Poll

Do you support dropping WWII atom bombs on Japan?

Yes
20 (74.1%)
No
5 (18.5%)
Undecided
2 (7.4%)

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2009, 08:39:44 PM »
I'm pretty happy the way WW2 ended and things turned out...only the leftist douchbags enjoy revisionist history. Hey Jag aren't u Filippino....two of my relatives liberated ur country. Ur welcome.

I can be Philipino if you like. I consider it no insult. As long as I don't have to eat balut, ...I'm fine.  :D
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2009, 08:49:04 PM »
Really I can't find a fucking thing about these MPGcaps that gives more than a hard sell. I bet you don't even know what the "pills" are made of. They were designed for/by NASA? Really I wasn't aware rockets or the space shuttle used gasoline or diesel engines. Oh and then there are the complaints about fuel systems damage.

Maybe you're looking in the wrong place?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson%27s_catalyst
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2009, 08:49:56 PM »
9 to 1?

Wow!


Who wants to guess who the one was?

Twasn't me, ...I'm only now just seeing the poll.
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2009, 08:50:47 PM »
Maybe you're looking in the wrong place?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson%27s_catalyst

A.  Wikipedia?  Really?  If you would like to have an intelligent debate about this, lets do it.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2009, 08:52:46 PM »
Which chemist won the Nobel Prize for designing gas caps? I'd love to read about them.  ::)

Sir Geoffrey Wikinson won the Nobel prize in chemistry for his study of the technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson%27s_catalyst

Why you people insist on throwing completely unrelated off topic issues into a discussion is beyond me.  ::)
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2009, 08:57:22 PM »
A.  Wikipedia?  Really?  If you would like to have an intelligent debate about this, lets do it.

I'm done debating it. It is what it is. Millions of dollars worth of this product is happily purchased throughout the world, and I'm quite content with my ongoing residual income as a result. Customers are happy with their purchases, they're able to increase their mileage, reduce their emissions, ...and the world is a much better, cleaner place. If you doubt it, ...don't buy it. It's really very simple.
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2009, 09:04:25 PM »
Lol, i did it our of pure boredom

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #82 on: August 04, 2009, 09:15:14 PM »
Wow.  4  now.

You passive house cats.   ;D

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #83 on: August 04, 2009, 10:37:48 PM »
Actually reading a history book, by most on here would be a bridge to far. Ask TA...wiki is ur friend.  ::)

Parker....she's a left wing loon...they have no concept of war, history or what it takes to remain free.

Actually, I have limited knowledge on military history, world and US history--that would be my strong point, and lets not get into flora and fauna.

HH6, I guess, you were directing a statement towards me, because I'm no "she" ;).

Here is a question...Had Germany and Japan won, who do you think would have won between them...and which side would have persuaded the US, to fight with them?

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2009, 01:58:59 AM »
240 do u have any idea how intel worked back then. They lost an entire fleet, radar was rudimentary, and couldn't detect Carrier launched aircraft let alone several carrier battlegroups. Bud u need to disconnect the net and spend a month reading ur history, military as well as political...and get back to us.

In an interesting bit of alternate universe thought,...if the US Navy had been successful in lighter than air operations.(the Zeppelins) It is thought by some that with a couple of air ships patrolling over the Pacific that the oncoming carrier force would have been sighted.  This was the very reason they tried so hard to make the airships work. (Macon, Los Angeles, Akron, Shenandoah,...they all crashed ) It is known that the Japanese force had orders that if they were detected, they were to cancel the attack.

Also there is some telecommunication components to the situation.  While it is true that some in Washington had strong suspicions that something was about to happen, (due to decryption) they couldn't just pick up a telephone and ring up Pearl Harbor. 
1) There was no telephone cable under the pacific to Hawaii then, they would have had to use a radio link.
2) They didn't want anyone to know that Washington was decrypting the Japanese ciphers.
3) They knew that the Axis Powers could decrypt the best telephone scrambler the United States had at the time, in real time.
4)  So they send the famous encrypted cable gram through Western Union which arrives while the attack is underway.

Because of this Bell Labs develop Sigsally, the first digital phone scrambler in the early months of the War.  This is also why the United States military is so obsessed with communications.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2009, 09:09:25 AM »
Arthur McCollum and the Hull memo.  Look it up.   Don`t need to say anymore than that.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2009, 09:03:14 PM »
Arthur McCollum and the Hull memo.  Look it up.   Don`t need to say anymore than that.

The McCollum memo means little in the grand scheme of things pertaining to how the bureaucracy and decision making processes in the military are handled. It was a single memo, memos go out all the time like this. I'm not debating it's real, but it's a memo. Not policy or a set directive. One person may have read it, or 1,000 or none.

And what about the "Hull Memo"? It was a declaration of terms to the Japanese. We wanted them out of China, amongst other things (and to get China to open its markets to U.S. goods). If accepted, the U.S. would end the oil embargo. And of course the Japanese were going to say 'no', take a look at their expansion, warmongering and atrocities up to that point. Our oil embargo was crippling their ability to wage war and conquer. In hindsight, they probably should have accepted Cordell Hull's terms and saved themselves the annihilation they received.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2009, 09:11:20 PM »
Amazing how the fire bombing of Tokyo is forgotten.

The Little boy and Fat Man bombs were buy far, less inhumane then the fire bombing.

The notion of Japan unconditionally surrendering before this happened is a joke.
They tried that in WW1 and all it caused was WW2.

Jag you should read some Canadian history. Sir Aurthur Currie wanted to roll into Berlin.
But the rest of the alliance pussied out. Even though Canada was spear heading the greatest 100 days.

As for the bombs you can look to Canadian technology, Heavy Water  and Uranium in making it happen.
It was our greatest nuclear achievement. Yet you don't hear much about it.
Great Post

The Japanese displayed their fanaticism during every battle the U.S. military had with them. Land, air and sea. Totally devoted to the God Emperor, they were never going to surrender, never. We fired bombed them, destroyed their navy, choked off their resources,
de-housed what was left of their able population, the list goes on...yet no surrender. What makes anyone think different? Some crazed heartfelt notion or poorly understood history? The Japanese govt. had to be dismantled and the U.S. would then write them a constitution and help get the Japanese get back on their feet...which leads us to another thread for another day.

The bombs were to make sure they got the point and accepted Americas terms. The bombs also showed the Russians to stay put in Eastern Europe as well as let us and the W. Europeans to disarm and spend the capital and time on rebuilding.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2009, 10:45:50 PM »
Jagilicious are you Flip or any combination of the sort? you can pm if youd rather...i keep secrets very well  8)

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #89 on: August 06, 2009, 12:41:22 AM »
Arthur McCollum and the Hull memo.  Look it up.   Don`t need to say anymore than that.

Planners had been expecting an attack/war from Japan since the 1920's...One military man named Billy Mitchell during his court martial in the mid 1920's famously testified on the record that he expected an attack/war with Japan...


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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #90 on: August 06, 2009, 05:04:40 AM »
Planners had been expecting an attack/war from Japan since the 1920's...One military man named Billy Mitchell during his court martial in the mid 1920's famously testified on the record that he expected an attack/war with Japan...



Mitchell was way ahead of his time.

People point to the Cordell/McCullum memo's like they're some huge revelation or a smoking gun to prove their Conspiracy Theory. Those documents are neither.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2009, 08:47:47 AM »
Planners had been expecting an attack/war from Japan since the 1920's...One military man named Billy Mitchell during his court martial in the mid 1920's famously testified on the record that he expected an attack/war with Japan...


Change Expecting to Inviting and Provoking and you will be on the correct path.  With around 90 percent of the country not wanting a war, FDR purposely provoked the Japanese and knew through McCollum and other agents that the strike would occur where it did.  A memo was sent a year ago before Pearl Harbor by the Japanese Ambassador to the Whitehouse stating that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor as a Central and main target.


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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #92 on: August 06, 2009, 12:11:51 PM »
Yet an attack on Pearl Harbor was thought to be a reach by Japanese forces. An easier attack on the Aluetians was looked at as a possibility. This memo is not a smoking gun but continues to mold a picture of what happened. The facts that Japan attacked, would have been good enough to get us into a war. Sinking our fleet and killing 3000 plus sailors, Marines and airmen was not what Roosevelt had in mind.
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #93 on: August 06, 2009, 12:19:21 PM »
Change Expecting to Inviting and Provoking and you will be on the correct path.  With around 90 percent of the country not wanting a war, FDR purposely provoked the Japanese and knew through McCollum and other agents that the strike would occur where it did.  A memo was sent a year ago before Pearl Harbor by the Japanese Ambassador to the Whitehouse stating that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor as a Central and main target.



Are the memo's official policy statements?

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #94 on: August 06, 2009, 12:26:37 PM »
No...its a smart guy expounding a theory or plan to see what play it gets at higher circles. We do this alot now. Back then a memo from an 04 carries about as much weight as it does now.....
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #95 on: August 06, 2009, 12:27:14 PM »
Yet an attack on Pearl Harbor was thought to be a reach by Japanese forces. An easier attack on the Aluetians was looked at as a possibility. This memo is not a smoking gun but continues to mold a picture of what happened. The facts that Japan attacked, would have been good enough to get us into a war. Sinking our fleet and killing 3000 plus sailors, Marines and airmen was not what Roosevelt had in mind.
Exactly.

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #96 on: August 06, 2009, 12:32:06 PM »
More to the point...so what. Things worked out as they did and I'm pretty happy about it.
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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2009, 12:35:37 PM »
No...its a smart guy expounding a theory or plan to see what play it gets at higher circles. We do this alot now. Back then a memo from an 04 carries about as much weight as it does now.....
Roosevelt kept McCollum pretty close to his side.  McCollum was born in Japan in 1898 and studied there after the Naval Academy for three years where his concentration was Culture and Language of the Orient.  After serving on nearly every single type of ship and commanding some as well, he was the head of the Far East section of the Office of Naval Intelligence and assistant attatche to the American Embassy in Tokyo.

He was also Fleet Intelligence Officer on the Staff of Commander In Chief, US Fleet. (a direct line to the President).


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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2009, 01:18:13 PM »
Sir Geoffrey Wikinson won the Nobel prize in chemistry for his study of the technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson%27s_catalyst

Why you people insist on throwing completely unrelated off topic issues into a discussion is beyond me.  ::)

Haha, so you're trying to piggy back your product on the research of a Nobel Chemist? Fuck off out of here with your snake oil shit, clown.  ::)

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Re: Poll: Most Americans Support Dropping WWII Atom Bombs
« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2009, 01:24:22 PM »
Haha, so you're trying to piggy back your product on the research of a Nobel Chemist? Fuck off out of here with your snake oil shit, clown.  ::)

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