Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs

[OzmO]

Who cares? The war was about to end!

Who cares?   The people who fought the war and didn't want the existing war mongering militaristic oppressive expansionist Japanese government and military to stay intact and fight another day.

[24KT]

Funny coming from someone who touts MLM as a legitimate business model

MLM is a legitimate business model.

and sells snake oil to people.  . 

I don't sell snake oil, ...but I wouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference.

[Dos Equis]

Beach, maybe you could add a poll to this thread

Great idea Stella.  How do I do that? 

[OzmO]

Hey, a surrender is a surrender...
They had the their terms nonetheless . Introduce superior cheaper cars, introduce superior electronics...They won the war...

No it's not, not even close.  The Japanese are very industrious people, no doubt they survived and did something with their country,  Because we forced them to surrender the way we wanted them to, Tojo and his war mongering cronies were eliminated from ever waging war again and a peaceful productive free nation was born from the ashes.  

REad your history books, study war or simething " a surrender is a surrender..."    com on.

[24KT]

Who cares?   The people who fought the war and didn't want the existing war mongering militaristic oppressive expansionist Japanese government and military to stay intact and fight another day.

The bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki weren't about destroying the military.
The only thing Japan wanted to allow their emperor to remain emperor.

If wiping out an existing war mongering militaristic oppresive expansionist goverment and military is valid reason to brutally and needlessly massacres millions of innocent civilians in an instant, ...you might want to move to another country. Cause when comeuppance comes, ...and it always does, ...it's going to be a bitch!  

[shootfighter1]

Looking back its easier to criticize...thats a lot of dead civilians, which makes me initially lean toward no, we must limit collateral damage in any war...however, we don't have the details and at that point there had been so much death and destruction.  I suppose I could only make that decision at that time with all the info available (and after making sure the Japanese would not consider a surrender on their own knowing there would be grave consequences).  Thats probably what was done, tough, tough decision.

[Soul Crusher]

Jag, if a surrender was underway as you say, why didnt Japan surrender after the first bomb was dropped? 

[shootfighter1]

Adonis, I am all for staying out of regional conflicts (like Vietnam and Iraq) but Hitler was destroying Europe and committing genocide bro...Americans probably supported the war once they found out more of what was going on.
I am very interested in WWII and that time period.  Unfortunately, the war took way too many people (as it nearly always does) and destroyed some of Europe's great cities.  As an admirer of historical architecture, that sucks!

[shootfighter1]

I don't think surrender was on its way...at least not from what I remember reading.  Very good question 33386 (you didn't change your screen name to Patton yet!)

[Parker]

No it's not, not even close.  The Japanese are very industrious people, no doubt they survived and did something with their country,  Because we forced them to surrender the way we wanted them to, Tojo and his war mongering cronies were eliminated from ever waging war again and a peaceful productive free nation was born from the ashes.  

REad your history books, study war or simething " a surrender is a surrender..."    com on.

Agreed with what you stated. But it was the Japanese, or rather, that allowance of Japan to strike PH, that force the America hand (or get the ignorant American public behind the the war) . Churchill couldn't convince or Pres of the grave danger of the Axis powers.

 Japan achieved one of the greatest naval feats in producing the biggest battleship of all time...wouldn't even fit thru the Panama canal.

 But in order to defeat the US, it has been shown, as I stated introduce the goods I stated, use American arrogance against them. The American Big 3 are in trouble, something I doubt that the very conservative Honda, Toyota would be. Introduce far better electronics than the US can match. I'm willing to bet that most of the cars driven to the American of all American things baseball and NASCAR are Japanese vehicles. Nothing says owned more than, actually buying and preferring the goods of a foreign country over your own...No need for guns, a silent war can be raged. And Toyota existed and was strong prior to WWII.

And as someone else stated thru legal or illegal immigration.

[Soul Crusher]

Adonis, I am all for staying out of regional conflicts (like Vietnam and Iraq) but Hitler was destroying Europe and committing genocide bro...Americans probably supported the war once they found out more of what was going on.
I am very interested in WWII and that time period.  Unfortunately, the war took way too many people (as it nearly always does) and destroyed some of Europe's great cities.  As an admirer of historical architecture, that sucks!

Japan also committed mass atrocities in China. 

[headhuntersix]

I'm pretty happy the way WW2 ended and things turned out...only the leftist douchbags enjoy revisionist history. Hey Jag aren't u Filippino....two of my relatives liberated ur country. Ur welcome.

[OzmO]

The bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki weren't about destroying the military.
The only thing Japan wanted to allow their emperor to remain emperor.

If wiping out an existing war mongering militaristic oppresive expansionist goverment and military is valid reason to brutally and needlessly massacres millions of innocent civilians in an instant, ...you might want to move to another country. Cause when comeuppance comes, ...and it always does, ...it's going to be a bitch!  

The bombings were about getting the blindly loyal (to the emperor) and fanatical Japanese government and people to surrender under our terms.  One fire bombing of Tokyo killed more.  The emperor remained the emperor, that was never the issue.  The issue was Japan refusal to surrender unconditionally which meant the militaristic government controlled by Tojo to be dismantled.

Read your history books.

[Fury]

The majority of those surveyed probably weren't aware of all the circumstances surrounding those bombings, including the ongoing surrender talks. There was no reason to murder all those people, ...but ignorance & propaganda over the years have a way of influencing public opinion. In the absence of rationality, morality, or truth, you can always find a majority of people to agree with anything.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire

Ahh yes, but you, in all your GED-carrying and fraudent gas cap selling wisdom, know everything. RIGHT?

Hey, a surrender is a surrender...
They had the their terms nonetheless . Introduce superior cheaper cars, introduce superior electronics...They won the war...

The fuck are you talking about? A surrender isn't a surrender. See, when you're winning the war, you dictate how it goes. Why in our right mind would we have let Japan dictate the terms of their surrender when, you know, we pushed them all the way back to their mainland? Since when do the losers in war get to dictate anything?

They didn't want to unconditionally surrender. They got bombed. Pretty cut and dry.

I value the lives of the 100k+ Americans that would have died had we invaded Japan much more than the Japanese that were killed in the bombings.

[headhuntersix]

Actually reading a history book, by most on here would be a bridge to far. Ask TA...wiki is ur friend. 

Parker....she's a left wing loon...they have no concept of war, history or what it takes to remain free.

[OzmO]

Agreed with what you stated. But it was the Japanese, or rather, that allowance of Japan to strike PH, that force the America hand (or get the ignorant American public behind the the war) . Churchill couldn't convince or Pres of the grave danger of the Axis powers.

 Japan achieved one of the greatest naval feats in producing the biggest battleship of all time...wouldn't even fit thru the Panama canal.

 But in order to defeat the US, it has been shown, as I stated introduce the goods I stated, use American arrogance against them. The American Big 3 are in trouble, something I doubt that the very conservative Honda, Toyota would be. Introduce far better electronics than the US can match. I'm willing to bet that most of the cars driven to the American of all American things baseball and NASCAR are Japanese vehicles. Nothing says owned more than, actually buying and preferring the goods of a foreign country over your own...No need for guns, a silent war can be raged. And Toyota existed and was strong prior to WWII.

And as someone else stated thru legal or illegal immigration.

Japan produced the biggest battleship of all time in the age of carrier warfare making a near obsolete contribution to the war.  

All public groups tend to be ignorant at times.  American didn't want to be in the war.  Japan foolishly gave them a reason and as a result, as Yamato put it, awakened a sleeping Giant.  Also as a result of Japan's attack, american ended up becoming a super power.   Japan's economy flourished in the post war, and they became a economic super power friendly tot he USA.  

[OzmO]

Actually reading a history book, by most on here would be a bridge to far. Ask TA...wiki is ur friend. 

Parker....she's a left wing loon...they have no concept of war, history or what it takes to remain free.

It's funny to see people who obviously have little knowledge on the matter and immediately take liberal passive slant on the history of war.

[Butterbean]

Great idea Stella.  How do I do that? 

In the bottom right area of a page of a thread on a board you mod, there should be an "add poll" button.

Just press the one in this thread and make your poll.  I'm pretty sure it will show up at the top of the first page of this thread. 

[OzmO]

Ahh yes, but you, in all your GED-carrying and fraudent gas cap selling wisdom, know everything. RIGHT?

The fuck are you talking about? A surrender isn't a surrender. See, when you're winning the war, you dictate how it goes. Why in our right mind would we have let Japan dictate the terms of their surrender when, you know, we pushed them all the way back to their mainland? Since when do the losers in war get to dictate anything?

They didn't want to unconditionally surrender. They got bombed. Pretty cut and dry.

I value the lives of the 100k+ Americans that would have died had we invaded Japan much more than the Japanese that were killed in the bombings.

Try, 1,000,000+ dead.  

[Soul Crusher]

It's funny to see people who obviously have little knowledge on the matter and immediately take liberal passive slant on the history of war.

That is because they live in dream world 99% of the time where up is down and white is black.  

[headhuntersix]

Warfare always hindges on a few things, such as Germany building heavy bombers or Japan building more flat tops instead of heavy cruisers and the massive battleships.

[George Whorewell]

 

Right down party lines without even looking at who posted what I can tell.

You cant have a serious debate with Jaguar about anything that doesnt involve holding hands and pretending everyone is equal and  that there are no good guys or bad guys. In her world, she gets to judge what happens years later and then she forms her opinion based on her own misinformed and nonsensical ideology. Arguing with her about things like war, law enforcement and terrorism is like trying to persuade a delusional quadripeligic into  coming to terms with the fact that they wont ever become a green beret. Its obvious to the point of absurdity, but brainwashed zealots are impervious to logic and reason.

240 believes any conspiracy theory there is, no matter how ridiculous. I have my own conspiracy theory. Here it is: You are a douchebag. Actually, its not a conspiracy at all, its just reality.

As far as bombing Japan goes, of course it was horrible. Countless civilians were vaporized, not once but twice. However, it gives me greater pause to think of what might have happened if such drastic action were not taken against the Japanese; who by all accounts were complete madmen. Forget about the kamikaze missions ( which were really just suicide bombings in uniform), the rape of nanking and the other attrocities committed in China are enough to make anyones stomach turn. They were crazy, violent and by all accounts willing to do anything to win. We gave them the chance to surrender peacefully and they declined. We then bombed them into the stone age and they surrendered. Cause= Effect.

Hopefully we never have to do that again, but if its 1 million civilians in Iran or North Korea or anywhere versus America getting nuked or hit with biological weapons, I would like to think our government would do what needs to be done.

I dont think Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinijhad or Bin Laden are coming to the whitehouse for beer and weenies anytime soon.

[Soul Crusher]

Right down party lines without even looking at who posted what I can tell.

You cant have a serious debate with Jaguar about anything that doesnt involve holding hands and pretending everyone is equal and  that there are no good guys or bad guys. In her world, she gets to judge what happens years later and then she forms her opinion based on her own misinformed and nonsensical ideology. Arguing with her about things like war, law enforcement and terrorism is like trying to persuade a delusional quadripeligic into  coming to terms with the fact that they wont ever become a green beret. Its obvious to the point of absurdity, but brainwashed zealots are impervious to logic and reason.

240 believes any conspiracy theory there is, no matter how ridiculous. I have my own conspiracy theory. Here it is: You are a douchebag. Actually, its not a conspiracy at all, its just reality.

As far as bombing Japan goes, of course it was horrible. Countless civilians were vaporized, not once but twice. However, it gives me greater pause to think of what might have happened if such drastic action were not taken against the Japanese; who by all accounts were complete madmen. Forget about the kamikaze missions ( which were really just suicide bombings in uniform), the rape of nanking and the other attrocities committed in China are enough to make anyones stomach turn. They were crazy, violent and by all accounts willing to do anything to win. We gave them the chance to surrender peacefully and they declined. We then bombed them into the stone age and they surrendered. Cause= Effect.

Hopefully we never have to do that again, but if its 1 million civilians in Iran or North Korea or anywhere versus America getting nuked or hit with biological weapons, I would like to think our government would do what needs to be done.

I dont think Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinijhad or Bin Laden are coming to the whitehouse for beer and weenies anytime soon.

Great post as always.  With that, this debate should be settled IMHO.

[headhuntersix]

Yes great post. I won't argue the merits of the historical debate because I think we've settled it again...as this crops up every few monhs for some reason. Its fun to see where everybody settles on on this.

[OzmO]

Warfare always hindges on a few things, such as Germany building heavy bombers or Japan building more flat tops instead of heavy cruisers and the massive battleships.

Or attacking Russia opening a 2 front war, letting the English escape at Dunkirk, insisting the Me-262 become a bomber, building expensive tanks and rushing them into service, Kursk, Stalingrad, Panzer divisions outside of Caen, and the list goes on and on.  

Or Japan repressing and oppressing the Filipinos when there was already anit-american sentiment, starting a war with the hopes of suing for peace.