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Analysts Expect Long-Term, Costly U.S. Campaign in Afghanistan

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 9, 2009



As the Obama administration expands U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, military experts are warning that the United States is taking on security and political commitments that will last at least a decade and a cost that will probably eclipse that of the Iraq war.

Since the invasion of Afghanistan eight years ago, the United States has spent $223 billion on war-related funding for that country, according to the Congressional Research Service. Aid expenditures, excluding the cost of combat operations, have grown exponentially, from $982 million in 2003 to $9.3 billion last year.

The costs are almost certain to keep growing. The Obama administration is in the process of overhauling the U.S. approach to Afghanistan, putting its focus on long-term security, economic sustainability and development. That approach is also likely to require deployment of more American military personnel, at the very least to train additional Afghan security forces.

Later this month, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is expected to present his analysis of the situation in the country. The analysis could prompt an increase in U.S. troop levels to help implement President Obama's new strategy.

Military experts insist that the additional resources are necessary. But many, including some advising McChrystal, say they fear the public has not been made aware of the significant commitments that come with Washington's new policies.

"We will need a large combat presence for many years to come, and we will probably need a large financial commitment longer than that," said Stephen Biddle, a senior fellow for defense policy at the Council on Foreign Relations and a member of the "strategic assessment" team advising McChrystal. The expansion of the Afghan security force that the general will recommend to secure the country "will inevitably cost much more than any imaginable Afghan government is going to be able to afford on its own," Biddle added.

"Afghan forces will need $4 billion a year for another decade, with a like sum for development," said Bing West, a former assistant secretary of defense and combat Marine who has chronicled the Iraq and Afghan wars. Bing said the danger is that Congress is "so generous in support of our own forces today, it may not support the aid needed for progress in Afghanistan tomorrow."

Some members of Congress are worried. The House Appropriations Committee said in its report on the fiscal 2010 defense appropriations bill that its members are "concerned about the prospects for an open-ended U.S. commitment to bring stability to a country that has a decades-long history of successfully rebuffing foreign military intervention and attempts to influence internal politics."

The Afghan government has made some political and military progress since 2001, but the Taliban insurgency has been reinvigorated.

Anthony H. Cordesman, another member of McChrystal's advisory group and a national security expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told reporters recently that even with military gains in the next 12 to 18 months, it would take years to reduce sharply the threat from the Taliban and other insurgent forces.

The task that the United States has taken on in Afghanistan is in many ways more difficult than the one it has encountered in Iraq, where the U.S. government has spent $684 billion in war-related funding.

In a 2008 study that ranked the weakest states in the developing world, the Brookings Institution rated Afghanistan second only to Somalia. Afghanistan's gross domestic product in 2008 was $23 billion, with about $3 billion coming from opium production, according to the CIA's World Factbook. Oil-producing Iraq had a GDP of $113 billion.

Afghanistan's central government takes in roughly $890 million in annual revenue, according to the World Factbook. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has pointed out that Afghanistan's national budget cannot support the $2 billion needed today for the country's army and police force.

Dutch Army Brig. Gen. Tom Middendorp, commander of the coalition task force in Afghanistan's southern Uruzgan province, described the region as virtually prehistoric.

"It's the poorest province of one of the poorest countries in the world. And if you walk through that province, it's like walking through the Old Testament," Middendorp told reporters recently. "There is enormous illiteracy in the province. More than 90 percent cannot write or read. So it's very basic, what you do there. And they have had 30 years of conflict."

Unlike in Iraq, where Obama has established a timeline for U.S. involvement, the president has not said when he would like to see troops withdrawn from Afghanistan.

White House officials emphasize that the burden is not that of the United States alone. The NATO-led force in the country has 61,000 troops from 42 countries; about 29,000 of those troops are American.

Still, military experts say the United States will not be able to shed its commitment easily.

The government has issued billions of dollars in contracts in recent years, underscoring the vast extent of work that U.S. officials are commissioning.

Among other purposes, contractors have been sought this summer to build a $25 million provincial Afghan National Police headquarters; maintain anti-personnel mine systems; design and build multimillion-dollar sections of roads; deliver by sea and air billions of dollars worth of military bulk cargo; and supervise a drug-eradication program.

One solicitation, issued by the Army Corps of Engineers, is aimed at finding a contractor to bring together Afghan economic, social, legal and political groups to help build the country's infrastructure. The contractor would work with Afghan government officials as well as representatives from private and nongovernmental organizations to establish a way to allocate resources for new projects.

"We are looking at two decades of supplying a few billion a year to Afghanistan," said Michael E. O'Hanlon, a senior fellow and military expert at the Brookings Institution, adding: "It's a reasonable guess that for 20 years, we essentially will have to fund half the Afghan budget." He described the price as reasonable, given that it may cost the United States $100 billion this year to continue fighting.

"We are creating a [long-term military aid] situation similar to the ones we have with Israel, Egypt and Jordan," he said.

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Yeah its either make an attempt to win...not sure thats possible in that country or watch it burn and then play wackamole when AQ regains a foothold. Very smart people are advocating for both sides. I know the military experts on here try and link both wars but they aren't the same. While tribal,  Iraq was a functioning country with well educated people, an infrastructure and trade. Afghanistan is rural, never any real central government...massively tribal to the exclusion of all else and very currupt. They've had near 40 years of war and there aren't any very smart people left. I think we need smaller numbers of troops, enough to wack the bad guys. If the UN wants to rebuild, let em, but I'm not sure its our job anymore. We've gone well beyond the fix what u break phase and these people really don't care.
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 Copyright 2009 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday Mail Ltd.


 
 
CRACKSHOT CHRISTOPHER KILLS TALIBAN WARLORD.. FROM ONE MILE AWAY;
AMAZING SHOT BY HERO SCOT IN AFGHANISTAN WAR ZONE
 

A CRACKSHOT Scots squaddie has killed a feared Taliban warlord - from a mile away.

Corporal Christopher Reynolds shot the high profile Afghan drug baron dead during ferocious fighting, notching up the longest range confirmed kill in Afghanistan.

The 25-year-old waited on a shop rooftop in southern Afghanistan for three days to take out the top-level Taliban commander - called Musa - who co-ordinated dozens of attacks against British and US soldiers.

Cpl Reynolds, of 3 Scots, The Black Watch, has already killed 32 other Taliban fighters during some of the hardest fighting of the Afghan campaign.

His comrade, Sergeant Daniel Buist, carried out another amazing attack on the Taliban.

He killed one of their snipers - who spoke with a Birmingham accent - who was shooting from a tiny hole in a wall more than half a mile away.

Cpl Reynolds, from Dalgety Bay, in Fife, took out his target from more than 1500 metres away.

He said: "We were in a bazaar in Babaji for days in some very heavy fighting and had taken up a position on a shop roof to observe the surrounding area. From the first few minutes after we landed, we came into contact with the enemy.

Trajectory

"We were taking fire all the time. We were observing down the valley and I saw a group of five Taliban. I identified one straightaway as the commander because I watched him through the scope and when he spoke on the radio, the other one would do what he said.

"I saw that he had a weapon, an AK47. We did all the calculations for range, windspeed and all that. I have to admit the first round landed next to him. We were so far away that he didn't even realise he was being shot at.

"We changed our aim and when I took into account different factors like the trajectory of the bullet, my gun scope was actually aiming at the top of a doorway. I fired and the bullet went off, coming down and hitting him in the chest.

"He dropped straight away into the arms of a fighter behind him.

"The guy just panicked and dropped the leader and ran away.

"He had been given a lead sleeping tablet. I was quite proud of that shot - it is the longest recorded kill in Afghanistan. I am going to use that fact as a chat-up line in the pub when I get back home."

Lance Corporal David Hatton, 20, from Castlemilk, serves alongside Cpl Reynolds.

He said: "We had been in position for three days when he made that shot. I was the spotter on that job and I was giving him the information about the target.

"He did a top job that day - but we are all sick about him going on about it and telling us what a great shot he is."

Another Scots soldier in the same unit, Sergeant Daniel Buist, carried out another amazing feat using a state-of-the-art Javelin missile launcher which costs pounds 70,000 each time its fired.

Sergeant Buist used his Javelin to kill a sniper who was shooting through a tiny hole half a mile away in the bandit country around Babaji.

He said: "The guy was getting more accurate with every shot and his bullets were starting to land among my guys' feet.

"We could hear through our communications gear that he was speaking English at times. It was thought that he could have been a Brit as he may have had what sounded like a Brummie accent.

Smoke

"We got in touch with our snipers who told us that he was using a wall with a hole dug through it, to shoot at us.

"He had made a mistake when he fired and a puff of smoke appeared from the wall. I could see the shape of his head and shoulders and the outline of his gun.

"I fired and the missile went straight through the hole that the Taliban had cut out the wall to fire from.

"It was a real bullseye. The missile never even did any damage to the other wall - it just took out our target.

"A patrol later went to the position and confirmed the kill. There was nothing left but a lot of blood and rags. The remains had been dragged away by other Taliban. It can be gruesome but I had to stop that guy from taking out my men."

Yesterday, the Allied successes continued. It was confirmed that Pakistan's Taliban chief had been killed in a CIA missile strike.

Baitullah Mehsud, who led a campaign of suicide attacks and assassinations, died on Wednesday.

Pakistan officials confirmed off the record that his body had been buried in nearby Nardusai.

Mehsud had al-Qaeda connections and was a suspect in the killing of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto. 
 
SCOTTISH HEROES: Cpl Christopher Reynolds, left, and his spotter David Hatton, centre. Right, Sergeant Daniel Buist with his Javelin RIGHT ON TARGET: Christopher, right, made the amazing shot which took out the warlord with the help of his spotter Daniel, left
 
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I have a buddy who did two tours there.   He told me some real screwed up shit.  Told it was very cold, very rural, very dark, and that there is literally nothing there. 

No aminals, little or no water, no electricity, nothing at all.

He told me he got stuck sleeping in -20 degree weather a few times and had to use all though emergency blankets.  .  .   

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In places its a big friggen rock...if ur at a FOB or a COP..ur waaaay out there. If a dust storm hits and birds can't fly...ur not getting resupplied. In places it like the worst parts of Apocalypse Now. The country sucks and very unforgiving.
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cant win there.   claim victory and get the hell out

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cant win there.   claim victory and get the hell out

My friend told me its completely tribal over there, no newspapers, radio, tv, nothing. 

He told me about some insane crap about murders and people doing crazy stuff. 

He told me its useless to stay there.   

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My friend told me its completely tribal over there, no newspapers, radio, tv, nothing. 

He told me about some insane crap about murders and people doing crazy stuff. 

He told me its useless to stay there.   
very tribal, family mobs, no rule of law outside the capitol.  decalre victory and get the hell out. 

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very tribal, family mobs, no rule of law outside the capitol.  decalre victory and get the hell out. 

There isn't a trace of an organized civil society. Best situation is that we crush AQ/Taliban and then what? Do we stay 100 years until we have created a civil society from the ground up?

No thanks.

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cant win there.   claim victory and get the hell out

it worked in iraq.

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