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The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« on: August 10, 2009, 08:33:17 PM »
Obama's agreement with Big Pharma may help healthcare reform pass, but it may also mean higher drug prices for you

By Robert Reich

Aug. 10, 2009 | I'm a strong supporter of universal health insurance, and a fan of the Obama administration. But I'm appalled by the deal the White House has made with the pharmaceutical industry's lobbying arm to buy their support.

Last week, after being reported in the Los Angeles Times, the White House confirmed it has promised Big Pharma that any healthcare legislation will bar the government from using its huge purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices. That's basically the same deal George W. Bush struck in getting the Medicare drug benefit, and it's proven a bonanza for the drug industry. A continuation will be an even larger bonanza, given all the boomers who will be enrolling in Medicare over the next decade. And it will be a gold mine if the deal extends to Medicaid, which will be expanded under most versions of the healthcare bills now emerging from Congress, and to any public option that might be included. (We don't know how far the deal extends beyond Medicare because its details haven't been made public.)

Let me remind you: Any bonanza for the drug industry means higher healthcare costs for the rest of us, which is one reason why critics of the emerging healthcare plans, including the Congressional Budget Office, are so worried about their failure to adequately stem future healthcare costs. To be sure, as part of its deal with the White House, Big Pharma apparently has promised to cut future drug costs by $80 billion. But neither the industry nor the White House nor any congressional committee has announced exactly where the $80 billion in savings will show up nor how this portion of the deal will be enforced. In any event, you can bet that the bonanza Big Pharma will reap far exceeds $80 billion. Otherwise, why would it have agreed?

In return, Big Pharma isn't just supporting universal healthcare. It's also spending lots of money on TV and radio advertising in support. Sunday's New York Times reports that Big Pharma has budgeted $150 million for TV ads promoting universal health insurance, starting this August (that's more money than John McCain spent on TV advertising in last year's presidential campaign), after having already spent a bundle through advocacy groups like Healthy Economies Now and Families USA.

I want universal health insurance. And having had a front-row seat in 1994 when Big Pharma and the rest of the health-industry complex went to battle against it, I can tell you firsthand how big and effective the onslaught can be. So I appreciate Big Pharma's support this time around, and I like it that the industry is doing the reverse of what it did last time, and airing ads to persuade the public of the rightness of the White House's effort.

But I also care about democracy, and the deal between Big Pharma and the White House frankly worries me. It's bad enough when industry lobbyists extract concessions from members of Congress, which happens all the time. But when an industry gets secret concessions out of the White House in return for a promise to lend the industry's support to a key piece of legislation, we're in big trouble. That's called extortion: An industry is using its capacity to threaten or prevent legislation as a means of altering that legislation for its own benefit. And it's doing so at the highest reaches of our government, in the office of the president.

When the industry support comes with an industry-sponsored ad campaign in favor of that legislation, the threat to democracy is even greater. Citizens end up paying for advertisements designed to persuade them that the legislation is in their interest. In this case, those payments come in the form of drug prices that will be higher than otherwise, stretching years into the future.

I don't want to be puritanical about all this. Politics is a rough game in which means and ends often get mixed and melded. Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that's the case, our democracy is in terrible shape. How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation? When will it become standard practice that such deals come with hundreds of millions of dollars of industry-sponsored TV advertising designed to persuade the public that the legislation is in the public's interest? (Any Democrats and progressives who might be reading this should ask themselves how they'll feel when a Republican White House cuts such deals to advance its own legislative priorities.)

We're on a precarious road -- and wherever it leads, it's not toward democracy.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/10/pharma/

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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 03:36:23 AM »
It's bullshit.

The lobbyists are holding all the politicians by the balls.


Fcuked up.
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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 04:42:48 AM »
It's bullshit.

The lobbyists are holding all the politicians by the balls.


Fcuked up.

Yup! 

This is why I want to govt out of all these things.  The govt conspires with the huge corps to screw us. 

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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 07:15:32 AM »
Yup! 

This is why I want to govt out of all these things.  The govt conspires with the huge corps to screw us. 

I guess it's better to let big corps run the whole show, eh?  ::)
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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 07:19:35 AM »
I guess it's better to let big corps run the whole show, eh?  ::)

Yes.  An evil corporation is not as evil as an evil govt. 

An evil corp cant put you in jail you, tax you, execute you, etc.

You are completely free not to purchase a product or service from a corp in the free market, unless of course the govt aids and aibets that corp in clearing out competion? 
 

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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 08:32:41 AM »
Yes.  An evil corporation is not as evil as an evil govt. 

An evil corp cant put you in jail you, tax you, execute you, etc. 
 

Look at Nigeria, practically run by Shell. They got their own army and pretty much their own rules down there.

Or Madagaskar - run by Monsanto.
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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 08:34:06 AM »
Look at Nigeria, practically run by Shell. They got their own army and pretty much their own rules down there.

Or Madagaskar - run by Monsanto.

Isnt there a dictator running Nigeria named Mugabe? 

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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 11:12:56 AM »
Isnt there a dictator running Nigeria named Mugabe? 
Mugabe is in Zimbabwe.
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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 11:30:06 AM »
Mugabe is in Zimbabwe.

Ok.  But if you look at the worst excesses of history, it is by rougue govts not rougue corporations.

Criminal corporations can be dealt with peacably.  Criminal govts rule by the sword and bullet. 

Big difference.     

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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 07:05:40 PM »
It's bullshit.

The lobbyists are holding all the politicians by the balls.


Fcuked up.

I have yet to click through to the link to see if the links holds any further clarification,
...but I will say that this isn't as scary as it appears at first blush. it did seem quite troubling to me, however, it could be interpreted as quite balanced & prudent thinking on the part of the White house.

The obama administration isn't anti-capitalist. They don't want to drive industries into the ground.
For them to use their massive buying power against the drug companies would be a form of extortion. I understand the high cost of drugs and the years of R&D that goes into making them. They do need to recoup those costs, ...however, there is nothing in stone that says the government cannot purchase generic. It really means nothing when you can buy generic

In many cases when we pay for a brand, ...we're paying for nothing more than the brand name.
if we can get the same value at a lower price... why not. Let those who want to pay for the brands do so. There is only a limited amount of time when restrictions to the manufacture of generic drugs lasts.

If Big Pharma wants to sell a pill for $50... let them. It doesn't mean you have to buy it when there is a $1 alternative of equal efficacy. That's where the doctor patient relationship comes in. The doctor who prescribes can simply stipulate 'no substitutions'.

What this does show however, is that the primary motivator to all the opposition we've seen against heathcare reform is profit, ...pure & simple.

I wonder how the health insurance companies will respond to a prescription saying 'no substitution'.
Will they permit healthcare to be between a physician and his/her patient, ...or will they continue placing themselves in the mix interefering with the doctor/patient relationship, and making decisions for the patient?
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Re: The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 07:29:44 PM »
Hmmmm... Since we have a democratic congress and a democratic president; Wouldn't that mean that the DEMOCRATS  are in the pockets of the EVIL CORPORATIONS?

Gee Golly-- I thought only the evil republicans were on the greedy corporate payrolls.  :-\