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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2009, 09:53:37 PM »
well then again sorry its not my place to pay for another persons ish, a difference in philosophy i guess

I agree perhaps making companies supply lower coverage health insurance to part time workers over say 20 hrs/wk as well would help the situation as well.

that seems to be the crux of your beef.

you think other people are going to get a benefit on your dime

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2009, 10:00:58 PM »
that seems to be the crux of your beef.

you think other people are going to get a benefit on your dime
not at all, I agree the insurance companies screw us but as Ive stated im all for healthcare reform but that has nothing to do with obamas ideology that he is pushing as a solution to the problem...how is providing healthcare to all going to fix the problem with our current health care system? you see the two are not connected.

Understand that the two are not interconnected and can and should be addressed seperately.

As youve already stated implementing the things we agree on would overhaul the healthcare system and lower costs more then likely. Thats the problem with OUR healthcare system not that ppl dont have healthcare which is what obama is making it into...he is trying to use the problems with our current system to push his agenda and that my friend is BULLSHIT...

however yes i do have a problem with other ppl benefiting from my hard work, call my cooky i know its a crazy concept but i think i should be able to keep the money I earn...


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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2009, 10:06:11 PM »
not at all, I agree the insurance companies screw us but as Ive stated im all for healthcare reform but that has nothing to do with obamas ideology that he is pushing as a solution to the problem...how is providing healthcare to all going to fix the problem with our current health care system? you see the two are not connected.

Understand that the two are not interconnected and can and should be addressed seperately.

As youve already stated implementing the things we agree on would overhaul the healthcare system and lower costs more then likely. Thats the problem with OUR healthcare system not that ppl dont have healthcare which is what obama is making it into...he is trying to use the problems with our current system to push his agenda and that my friend is BULLSHIT...

however yes i do have a problem with other ppl benefiting from my hard work, call my cooky i know its a crazy concept but i think i should be able to keep the money I earn...

tony - the health care reform being proposed is a set of comprehensive solutions that include the items I've mentioned (I think 5 times now) and up until this weekend also included a public option of some sort.

I assume you're aware that people already "benefit" from your hard work:  think medicare, food stamps, section 8 housing, CHIP, etc....

btw - unless you make over 250k then your taxes are not supposed to go up.

I'm tired.

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2009, 10:12:07 PM »
tony - the health care reform being proposed is a set of comprehensive solutions that include the items I've mentioned (I think 5 times now) and up until this weekend also included a public option of some sort.

I assume you're aware that people already "benefit" from your hard work:  think medicare, food stamps, section 8 housing, CHIP, etc....

btw - unless you make over 250k then your taxes are not supposed to go up.

I'm tired.

I'm signing off for the night
LOL simply b/c ppl already benefit from my hard work doesnt mean more should...Im not happy about a lot of govt programs using my money and this like i said is a worthy cause one that I would be inclined to support if the govt cut shit out FIRST to free up funds to pay for this. Dont tell me we will find money in the new system implement the system in the current system first free up the money and then implement the other portion of the plan. Doing it all at once simply sets us up for more taxes in the event and probably case that the program runs in the red.

If you really believe that straw I dont know what to tell you, like i said no matter who got in obama or mccain taxes are going up regardless he may wait for a while and put the tax raises off on some other reason but fact of the matter is taxes will go up. You cant spend and spend and spend and expect taxes not to be raised even if you cut programs etc...if you continue to spend you will need more money

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2009, 04:49:47 AM »
tony - the health care reform being proposed is a set of comprehensive solutions that include the items I've mentioned (I think 5 times now) and up until this weekend also included a public option of some sort.

I assume you're aware that people already "benefit" from your hard work:  think medicare, food stamps, section 8 housing, CHIP, etc....

btw - unless you make over 250k then your taxes are not supposed to go up.

I'm tired.

I'm signing off for the night

Straw - do me a favor - go read an economics book.  Please. 

By Obama printing up money to no end and all these bailouts etc, you are getting a tax hike since your dollars are worth less and less. 

Additionally, he is proposing tax raises on those who make less than 250k by mandating a 2% tax on those who dont pay for health insurace.  Cap & tax is another tax increase as well. 

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2009, 08:06:03 AM »
Straw - do me a favor - go read an economics book.  Please. 

By Obama printing up money to no end and all these bailouts etc, you are getting a tax hike since your dollars are worth less and less. 

Additionally, he is proposing tax raises on those who make less than 250k by mandating a 2% tax on those who dont pay for health insurace.  Cap & tax is another tax increase as well. 
IS THIS TRUE  ??? :o >:(

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2009, 08:12:07 AM »
IS THIS TRUE  ??? :o >:(

Yes it is.  There is a clause mandating that if you dont have insurance coverage, you pay a 2% penalty on your income.   

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2009, 08:26:25 AM »
Straw - do me a favor - go read an economics book.  Please. 

By Obama printing up money to no end and all these bailouts etc, you are getting a tax hike since your dollars are worth less and less. 

Additionally, he is proposing tax raises on those who make less than 250k by mandating a 2% tax on those who dont pay for health insurace.  Cap & tax is another tax increase as well. 

link ?

btw - would those people being forced to pay the 2% tax also be given health care in return?

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2009, 08:32:52 AM »
House Democrats' Health Bill Would Tax Rich To Finance Insurance Expansion
Main Category: Health Insurance / Medical Insurance
Also Included In: Medicare / Medicaid / SCHIP
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House Democratic leaders Tuesday unveiled their bill to reform America's health care system - and insure an additional 37 million Americans over the next 10 years - to the tune of more than $1 trillion, funded mostly through an up-to-5.4 percent surtax on income for the wealthiest Americans, The Washington Post reports.

The plan would cover "more people through Medicaid and (provide) subsidies to help others meet a new federal mandate to purchase insurance. Democratic aides said the proposal would cost more than $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years, and would ensure that 97 percent of Americans were enrolled in a health plan by 2015. "About half of the cost would be covered by reducing spending on federal health programs, primarily Medicare, which serves the elderly and the disabled. But much of the rest of the money would come from a new tax on families earning more than $350,000 a year and individuals earning more than $280,000. The taxes, which would take effect in 2011, would affect about 2.1 million taxpayers, the nonprofit Tax Policy Center projected." The surtax would start at 1 percent and rise to 5.4 percent on incomes over $1 million. The highest tax rate in 2011 (when the Bush tax cuts end) would rise to 45 percent (Montgomery and Connolly, 7/15).

The tax would raise $544 billion over 10 years, Democrats say, USA Today reports. Absent from the House bill is a tax on employer-provided health benefits. "A separate proposal to pay for health care by taxing some benefits offered by employers - currently exempt from federal taxes - lost steam this month in the Senate because Democratic lawmakers, including Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, said it would have been too great a burden on middle-class families" (Fritze, 7/14).

The New York Times: "Employers who do not provide health insurance to workers would generally have to pay a fee or penalty to the government. The fee would be equal to 8 percent of wages for an employer with an annual payroll of more than $400,000."

"A partial, preliminary estimate by the Congressional Budget Office said it would cost slightly more than $1 trillion over 10 years to expand coverage as provided in the House bill. But Democrats said the cost would be fully offset by proposed savings in Medicare and other health programs and by revenue-raising changes in federal tax laws. Douglas W. Elmendorf, director of the budget office, said that by 2019 the bill could reduce the number of people without health insurance by 37 million, leaving 17 million still uninsured. Nearly half of the uninsured would be illegal immigrants, Mr. Elmendorf said" (Pear and Herszenhorn, 7/14).

Los Angeles Times: "All poor Americans making up to 133% of the poverty level would become eligible for Medicaid, which in some states is now limited to families. … People making between 133% and 400% of the federal poverty line -- roughly $29,300 to $88,200 for a family of four -- would be eligible for credits to help them buy insurance" (Levey, 7/15)

Reuters: "Legal U.S. residents be would be required to enroll in health insurance or face an income tax penalty of 2.5 percent. The bill would allow some exemptions" (Frank, 7/14).


Issues remain, Politico reports: "For instance, (House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry) Waxman (D-Calif.) incorporated into the bill the drug industry's $30 billion deal with the White House and the Senate Finance Committee to help close a gap in prescription drug coverage for seniors. But he refused to strip a provision that reinstates price controls on drugs purchased by seniors who qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid, despite the pleas of more than 60 fellow Democrats. Those rebates will cost drug companies more than $50 billion, and they'll lobby fiercely against them" O'Connor, Brown and Frates, 7/15).

Some business and Republicans are speaking out against the bill, The Wall Street Journal reports: "Employers with payrolls exceeding $400,000 a year would have to provide health insurance or pay the 8% penalty. Employers with payrolls between $250,000 and $400,000 a year would pay a smaller penalty, and those less than $250,000 would be exempt. Certain small firms would get tax credits to help buy coverage. The relatively low thresholds for penalties triggered the sharpest criticism yet from employer groups, who said the burden on small business is too high and doesn't do enough to help them expand insurance coverage. 'This bill costs too much, it covers too few and it has way too much government involvement,' said Michelle Dimarob, a lobbyist with the National Federation of Independent Business, the main trade group for small firms. 'Small business doesn't want any of those things'" (Adamy and Meckler, 7/15).

The Associated Press: "Three House committees will begin voting on the bill Thursday. Changes in the legislation are likely to satisfy a group of moderate and conservative Democrats who are withholding support. The 1,000-page bill is unlikely to attract any Republican backing, and business groups and the insurance industry immediately assailed it as a job-killer" (Werner, 7/15).

This information was reprinted from kaiserhealthnews.org with kind permission from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. You can view the entire Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, search the archives and sign up for email delivery at kaiserhealthnews.org.

© Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. All rights reserved.


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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2009, 08:42:13 AM »
House Democrats' Health Bill Would Tax Rich To Finance Insurance Expansion
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House Democratic leaders Tuesday unveiled their bill to reform America's health care system - and insure an additional 37 million Americans over the next 10 years - to the tune of more than $1 trillion, funded mostly through an up-to-5.4 percent surtax on income for the wealthiest Americans, The Washington Post reports.

The plan would cover "more people through Medicaid and (provide) subsidies to help others meet a new federal mandate to purchase insurance. Democratic aides said the proposal would cost more than $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years, and would ensure that 97 percent of Americans were enrolled in a health plan by 2015. "About half of the cost would be covered by reducing spending on federal health programs, primarily Medicare, which serves the elderly and the disabled. But much of the rest of the money would come from a new tax on families earning more than $350,000 a year and individuals earning more than $280,000. The taxes, which would take effect in 2011, would affect about 2.1 million taxpayers, the nonprofit Tax Policy Center projected." The surtax would start at 1 percent and rise to 5.4 percent on incomes over $1 million. The highest tax rate in 2011 (when the Bush tax cuts end) would rise to 45 percent (Montgomery and Connolly, 7/15).

The tax would raise $544 billion over 10 years, Democrats say, USA Today reports. Absent from the House bill is a tax on employer-provided health benefits. "A separate proposal to pay for health care by taxing some benefits offered by employers - currently exempt from federal taxes - lost steam this month in the Senate because Democratic lawmakers, including Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, said it would have been too great a burden on middle-class families" (Fritze, 7/14).

The New York Times: "Employers who do not provide health insurance to workers would generally have to pay a fee or penalty to the government. The fee would be equal to 8 percent of wages for an employer with an annual payroll of more than $400,000."

"A partial, preliminary estimate by the Congressional Budget Office said it would cost slightly more than $1 trillion over 10 years to expand coverage as provided in the House bill. But Democrats said the cost would be fully offset by proposed savings in Medicare and other health programs and by revenue-raising changes in federal tax laws. Douglas W. Elmendorf, director of the budget office, said that by 2019 the bill could reduce the number of people without health insurance by 37 million, leaving 17 million still uninsured. Nearly half of the uninsured would be illegal immigrants, Mr. Elmendorf said" (Pear and Herszenhorn, 7/14).

Los Angeles Times: "All poor Americans making up to 133% of the poverty level would become eligible for Medicaid, which in some states is now limited to families. … People making between 133% and 400% of the federal poverty line -- roughly $29,300 to $88,200 for a family of four -- would be eligible for credits to help them buy insurance" (Levey, 7/15)

Reuters: "Legal U.S. residents be would be required to enroll in health insurance or face an income tax penalty of 2.5 percent. The bill would allow some exemptions" (Frank, 7/14).


Issues remain, Politico reports: "For instance, (House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry) Waxman (D-Calif.) incorporated into the bill the drug industry's $30 billion deal with the White House and the Senate Finance Committee to help close a gap in prescription drug coverage for seniors. But he refused to strip a provision that reinstates price controls on drugs purchased by seniors who qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid, despite the pleas of more than 60 fellow Democrats. Those rebates will cost drug companies more than $50 billion, and they'll lobby fiercely against them" O'Connor, Brown and Frates, 7/15).

Some business and Republicans are speaking out against the bill, The Wall Street Journal reports: "Employers with payrolls exceeding $400,000 a year would have to provide health insurance or pay the 8% penalty. Employers with payrolls between $250,000 and $400,000 a year would pay a smaller penalty, and those less than $250,000 would be exempt. Certain small firms would get tax credits to help buy coverage. The relatively low thresholds for penalties triggered the sharpest criticism yet from employer groups, who said the burden on small business is too high and doesn't do enough to help them expand insurance coverage. 'This bill costs too much, it covers too few and it has way too much government involvement,' said Michelle Dimarob, a lobbyist with the National Federation of Independent Business, the main trade group for small firms. 'Small business doesn't want any of those things'" (Adamy and Meckler, 7/15).

The Associated Press: "Three House committees will begin voting on the bill Thursday. Changes in the legislation are likely to satisfy a group of moderate and conservative Democrats who are withholding support. The 1,000-page bill is unlikely to attract any Republican backing, and business groups and the insurance industry immediately assailed it as a job-killer" (Werner, 7/15).

This information was reprinted from kaiserhealthnews.org with kind permission from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. You can view the entire Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, search the archives and sign up for email delivery at kaiserhealthnews.org.

© Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. All rights reserved.

next time include the actual link to the website where you found it

in response to the proposed tax of 2.5% I say BFD.

The plan would have 97% of the US insured so the tax would only effect 3% of Americans.   
I wonder who those remaining 3% of Americans would even be?  Seems to me that if you could do simple math you'd figure out that it's better to have insurance which would save you money in the long run than be taxed 2.5% and go without insurance.

You can see the math right?

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2009, 08:45:10 AM »
How about self employed people who cant afford insurance abnd dont want it? 

I did not have insurance for a few years because I was young healthy and did not need it.  Why should I have a penalty of 2.5% to cover someone else? 

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« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2009, 08:50:13 AM »
How about self employed people who cant afford insurance abnd dont want it?  

I did not have insurance for a few years because I was young healthy and did not need it.  Why should I have a penalty of 2.5% to cover someone else? 

I would say you were stupid

first of all insurance is cheap when you're young

second you can still get in a car wreck, break a leg, etc...

third, I've never met anyone who didn't "want" health insurance.  Maybe they do exist but we shouldn't create a healthcare system to satisfy a minority of stupid people.

fourth, the self employed person who can't afford health insurance NOW will have a much better chance of being able to afford it under the new proposed plan.   Remember that figure from the article you posted that said the plan would cover 97% of American?   

Try to keep that concept in your skull.

The proposed plan would have 97% of Americans covered by the year 2015

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« Reply #62 on: August 17, 2009, 08:54:09 AM »
I would say you were stupid

first of all insurance is cheap when you're young

second you can still get in a car wreck, break a leg, etc...

third, I've never met anyone who didn't "want" health insurance.  Maybe they do exist but we shouldn't create a healthcare system to satisfy a minority of stupid people.

fourth, the self employed person who can't afford health insurance NOW will have a much better chance of being able to afford it under the new proposed plan.   Remember that figure from the article you posted that said the plan would cover 97% of American?   

Try to keep that concept in your skull.

The proposed plan would have 97% of Americans covered by the year 2015


No its not cheap in NY.  NY mandates all sorts of shit on a basic plan and it is hard to get a sole proprietor policy. 

Additionally, we have no fault auto insurance coverage of up to 50k on every policy. 

I knows tons of people w.o. insurance and not one ever had one of these situations occur to them.  BTW - during that time frame, i put away a ton of mobney and could self finance any expenses. 

I dont need you or the govt mandating anbything for me.  Stay out of my business bro. 

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« Reply #63 on: August 17, 2009, 08:59:00 AM »
No its not cheap in NY.  NY mandates all sorts of shit on a basic plan and it is hard to get a sole proprietor policy

Additionally, we have no fault auto insurance coverage of up to 50k on every policy. 

I knows tons of people w.o. insurance and not one ever had one of these situations occur to them.  BTW - during that time frame, i put away a ton of mobney and could self finance any expenses. 

I dont need you or the govt mandating anbything for me.  Stay out of my business bro. 

So you're admitting that health insurance is not cheap and also hard to get

that sounds like a problem.   Too bad there is not some cheap public option or single payer system available for you

Maybe you should do the math and support the current reform efforts.

Either way, why should the 97% who will benefit give a shit about the 3% who are too stupid to avail themselves of the benefit?

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« Reply #64 on: August 17, 2009, 09:01:31 AM »
So you're admitting that health insurance is not cheap and also hard to get

that sounds like a problem.   Too bad there is not some cheap public option or single payer system available for you

Maybe you should do the math and support the current reform efforts.

Either way, why should the 97% who will benefit give a shit about the 3% who are too stupid to avail themselves of the benefit?

I am not defending the current situation Straw.  I have good savings and was looking for a high deductbile low premium policy to cover catastropihc stuff.  In NY they dont have it, even though in other states they do. 

I think that there are not enough options available and that lower cost optiions should be avialable. 

We need to look at what drives the costs higher than inflation and where costs can be driven down, the same way computers and cell phones came down.     

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« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2009, 09:03:53 AM »
So you're admitting that health insurance is not cheap and also hard to get

that sounds like a problem.   Too bad there is not some cheap public option or single payer system available for you

Maybe you should do the math and support the current reform efforts.

Either way, why should the 97% who will benefit give a shit about the 3% who are too stupid to avail themselves of the benefit?
fuck the public option straw get off the obama propaganda train...the 2 problems are connected and should not be portrayed as such. We can lower health care costs, do away with bad business practices etc...without doling out butt loads of money to insure everyone that is not needed and needs to be understood as a SEPERATE problem not associated with our current system

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« Reply #66 on: August 17, 2009, 09:07:50 AM »
I am not defending the current situation Straw.  I have good savings and was looking for a high deductbile low premium policy to cover catastropihc stuff.  In NY they dont have it, even though in other states they do.   I think that there are not enough options available and that lower cost optiions should be avialable. 

We need to look at what drives the costs higher than inflation and where costs can be driven down, the same way computers and cell phones came down.     

you're giving an example of a point I've made multiple times.

The first thing I've listed on potential reforms is making sure we have legitimate competition.   I had a link last week that showed the virtual monopoly in many states where only a few companies control the entire market.   If we opened up competition, stopped abusive practices, gave people with insurance some recourse against their own companies who reject legitimate claims for coverage it would go a long way to fixing the system.  If we did all that and also had a public option then only a small group of people would even need the public option.

We are all in the same fight against the insurance companies

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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2009, 09:12:30 AM »
fuck the public option straw get off the obama propaganda train...the 2 problems are connected and should not be portrayed as such. We can lower health care costs, do away with bad business practices etc...without doling out butt loads of money to insure everyone that is not needed and needs to be understood as a SEPERATE problem not associated with our current system

tony - I don't mind discussing this but I can't keep making the same points over and over again.  I've got other shit to do today.

One last time (I think this is the 6th time now):

Let's start with making sure we have fair and legitimate competition.   Next, let's stop abusive practices (rescission, pre-existing conditions, rejecting legitimate claims for care, etc..), and finally some type of public option for people who need it.

Unless you can find some new objection I have nothing more to say on the topic

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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2009, 09:18:01 AM »
tony - I don't mind discussing this but I can't keep making the same points over and over again.  I've got other shit to do today.

One last time (I think this is the 6th time now):

Let's start with making sure we have fair and legitimate competition.   Next, let's stop abusive practices (rescission, pre-existing conditions, rejecting legitimate claims for care, etc..), and finally some type of public option for people who need it.

Unless you can find some new objection I have nothing more to say on the topic
And ive said this time and time again as well straw we can do the bold without a public option, so what do we need a public option for other then to give health insurance to those without health insurance with other ppls money?

You keep trying to throw the two in together just like obama but you can do the 2 seperate and they should be addressed seperate but you refuse to acknowledge that point and continue to push the public option. You say we can start with this and move to the public option, but if the first part works there will be no need for a public option other then another govt handout...

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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2009, 09:23:36 AM »
And ive said this time and time again as well straw we can do the bold without a public option, so what do we need a public option for other then to give health insurance to those without health insurance with other ppls money?

You keep trying to throw the two in together just like obama but you can do the 2 seperate and they should be addressed seperate but you refuse to acknowledge that point and continue to push the public option. You say we can start with this and move to the public option, but if the first part works there will be no need for a public option other then another govt handout...

The more the first part of the list works the less we'll need a public option but I also see the benefit (both monetarily and from a humanitarian point of view) to make sure that all citizens have access to some kind of health care.

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« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2009, 09:40:30 AM »
The more the first part of the list works the less we'll need a public option but I also see the benefit (both monetarily and from a humanitarian point of view) to make sure that all citizens have access to some kind of health care.

not the less, it will eliminate the need for a public option other then for the purpose of universal health care for those uninsured. I agree that everyone should have health insurance but it should not be at the cost of others.

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« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2009, 09:45:21 AM »
not the less, it will eliminate the need for a public option other then for the purpose of universal health care for those uninsured. I agree that everyone should have health insurance but it should not be at the cost of others.

okay then you must also be against Medicare and CHIP

If you had your way would you like to get rid of both of those today?

Fuck old people and poor kids.

It's not my problem if they can't afford insurance

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« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2009, 09:54:57 AM »
okay then you must also be against Medicare and CHIP

If you had your way would you like to get rid of both of those today?

Fuck old people and poor kids.

It's not my problem if they can't afford insurance
correct me if im wrong but medicare is payed for by social security, payroll taxes etc...so these ppl who have worked have payed for this...

ok well if we have CHIP why do we need another program to fund health insurance?

Again like ive said this is a worthy cause, one that I would be inclined to be in favor of if the situation and the majority of the details in bill were different. As it is seeminly being proposed now no im not in favor of it what so ever.

In theory though yes I wouldnt be in favor of me paying for anybodys health insurance however that isnt really plausible as the govt deems what to use my tax money on. So use the tax money you already take for this dont try and sell us some bs about how it will be self sustaining while pointing to the post office(which isnt) as proof that it wont put competition out of business  ::)

its obvious taxes will be raised in this country straw in one fashion or another we are going to pay out more out of pocket from this.

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2009, 10:15:36 AM »
correct me if im wrong but medicare is payed for by social security, payroll taxes etc...so these ppl who have worked have payed for this...

ok well if we have CHIP why do we need another program to fund health insurance?

Again like ive said this is a worthy cause, one that I would be inclined to be in favor of if the situation and the majority of the details in bill were different. As it is seeminly being proposed now no im not in favor of it what so ever.

In theory though yes I wouldnt be in favor of me paying for anybodys health insurance however that isnt really plausible as the govt deems what to use my tax money on. So use the tax money you already take for this dont try and sell us some bs about how it will be self sustaining while pointing to the post office(which isnt) as proof that it wont put competition out of business  ::)

its obvious taxes will be raised in this country straw in one fashion or another we are going to pay out more out of pocket from this.

you are correct

you're paying for it right now and you have no choice in the matter

too bad you can't get the benefit now too

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Re: Obama camp plants fake doctor, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum
« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2009, 10:19:29 AM »
you are correct

you're paying for it right now and you have no choice in the matter

too bad you can't get the benefit now too

Its because of basic math Straw.  What you never understand, and even Obama reluctantly admitted it, is that govt run entities dont work.  They suck! 

Even Obama admitted that he post office is a mess, something you refused to do.

Medicare, medicaid, et al, are all on the verge of bankruptcy and your idea is to double down on failure - no thanks.