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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2009, 08:24:39 PM »
Simply put...

You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).

Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).

These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.

After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.

There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.


If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.


What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.

The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).

One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).


Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.

...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.


So don't get ripped off... do your own research.


Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.



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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2009, 08:27:32 PM »
More like a sign of inferior genetics...

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2009, 08:37:01 PM »
this is just conjecture........but i have been around the gear scene for a long time........it always appeared to me, the best responders to anabolics, were the ones who went bald early from it..............i dont know how their physiology might work, or if they have a more efficient converstion, and that is where the DHT cones from, but yeah, ronnie, nasser, flex wheeler, palumbo, shawn ray...........alot fo the guys who go bald early from juice seem to be hyperresponders


You havent being around the gear scene long enough to realize that Ronnie is not bald ?


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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2009, 08:48:47 PM »
You havent being around the gear scene long enough to realize that Ronnie is not bald ?


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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2009, 09:18:16 PM »
Simply put...

You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).

Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).

These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.

After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.

There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.


If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.


What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.

The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).

One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).


Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.

...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.


So don't get ripped off... do your own research.


Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.



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well explained .  it's the 5-alpha reductase enzyme that causes the conversion.

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2009, 09:25:07 PM »
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2009, 10:11:26 PM »
Simply put...

You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).

Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).

These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.

After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.

There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.


If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.


What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.

The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).

One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).


Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.

...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.


So don't get ripped off... do your own research.


Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.



The Luke


Simplt put, you are a bald bastard otherwise you wouldnt know all this.... But props for the scientific insight, interesting

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2009, 10:15:35 PM »

Simplt put, you are a bald bastard otherwise you wouldnt know all this.... But props for the scientific insight, interesting

...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.

But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.


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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2009, 10:21:33 PM »
...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.

But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.


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Smart man, I have an idiot friend that's 1/2 way bald (like dr. Phil but not quite there yet) and I told him to get propecia a good 8-10 years ago when he still had a full head of hair and had just started to lose it... stupid moron didn't listen to me and now he's half way bald and miserable.

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2009, 10:26:44 PM »
I'm getting paranoid to the point where I ask the stylist if she thinks I'm thin every time. I think its about to happen. My pops is pretty much bald. Is that product for preventative measures or reparative?(repairative)

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2009, 12:16:41 AM »
not petite men who do eat meat=body always taking a break and not firing up there metabolism constantly like bigger guys. bigger guys with huge rancid metabolisms tend to be more bald
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2009, 12:20:38 AM »
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2009, 12:21:42 AM »
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2009, 12:31:10 AM »
...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.

But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.


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I had a doctor that supervised my cycles, and he had me get a pill splitter and split 5mg tabs into two 2.5 tabs.  the same content as Propecia, but covered by insurance because they were prostate pills.  Also a prescription lasted twice as long...

A plus is that you will prevent the onset of BPH...

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2009, 12:34:48 AM »
I have extremely thick hair, but I think it's starting to thin/recede on my temples like this guy...

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2009, 12:50:27 AM »
More like a high ratio if testosterone being converted to DHT.
which suggests there is more test in the body to begin with.

One thing i noticed is that the people who were going bald at 18 in my school already had almost full facial hair lol.

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2009, 03:43:38 AM »
which suggests there is more test in the body to begin with.

One thing i noticed is that the people who were going bald at 18 in my school already had almost full facial hair lol.
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2009, 03:51:06 AM »
Some say yes some say no.

Not necessarily. There can be countless reasons for hairloss, Testosterone is just one of em.

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2009, 03:51:55 AM »
Where did the link about T levels and hair loss come from?

Why does T make some people lose hair?

I am seriously going epically bald epically fast - I dontcare much but obviously if i had choice i would elect to keep my hair.
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2009, 03:58:35 AM »
Falcon with a diet like that it's no wonder you developed gyno.

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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2009, 06:46:09 AM »
I have extremely thick hair, but I think it's starting to thin/recede on my temples like this guy...



Balding at the apex of the temples has nothing to do with male pattern balding, it's a different effect and doesn't seem to have any relation to full balding.

It has more to do with the loss of a sort of stunted hair that rings the forehead, somewhat analagous to lanula hair.

Don't worry about this, it's not MPB till you start to thin on top and at the crown of your head.



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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2009, 08:31:37 AM »
Baldness is determined by genetics, not test levels.  If a guy's genes do not predispose him to baldness, you can pump 3g of test per week into him and he won't lose his hair.
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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2009, 10:45:14 AM »
Balding at the apex of the temples has nothing to do with male pattern balding, it's a different effect and doesn't seem to have any relation to full balding.

It has more to do with the loss of a sort of stunted hair that rings the forehead, somewhat analagous to lanula hair.

Don't worry about this, it's not MPB till you start to thin on top and at the crown of your head.



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Re: Is premature baldness an indicator or high T levels?
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