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yes or no?

Does every american over the age of 65 have free health care, paid for by the govt?


Is this major argument simply about whether those folks under age 65 can have this same right?

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2009, 12:10:19 PM »
yes or no?

Does every american over the age of 65 have free health care, paid for by the govt?


Is this major argument simply about whether those folks under age 65 can have this same right?

No.  These people paid taxes already on their income and have paid for this already.  Its not free.  Granted they take far more out now than they paid in, but it is not free.   

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2009, 12:18:38 PM »
No.  These people paid taxes already on their income and have paid for this already.  Its not free.  Granted they take far more out now than they paid in, but it is not free.   

Okay.  So a guy doesn't work for his entire life.  He's homeless, in jail, or just plain lazy.  he never pays a single dime in taxes.

He turns 65.  Does he get free (govt provided) healthcare?

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2009, 12:19:51 PM »
Okay.  So a guy doesn't work for his entire life.  He's homeless, in jail, or just plain lazy.  he never pays a single dime in taxes.

He turns 65.  Does he get free (govt provided) healthcare?
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Those people get Medicaide.

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2009, 12:22:47 PM »
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Those people get Medicaide.

who pays for that by the way?

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2009, 12:23:07 PM »
Those people get Medicaide.

Obama's bill = giving medicaid to people under 65 also?

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2009, 12:23:50 PM »
No. Additionally each state sets the level of coverage under the medicad and medicare program
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidEligibility/03_MandatoryEligibilityGroups.asp#TopOfPage
Mandatory Eligibility Groups

States have some discretion in determining which groups their Medicaid programs will cover and the financial criteria for Medicaid eligibility. To be eligible for Federal funds, states are required to provide Medicaid coverage for most people who get Federally assisted income maintenance payments, as well as for related groups not getting cash payments. Some examples of the mandatory Medicaid eligibility groups include the following:

    * Limited income families with children, as described in Section 1931 of the Social Security Act, who meet certain of the eligibility requirements in the state's Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) plan in effect on July 16, 1996;
    * Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients (or in States using more restrictive criteria--aged, blind, and disabled individuals who meet criteria which are more restrictive than those of the SSI program and which were in place in the State's approved Medicaid plan as of January 1, 1972);
    * Infants born to Medicaid-eligible pregnant women. Medicaid eligibility must continue throughout the first year of life so long as the infant remains in the mother's household and she remains eligible, or would be eligible if she were still pregnant;
    * Children under age 6 and pregnant women whose family income is at or below 133% of the Federal poverty level. (The minimum mandatory income level for pregnant women and infants in certain States may be higher than 133% percent, if as of certain dates the State had established a higher percentage for covering those groups.) States are required to extend Medicaid eligibility until age 19 to all children born after September 30, 1983 (or such earlier date as the State may choose) in families with incomes at or below the Federal poverty level.  Once eligibility is established, pregnant women remain eligible for Medicaid through the end of the calendar month in which the 60th day after the end of the pregnancy falls, regardless of any change in family income. States are not required to have a resource test for these poverty level related groups. However, any resource test imposed can be no more restrictive than that of the AFDC program for infants and children and the SSI program for pregnant women;
    * Recipients of adoption assistance and foster care under Title IV-E of the Social Security Act;
    * Certain people with Medicare; and
    * Special protected groups who may keep Medicaid for a period of time. Some examples include people who lose SSI payments due to earnings from work or increased Social Security benefits; and families who are provided 6 to 12 months of Medicaid coverage following loss of eligibility under Section 1931 due to earnings, or 4 months of Medicaid coverage following loss of eligibility under Section 1931 due to an increase in child or spousal support.
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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2009, 12:25:28 PM »
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Those people get Medicaide.

Depends on the state, but most cover only those that can't support themselves.

However someone that works hard their entire life and saves money might not get covered.
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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2009, 12:25:58 PM »
so while the coverage may vary by state-

as it currently stands, if you are 65 years old and have never worked a day in your life, you STILL get some level of free health care?  paid for by taxpayers who DONT get free health care?

If that is the case, I think we have socialism in place already  :-\


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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 12:28:26 PM »
so while the coverage may vary by state-

as it currently stands, if you are 65 years old and have never worked a day in your life, you STILL get some level of free health care?  paid for by taxpayers who DONT get free health care?

If that is the case, I think we have socialism in place already  :-\



Sure,
Every developed country has a minimum standard of care.
You can't let poor people die on the streets.
Your country isn't India or Zimbabwe.
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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2009, 12:33:24 PM »
who pays for that by the way?

The states and counties.  I live in Westchester County, literally on the Bronx border, and our biggest expense on the county level is medicaid. 

The feds make the states pay it.  The states make the counties kick up to the state, etc. 

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2009, 12:40:25 PM »
I'd say we either give it to everyone, or give it to no one.

If a 65-year old lady gets something better than a 64-year old lady (neither having worked a day in their lives), that's just plain weak.

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2009, 12:46:31 PM »
I think a lot of people are confused about what governments provide already and what the extend of the extra coverage will be.

I see the problems stemming from the US congress passing bills they haven't read, written by and for Lawyers.

The average American has no chance of understanding the basics of much of this legislation and congress has shown no ownership of it.

The Tea party rallies and the health care rallies are all signs of this.

Getting back to your point though, much of what you call "socialist" has been in place and operating since the 30's.
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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2009, 12:47:12 PM »
I'd say we either give it to everyone, or give it to no one.

If a 65-year old lady gets something better than a 64-year old lady (neither having worked a day in their lives), that's just plain weak.

In this case both would probably be covered to the same extent.

Depends on the state though.
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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2009, 01:13:57 PM »
In this case both would probably be covered to the same extent.

Depends on the state though.

When I see dozens of seniors at these meetings protesting govt provided health care, I'm confused.

They just don't want young people to have the same treatement they get (even if they didn't pay taxes?)

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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2009, 01:14:58 PM »
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so while the coverage may vary by state-

as it currently stands, if you are 65 years old and have never worked a day in your life, you STILL get some level of free health care?  paid for by taxpayers who DONT get free health care?

If that is the case, I think we have socialism in place already  Undecided

240,

medicare "part A"  (Hospital) You earn it, by paying for it (while you worked)

Medicare "part B"  ( Doctors Visits) you pay 96.40 a month for it


Medicare A and B :

You choose your hospital, you choose your doctor, you go in when you want, as often as you want,  If by chance You go to a Doctor, and their is a long line, you find a new one next time.  ( you chose)

you dont need a referral to go to a specialist.  

You earned it ( you worked and paid for it)  and it is good.



Medicaid:  for the poor ( including  people age 65 and older)

You have a doctor chosen for you,  you have more red tape,   Clinics that take Medicaid have longer waiting times, you cant just go to a specialist without getting an approval.

 it is free.


Their is a difference in the 2


The reason Seniors are scared,  and protesting :

Under the new Obama care,   Medicare is basically done away with, and everyone is put on something worse than Medicaid.  Allot Worse!



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Re: In the USA, do people over the age of 65 have socialized healthcare?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2009, 01:35:47 PM »
When I see dozens of seniors at these meetings protesting govt provided health care, I'm confused.

They just don't want young people to have the same treatement they get (even if they didn't pay taxes?)

Your question related to work. Not age.

Anyway that is the way I answered it.
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