Misunderstanding about natural limit.

[Mr Nobody]

This is Scott Steiner, you stupid.

Did Milos take your bet?

[kyomu]

Did Milos take your bet?

Still waiting.

[hazbin]

the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.

so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.

these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.

i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.

[kyomu]

the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.

so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.

these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.

i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.

Since your receptors were flesh, they worked very well with minimum dose.
Too full and vascular for natural.

[big L dawg]

the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.

so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.

these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.

i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.

Damn bro...either way you got an impressive physic.

[dyslexic]

Swimmers are cool...

[kyomu]

Damn bro...either way you got an impressive physic.

Actualy, he looked thicker and better when he was young.

[big L dawg]

Actualy, he looked thicker and better when he was young.

yea but who doesn't look better when there young...unless they didn't work out when they were young.

[hazbin]

Actualy, he looked thicker and better when he was young.

i agree. back then it was more training and diet and  next to no drugs. later on i didn't train or diet that hard and took more drugs. i looked much worse with higher drugs.  that is why i think drugs are less of a factor than naturals think.

[kyomu]

i agree. back then it was more training and diet and  next to no drugs. later on i didn't train or diet that hard and took more drugs. i looked much worse with higher drugs.  that is why i think drugs are less of a factor than naturals think.

Yeah. But If you train hard like your young days and more drugs than young day...
In case, we could see your blue stars saying Pro... who knows?

[hazbin]

Yeah. But If you train hard like your young days and more drugs than young day...
In case, we could see your blue stars saying Pro... who knows?

yes, people always said i would be pro if i wasn't so scared of drugs. it wasn't fear, it was a logic based decision to not damage myself. in retrospect i was way more conservative than i needed to be.

[hazbin]

Yeah. But If you train hard like your young days and more drugs than young day...
In case, we could see your blue stars saying Pro... who knows?

btw, i have no stars at all.

[kyomu]

yes, people always said i would be pro if i wasn't so scared of drugs. it wasn't fear, it was a logic based decision to not damage myself. in retrospect i was way more conservative than i needed to be.

Just you are smart though.
You turned pro...Then you didnt win even one show and paid lots of money and sacrificed your health..
If you are not top 5 of Mr.O, its a bad business.

[The ChemistV2]

yes, people always said i would be pro if i wasn't so scared of drugs. it wasn't fear, it was a logic based decision to not damage myself. in retrospect i was way more conservative than i needed to be.

You made the right move...Yes, loading up on grams a week of androgens, tons of GH, IGf-1, Insulin, thyroid, etc..and I believe you could have turned pro. Yes, you may have had fulfilled a dream (if indeed that was your dream) but at the same time you may have ended up a physical wreck..with kidney transplants, heart problems. Who knows what will happen to guys like Ronnie? I'd rather look like you, still have my health than risk everything and spend a fortune on drugs just to be on a Pro stage (with a big gut probably). Just feel good about yourself and what you accomplished, and be happy you still have your health..because when you spend the rest of your life feeling shitty, life isn't fun and the fact that you were a pro won't mean much.

[Sarcastic Deity]

btw, i have no stars at all.

yes, you have four little gold stars

it means you're the best at being who you are

[kyomu]

yes, you have four little gold stars

it means you're the best at being who you are

Sounds good.

[seste]

Didn't Jay had a income of about 1 million when being Mr.Olympia? Sure that's some money but honestly very very bad for being 'the best person of the sport'

[Nasty Nate]

HAZBIN, can you tell us what drugs and dosages you were on in both early and later part of your amateur career? It's interesting to hear... please be completely honest too.

[WillGrant]

Exactly.
While there is no big difference in the BF level, Hazbin look way harder and tighter than me.(Thats the WOW factor).
And my physique looks soft.

K you should grow a handlebar Moustace like hazbin has in this pic 

[saucetradomous]

K you should grow a handlebar Moustace like hazbin has in this pic 

Has anyone ever met a woman who appreciates a good handle bar mustache? a real woman.

[Van_Bilderass]

You made the right move...Yes, loading up on grams a week of androgens, tons of GH, IGf-1, Insulin, thyroid, etc..and I believe you could have turned pro. Yes, you may have had fulfilled a dream (if indeed that was your dream) but at the same time you may have ended up a physical wreck..with kidney transplants, heart problems. Who knows what will happen to guys like Ronnie? I'd rather look like you, still have my health than risk everything and spend a fortune on drugs just to be on a Pro stage (with a big gut probably). Just feel good about yourself and what you accomplished, and be happy you still have your health..because when you spend the rest of your life feeling shitty, life isn't fun and the fact that you were a pro won't mean much.

IIRC, (and correct me if I'm wrong hazbin), but hazbin said he drinks a lot and takes cycles when his body can't take the booze anymore. That ain't too healthy either.

[kyomu]

K you should grow a handlebar Moustace like hazbin has in this pic 

Oh I am too lazy to trim it like that.

[Mr Nobody]

kyomu - Milos wrote you back on his thread

[kyomu]

kyomu - Milos wrote you back on his thread

Now I go.

P.S. You should pay to us(Me,Sevas and Milos). You are entertained by us too much.

[Mr Nobody]

Now I go.

P.S. You should pay to us(Me,Sevas and Milos). You are entertained by us too much.

LOL Keep entertainning us man.