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Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« on: August 11, 2009, 06:11:00 AM »
My guess is that 2 things happen.

1) FOXnews and the insurance companies rally a whole lot of loud, ignorant screamers to yell over obama.

2) Obama stays cool and just reads his stump speech.


Wednesday news AM, Obama looks under control and the media shows the 4 screaming idiots over and over.  Obama gains from this.  Surely his team has calculated every angle, and they don't need to do a town hall.  I think they'll make gains from this, or they wouldn't be doing it.

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 06:24:57 AM »
My guess is that 2 things happen.

1) FOXnews and the insurance companies rally a whole lot of loud, ignorant screamers to yell over obama.

2) Obama stays cool and just reads his stump speech.


Wednesday news AM, Obama looks under control and the media shows the 4 screaming idiots over and over.  Obama gains from this.  Surely his team has calculated every angle, and they don't need to do a town hall.  I think they'll make gains from this, or they wouldn't be doing it.

No one will disrupt it.However,one thing for sure EVERYTHING he says will be a bundle of lies.He will say you can keep your existing insurance-a lie.He will say there is no death panel-a lie.He will say abortions arent paid for-a lie.He will lie ,as he always does,and the scum bag media like that half wit Olbermann and idiot Mathews will say "it was the greatest thing Ive ever heard.The man is god".

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 06:40:42 AM »
They'll let him talk because they don't want the larger public seeing their tactics.  If they started yelling and not letting Obama talk, I think the public would turn against them in pretty big numbers.  So I think they should dig into the republican bag of tricks and plant a bunch of people to act like they've been acting at these town hall meetings.  hahaha...

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 06:43:14 AM »
No one will disrupt it.

both sides (FOX and MSNBC) are reporting it's open to anyone, not DNC operatives.  There are also massive protests outside for those who can't get in.  It's raining there now, which may dampen some spirits.

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 06:52:08 AM »
Obama will dispel the lies and myths of the Death Panels, no retard care and the other outrageous fictitious machinations that have been manufactured.


It will be interesting to see it done and it will embarrass those who really believed them to be true.

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 06:53:35 AM »
wow, would a Bush town hall have been open to all? 

I would like to know what you guys on the right would think of Obama if he had everyone sign loyalty oaths and or be matched against a blacklist to get in?

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 07:08:21 AM »
Obama will dispel the lies and myths of the Death Panels, no retard care and the other outrageous fictitious machinations that have been manufactured.


It will be interesting to see it done and it will embarrass those who really believed them to be true.

TA - did you already forget my post about Emaunels' brother and his quotes? 

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 07:17:50 AM »
TA - did you already forget my post about Emaunels' brother and his quotes? 
what do you think of Obama making this open to everyone?

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 07:18:07 AM »
TA - did you already forget my post about Emaunels' brother and his quotes? 
I think you are interpreting things the wrong way.  While I do not like any plan offered so far as it is not Single Payer, which is true Universal Healthcare, it is outright egregious to pretend that there are death panels and the denial to retards or what have you.

All Obama`s plan is, you keep the shitty insurance companies at the table as they currently are.  He adds an optional public option that you can choose and that you do have to pay for if you choose it.

Nothing changes other than costs may go down a bit to compete with the public option.  The Private Plans are going nowhere.  Don`t you worry.  They will still be teh suck that they are now.  This is the type of healthcare that you will like as nothing really changes.

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 07:20:23 AM »
Obama will dispel the lies and myths of the Death Panels, no retard care and the other outrageous fictitious machinations that have been manufactured.


It will be interesting to see it done and it will embarrass those who really believed them to be true.

The death panel is true.You are FORCED to get end of life councling every 5 years.The dems lie and say its not mandatory but the bill says it is mandatory.THATS a death panel.You cant keep your insurance.It does pay for abortions and doctor assisted suicides.He will lie and say "this isnt true" just like he says "I never heard any of that in Wrights church" the man is a born liar!

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 07:20:38 AM »
what do you think of Obama making this open to everyone?

I think its disgusting and outrageous.  Illegal aliens need to go home, not be afforded more taxpayer funded benes.  

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 07:25:49 AM »
The death panel is true.You are FORCED to get end of life councling every 5 years.The dems lie and say its not mandatory but the bill says it is mandatory.THATS a death panel.You cant keep your insurance.It does pay for abortions and doctor assisted suicides.He will lie and say "this isnt true" just like he says "I never heard any of that in Wrights church" the man is a born liar!
In case you haven`t realized, the Insurance companies are basically writing the healthcare plan and are all at the table.  You get to keep your plan, nothing changes.  You will just get to choose a Public option if you want it and you will have to pay for that too if you want it.

There is no death panel in the public option or private.  I am not sure what private insurance you have so I cannot speak what is in that particular policy, but you probably are not covered in end of life decisions or prolonged experimental procedures while on life support.  Obama wants to change this for Private Insurance as well as the Public option.

At least on the public option, these things will be covered.  That is all that is stated in regards to End of Life.  Hopefully this will apply to Private plans as well as you do not want to be denied these services.

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 07:30:28 AM »
In case you haven`t realized, the Insurance companies are basically writing the healthcare plan and are all at the table.  You get to keep your plan, nothing changes.  You will just get to choose a Public option if you want it and you will have to pay for that too if you want it.

There is no death panel in the public option or private.  I am not sure what private insurance you have so I cannot speak what is in that particular policy, but you probably are not covered in end of life decisions or prolonged experimental procedures while on life support.  Obama wants to change this for Private Insurance as well as the Public option.

At least on the public option, these things will be covered.  That is all that is stated in regards to End of Life.  Hopefully this will apply to Private plans as well as you do not want to be denied these services.

The bill CLEARLY states,if you leave your job,you can not keep your insurance.You are FORCED to go to the government option.Thats is not keeping your insurance.

Now,here is a simple question.Please name ONE government agency that is run well.

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 07:31:49 AM »
Also, Obama wants Hospice care to be covered with no denial by the Private and Public options.  This is a good thing as this service is denied a lot of the times at the costs of thousands, even into the hundreds of thousands.  Sometimes patients can live in Hospice care for a few years even and it not be covered.  You don`t want this to be denied, especially when you or a loved one is basically in Hospice waiting to die.  

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 07:32:35 AM »
In case you haven`t realized, the Insurance companies are basically writing the healthcare plan and are all at the table.  You get to keep your plan, nothing changes.  You will just get to choose a Public option if you want it and you will have to pay for that too if you want it.

There is no death panel in the public option or private.  I am not sure what private insurance you have so I cannot speak what is in that particular policy, but you probably are not covered in end of life decisions or prolonged experimental procedures while on life support.  Obama wants to change this for Private Insurance as well as the Public option.

At least on the public option, these things will be covered.  That is all that is stated in regards to End of Life.  Hopefully this will apply to Private plans as well as you do not want to be denied these services.

Have you even read the bill? Yeah you get to keep your existing insurance, but after the bill is passed the insurance companies cannot write a policy after that date. So if your company decides it wants to change you are fucked, if you leave your job for another your fucked. Page 16 of the House bill read it, know it , live it.
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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 07:35:56 AM »
Also, Obama wants Hospice care to be covered with no denial by the Private and Public options.  This is a good thing as this service is denied a lot of the times at the costs of thousands, even into the hundreds of thousands.  Sometimes patients can live in Hospice care for a few years even and it not be covered.  You don`t want this to be denied, especially when you or a loved one is basically in Hospice waiting to die.  

I dont want some government jerkoff giving me or ANYONE in my family councling ever!!!Once again,please show me one program the government runs well to give you a reason to think they can run a public option.

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2009, 07:37:44 AM »
The bill CLEARLY states,if you leave your job,you can not keep your insurance.You are FORCED to go to the government option.Thats is not keeping your insurance.

Now,here is a simple question.Please name ONE government agency that is run well.
No. Current HIPPA laws state that you are to be given COBRA coverage for a period after your termination of employment with the option to contact your current Insurance provider to extend coverage on a similar plan with the Insurance Provider.  Chances are you will not be able to afford this as this was part of an employee pool, or it will not be offered to you by your Insurance company as the plan your employer had you on only extended to those directly involved in whatever job you worked with.  They will then offer you plans outside of your employment when COBRA ends.  Or you can just keep on extending COBRA at quite a cost, which is way more than the Private plan may cost.

No where do you have to default to a Public plan if you lose your job, nor is it stated anywhere.  Hope this helps.

Oh and the military is run very well and that is a government organization.  The NIH and NASA are run very well also as is the CDC, FDA and USDA.

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2009, 07:39:49 AM »
No. Current HIPPA laws state that you are to be given COBRA coverage for a period after your termination of employment with the option to contact your current Insurance provider to extend coverage on a similar plan with the Insurance Provider.  Chances are you will not be able to afford this as this was part of an employee pool, or it will not be offered to you by your Insurance company as the plan your employer had you on only extended to those directly involved in whatever job you worked with.  They will then offer you plans outside of your employment when COBRA ends.  Or you can just keep on extending COBRA at quite a cost, which is way more than the Private plan may cost.

No where do you have to default to a Public plan if you lose your job, nor is it stated anywhere.  Hope this helps.

Oh and the military is run very well and that is a government organization.  The NIH and NASA are run very well also as is the CDC, FDA and USDA.

Read Page 16 of the bill you dunce. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2009, 07:40:57 AM »
I think its disgusting and outrageous.  Illegal aliens need to go home, not be afforded more taxpayer funded benes.  
you moron, the town hall open to everyone, what do you think of that?  Come on, tell the truth, you never had a problem when Bush had people signing loyatly oaths to get in...

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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2009, 07:41:27 AM »
I dont want some government jerkoff giving me or ANYONE in my family councling ever!!!Once again,please show me one program the government runs well to give you a reason to think they can run a public option.
Wherever you are covered and IF you are covered in Hospice care, or whatever hospital you are admitted to will help talk about DNR and Hospice Care.  Nobody in the government is telling your nor will they council you on anything. This is between you and your physician or primary care provider.


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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2009, 07:42:48 AM »
you moron, the town hall open to everyone, what do you think of that?  Come on, tell the truth, you never had a problem when Bush had people signing loyatly oaths to get in...

I thought you were referring to the public plan. 

Anyway, it is good that it is open to anyone. 

I dont agree with any loyalty oaths other than to the constitution of the USA.

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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2009, 07:46:38 AM »
Have you even read the bill? Yeah you get to keep your existing insurance, but after the bill is passed the insurance companies cannot write a policy after that date. So if your company decides it wants to change you are fucked, if you leave your job for another your fucked. Page 16 of the House bill read it, know it , live it.
Thats totally not true.  Insurance Companies will write and re-write plans as they see fit based on HIPPA laws and consumer driven standards as well as to meet the needs of employee pooled businesses and corporations.  Insurance Companies reserve the right to change the reimbursement rate as well as coverage options all the time.  Most plans change yearly and if you are employed by a corporation or small business, you are required to pick usually from about 3 different plans offered per company. Some less, rarely more.

There is nothing in the current bill that prohibits Insurance Companies from writing and re-writing policies to reflect market and consumer needs.  

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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2009, 07:53:45 AM »
Thats totally not true.  Insurance Companies will write and re-write plans as they see fit based on HIPPA laws and consumer driven standards as well as to meet the needs of employee pooled businesses and corporations.  Insurance Companies reserve the right to change the reimbursement rate as well as coverage options all the time.  Most plans change yearly and if you are employed by a corporation or small business, you are required to pick usually from about 3 different plans offered per company. Some less, rarely more.

There is nothing in the current bill that prohibits Insurance Companies from writing and re-writing policies to reflect market and consumer needs.  

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When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

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The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.


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Re: Obama does his town hall tonight... predictions?
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2009, 07:58:23 AM »
I thought you were referring to the public plan. 

Anyway, it is good that it is open to anyone. 

I dont agree with any loyalty oaths other than to the constitution of the USA.
so of course you voice your distain for this when Bush did it?

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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2009, 08:00:07 AM »
so of course you voice your distain for this when Bush did it?

I remember having many many other issues with Bush that were far worse.