman · « **Reply #282 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:13:30 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 08, 2009, 03:36:53 AM

Exactly.
While there is no big difference in the BF level, Hazbin look way harder and tighter than me.(Thats the WOW factor).
And my physique looks soft.

Who says that there is no big difference in BF level?

kyomu · « **Reply #283 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:14:03 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 08, 2009, 05:12:20 AM

Angry or hungry?

Same question, i was going to ask

kyomu · « **Reply #284 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:14:55 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 08, 2009, 05:13:30 AM

Who says that there is no big difference in BF level?

Oh you see me much mcuh fatter than Hazbin?

affeman · « **Reply #285 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:16:57 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 08, 2009, 05:14:55 AM

Oh you see me much mcuh fatter than Hazbin?

The only thing I see is that he looks much more ripped than you. The question is if that's because he is on roids but not more ripped than you or he is more ripped than you indeed?

kyomu · « **Reply #286 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:21:14 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 08, 2009, 05:16:57 AM

The only thing I see is that he looks much more ripped than you. The question is if that's because he is on roids but not more ripped than you or he is more ripped than you indeed?

Oh yes? Count the number of striations of pecs please.
Please check the abdominal cuts depth please.

affeman · « **Reply #287 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:22:28 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 08, 2009, 05:21:14 AM

Oh yes? Count the number of striations of pecs please.
Please check the abdominal cuts depth please.

He's much more vascular and probably the tan helps too.

kyomu · « **Reply #288 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:25:21 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 08, 2009, 05:22:28 AM

He's much more vascular and probably the tan helps too.

Vascularity comes from juicing since your blood flow increase dramaticaly.
So, not only vascularity, it cause muscle fullness while my muscle dont look so full next to him.

Even I tan my skin, i would look soft next to him.

WillGrant · « **Reply #289 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:23:27 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 08, 2009, 05:12:20 AM

Angry or hungry?

Angry but you can feed it if you like

Meso_z · « **Reply #290 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:43:26 AM »

Quote from: Ryan on August 08, 2009, 02:49:48 AM

I would say usually, correct?? Hardness, size, shoulders, big, but still very lean.

Kyomu, while impressive, really doesn't have that "wow," factor that juicers have if you know what I mean. Hard to explain I guess.

Who is the internet "guru" who came up with these signs as being a steroid user?

as gh15 says its the same as "deca dick", "pct" and all that internet crap.

before juicing i had big round shoulders and extreme hardness, yet everyone accused me of steroids. its all genetic

saucetradomous · « **Reply #291 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:46:21 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on August 08, 2009, 02:17:01 AM

so someone who takes steroids always has "signs"?

ofcourse not.. but from what I know and have done I can tell you his physique is attainable naturally. Anyone who cant believe it does not work hard enough or has shit genetics or the combination of the two.

Ursus · « **Reply #292 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:52:25 AM »

Hazbin looks much leaner than Kyomu.

I would guess 3% leaner

kyomu · « **Reply #293 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:20:30 AM »

Quote from: saucetradomous on August 08, 2009, 07:46:21 AM

ofcourse not.. but from what I know and have done I can tell you his physique is attainable naturally. Anyone who cant believe it does not work hard enough or has shit genetics or the combination of the two.

X2

Nasty Nate · « **Reply #294 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:42:36 AM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on August 05, 2009, 03:47:52 PM

Not even full flexing..... Still soft? Last one....

Hard upper body, soft lower body. You're only proving Kyomu's point with your pictures.

big L dawg · « **Reply #295 on:** August 08, 2009, 11:35:49 AM »

Quote from: turnerg31 on August 08, 2009, 12:46:00 AM

Come on man, give it a rest. Have some faith. It can be done. It's not that big a deal. I don't know why you guys keep going on about it. I've known a few in my day and I'm sure there are some of you who know some too. Not everyone does drugs. Anyway, like I said, debate for the ages. Never gonna be solved her on Getbig.

Pat

I agree bro.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #296 on:** August 08, 2009, 12:42:02 PM »

I pity the fools who think I'm a juicer. I'm just an average guy with great work ethic.

KevinP85 · « **Reply #297 on:** August 08, 2009, 01:35:14 PM »

Quote from: Meso_z on August 08, 2009, 06:43:26 AM

Who is the internet "guru" who came up with these signs as being a steroid user? as gh15 says its the same as "deca dick", "pct" and all that internet crap.

before juicing i had big round shoulders and extreme hardness, yet everyone accused me of steroids. its all genetic

Yes, to some extent, you can obviously tell from a juicer and a non juicer. It's the "wow," factor, like I said, the hardness, lean and big look.

TRUE naturals are not that impressive next to juicers period, of course, but by themselves yes.

I don't agree with everything GH15 says, but he did say something along the lines is that juicers always have that pumped up look 24/7.

kyomu · « **Reply #298 on:** August 08, 2009, 01:38:28 PM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on August 08, 2009, 12:42:02 PM

I pity the fools who think I'm a juicer. I'm just an average guy with great work ethic.

This is Scott Steiner, you stupid.

kyomu · « **Reply #299 on:** August 08, 2009, 01:39:20 PM »

Quote from: Ryan on August 08, 2009, 01:35:14 PM

Yes, to some extent, you can obviously tell from a juicer and a non juicer. It's the "wow," factor, like I said, the hardness, lean and big look.

TRUE naturals are not that impressive next to juicers period, of course, but by themselves yes.

I don't agree with everything GH15 says, but he did say something along the lines is that juicers always have that pumped up look 24/7.

Yes.