Keith Olbermann now compares tea parties to Hamas and Hezbollah!!!

[BM OUT]

May 2, 1933 in History
 
Event:
In Germany, Adolf Hitler bans trade unions

http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/1933/may_2_1933_91972.html

Even Hitler saw the threat posed by unions. 

In Mein Kampf, he lauded them as necessary then once in power, he got all republican on them.

Some Socialist, hey?

Hitler also took over the health care system in Germany in order to control ever aspect of Germans lives.Sound familiar?

[tonymctones]

Hitler also took over the health care system in Germany in order to control ever aspect of Germans lives.Sound familiar?

and got ppl to rat on their friends and neighbors...lol

[Decker]

Hitler also took over the health care system in Germany in order to control ever aspect of Germans lives.Sound familiar?

No he didn't.  UHC preceded the rightwing nazis by some 50-60 years. 

http://www.photius.com/countries/germany/society/germany_society_development_of_the_h~1372.html

Bismark was ahead of his time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Health_Insurance_Bill_of_1883

If I were cynical, I'd point out your response is typical for those attacking UHC...you just make shit up to prove your point.

[Al Doggity]

If I were cynical, I'd point out your response is typical for those attacking UHC...you just make shit up to prove your point.

[Kazan]

No he didn't.  UHC preceded the rightwing nazis by some 50-60 years. 

http://www.photius.com/countries/germany/society/germany_society_development_of_the_h~1372.html

Bismark was ahead of his time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Health_Insurance_Bill_of_1883

If I were cynical, I'd point out your response is typical for those attacking UHC...you just make shit up to prove your point.

Do you know what NAZI stands for? National Socialism, how is socialism right wing? Nazi's were for cradle to the grave healthcare.

[Decker]

Do you know what NAZI stands for? National Socialism, how is socialism right wing? Nazi's were for cradle to the grave healthcare.

Did the german workers own the means of production?

The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi "Charter of Labor" gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the "leader of the enterprise," and read: "The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise."(1)
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
1. William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1960), p. 263.

So the Nazi political/economic frame resembled the Fascist leaning Bush II administration more than anything else - financial elites mixing with governmental 'opportunities.'

[BM OUT]

No he didn't.  UHC preceded the rightwing nazis by some 50-60 years. 

http://www.photius.com/countries/germany/society/germany_society_development_of_the_h~1372.html

Bismark was ahead of his time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Health_Insurance_Bill_of_1883

If I were cynical, I'd point out your response is typical for those attacking UHC...you just make shit up to prove your point.

Bismarck took it over,then it went away from government control,then Hitler took it back over as one of the mainstays of his government.

By the way,to say the NAZIS were left wing or right wing AND THEN COMPARE TO TO AMERICA IS SILLY.The Germans were one folk,they were the same and those that werent were eliminated.Here we have too may races with their own agendas to try to compare it to ANYTHING the Germans did.

[Soul Crusher]

Did the german workers own the means of production?

The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi "Charter of Labor" gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the "leader of the enterprise," and read: "The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise."(1)
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
1. William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1960), p. 263.

So the Nazi political/economic frame resembled the Fascist leaning Bush II administration more than anything else - financial elites mixing with governmental 'opportunities.'

Oh, and Obama's takeover of GM, the banks, cap & trade, the goldman sachs cronies, etc is not the same thing???

[Kazan]

Did the german workers own the means of production?

The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi "Charter of Labor" gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the "leader of the enterprise," and read: "The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise."(1)
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
1. William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1960), p. 263.

So the Nazi political/economic frame resembled the Fascist leaning Bush II administration more than anything else - financial elites mixing with governmental 'opportunities.'

Ah Bush is president anymore, if you think that the same thing isn't happening under Obama, I've got some ocean front property for sale in Indiana. You need to take a long hard look at the government and you might understand they don't fucking care what you or I want, they only care about what they want. And what do they want? More power and more control.

[Decker]

Bismarck took it over,then it went away from government control,then Hitler took it back over as one of the mainstays of his government.

No it didn't.  It's still in effect to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Germany

By the way,to say the NAZIS were left wing or right wing AND THEN COMPARE TO TO AMERICA IS SILLY.The Germans were one folk,they were the same and those that werent were eliminated.Here we have too may races with their own agendas to try to compare it to ANYTHING the Germans did.

Einstein was a German. 

The corporate/elitest gambit is not even essential of Nazism.  It's just that both the republicans of the US, as repped by Bush, and the Nazis of Germany believed in prosperity through the marriage of big privately owned business and government.  (and ransacking foreign countries for profit)

[Decker]

Oh, and Obama's takeover of GM, the banks, cap & trade, the goldman sachs cronies, etc is not the same thing???

No they are not.

[Kazan]

No they are not.

Why are they not? Because "your" guy is doing it?

[Soul Crusher]

No they are not.

Please Decker - you are a complete joke.  What about firing the CEO of GM and the treatment of the Chrysler bondholders? 

What about the 28 CZARS? 

[Decker]

Why are they not? Because "your" guy is doing it?

Rather than prove a negative, you tell me why the nexus exists.

[Soul Crusher]

Rather than prove a negative, you tell me why the nexus exists.

The government tookover Chrysler, GM, the banks, and is trying to take over energy and health care. 

Yet in Deckers little dream world this is not fascism. 

only because its Obama.  If Bush did this you would be screaming. 

 

[Decker]

Please Decker - you are a complete joke.  What about firing the CEO of GM and the treatment of the Chrysler bondholders? 

What about the 28 CZARS? 

Does the firing of the CEO of GM sound like a marriage btn private business owners and big government?

Or does Bush's big gov. working hand-in-glove with guys like Kenny Boy Lay and big tobacco, and big lumber, and big oil, etc.  sound a little closer to the  matter at hand?  Didn't Bush kick unions in the balls by scrapping worker safety laws?  What about freeing up the housing market by scrapping mortgage oversight laws?  How about the decimation of investment oversight regulations.  How'd those compare?  How'd those work out?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/apr/27/usa.julianborger

28 Czars?

You bring up a valid point.

Just a second.  hahahahahahaha

[Soul Crusher]

Does the firing of the CEO of GM sound like a marriage btn private business owners and big government?

Or does Bush's big gov. working hand-in-glove with guys like Kenny Boy Lay and big tobacco, and big lumber, and big oil, etc.  sound a little closer to the  matter at hand?  Didn't Bush kick unions in the balls by scrapping worker safety laws?  What about freeing up the housing market by scrapping mortgage oversight laws?  How about the decimation of investment oversight regulations.  How'd those compare?  How'd those work out?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/apr/27/usa.julianborger

28 Czars?

You bring up a valid point.

Just a second.  hahahahahahaha

He fired the CEO of GM so he could appoint his own people in there. 

You really are blind.  If Bush did anything like Obama is doing you would be apoplectic. 

[Decker]

The government tookover Chrysler, GM, the banks, and is trying to take over energy and health care. 

Yet in Deckers little dream world this is not fascism. 

only because its Obama.  If Bush did this you would be screaming. 

 

It's not fascism.

Why don't you tell us what fascism is and why a bailout of GM and the banks is fascist?

[Decker]

He fired the CEO of GM so he could appoint his own people in there. 

You really are blind.  If Bush did anything like Obama is doing you would be apoplectic. 

Really? 

So now you are making my arguments for me.  Why should I bother?

What is fascism and what is fascist about the bail outs?

[Soul Crusher]

Really? 

So now you are making my arguments for me.  Why should I bother?

What is fascism and what is fascist about the bail outs?

The bailouts are fascistic in the sense that the government demanded ownership as a condition of the bailout. 

We have bankruptcy laws for a reason and these failed entities should have gone through that process the normal way without the govt demanding ownership and control. 

But what do you care?  Obama can do anything and its ok. 

 

[Decker]

The bailouts are fascistic in the sense that the government demanded ownership as a condition of the bailout. 

We have bankruptcy laws for a reason and these failed entities should have gone through that process the normal way without the govt demanding ownership and control. 

But what do you care?  Obama can do anything and its ok. 

 

What is a fascism?

How does the government's 60% ownership of a company that was doomed to death constitute fascism?

[Kazan]

Does the firing of the CEO of GM sound like a marriage btn private business owners and big government?

Or does Bush's big gov. working hand-in-glove with guys like Kenny Boy Lay and big tobacco, and big lumber, and big oil, etc.  sound a little closer to the  matter at hand?  Didn't Bush kick unions in the balls by scrapping worker safety laws?  What about freeing up the housing market by scrapping mortgage oversight laws?  How about the decimation of investment oversight regulations.  How'd those compare?  How'd those work out?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/apr/27/usa.julianborger

28 Czars?

You bring up a valid point.Just a second.  hahahahahahaha

You are operating under the illusion that the President can just do whatever he wants. There is a system of checks and balances. The appointing of these Czars is bullshit because of the simple fact there is no congressional oversite, yet these guys seem to have all this power. What about the Pay Czar? Where does he get his power to decide how much money people can make? Congress didn't give it to him, so now you are OK if the POTUS just decides that some guy he appoints is going to decide how much you can make? That is not only bullshit it usurps the constitution and checks and balances that the government is supposed to run under. If that isn't fucking fascism I don't know what is.

[James]

[Soul Crusher]

What is a fascism?

How does the government's 60% ownership of a company that was doomed to death constitute fascism?

FROM WIKIPEDIA

fascism (usually uncountable; plural fascisms)

A political regime, usually totalitarian, ideologically based on centralized government, government control of business, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy.

By vague analogy, any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting and violence against largely unarmed populations.

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That definition fits the Obamanation to the tee. 

1.  Centralized Govt - Check
2.  Government control of business - Check
3.  Cult like following - check
4.  Repression of opposition - getting there by the day - Obama snitch program is a good start to this. 

[24KT]

Thugs intimidating people like executives at AIG by showing up at their house and screaming at their kids is what ACORN does.Stop trying to cover up their thug bullshit.Im going to a couple of Mike Pence town halls this month,Im praying that ACORN or those pussy union fage show up and scream at me.Im not granny.Some union pussy or ACORN punk ass comes toward me and they will be leaving for the hospital.Enough of the left intimidating people.

Ya tough guy, ...you do that, ...and while they leave for the hospital, ...the cops will be carting your ass off to jail.
Good Luck with the adoption after that! Why don't you just go to the meeting and keep your mouth shut, and let the presenters speak? You might actually learn something rather than relying on Nancy Reagan's War on Drugs mantra. It was as bs and ineffectual 25 yrs ago as it is today. Sheesh, ...when are these Republicans going to come up with something new & fresh, rather than regurgitating stupid one liners from the 80's. I feel like I should get a pair of parachute pants and start playing tunes by bleached out Glam Rockers in spandex pants wearing shaggy mullets.