Carville: Let GOP kill health care -- then run against them

[Soul Crusher]

  totally clueless...

Oh yeah, because the tea parties in April were fake?
The town halls are fake?
Cap & Trade is wildely succesfull?
The wall street and auto bailouts are popular?
28 Czars is popular? 


Obama won because he was not Bush, not because people want the ultimate Nanny Staters in office.  Obama read his election dead wrong.  He won solely because he was not bush, not anythnig else. 

People thought "change" was from GWB, not a radical transformation of the economy and way of life. 

     

[James]

Obama won because he was not Bush, not because people want the ultimate Nanny Staters in office.  Obama read his election dead wrong.  He won solely because he was not bush, not anythnig else.

People thought "change" was from GWB, not a radical transformation of the economy and way of life.

100% correct

[BM OUT]

i agree.  I talk to a few diehard obama voters and while they don't know much about politics, they say "obama is trying to control us, what we drive, who we use for a doctor, etc"

I'm talking people with zilch clue about politics.  They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.

Still, I think this type of voter (the casual idiot voter) can be swayed by other high-profile things obama does.  Will they care about his controlling way if he cures swine flu while parading Bin laden's head on a stick in Times Square?  probably not. 

Do you not think he is trying to controll us?What car we drive?Lets see,step one,idiotic cafe standards,step two take over auto industry and make only little shitty cars that no one wants to drive.Lets see,he already has talked about taxing "fatty foods".If health care passes,you dont think the government will put restrictions on food?They will justify it by claiming it drives up health care costs if people eat shitty food.Cap and trade is designed to tell people how cool or hot they can have their house.

Democrats think we are stupid and they must controll us for our own good.The amusing thing is fat little rolly polly fools like Little Dick Durbin,think he should be able to dictate what we eat,but he should be allowed to be a fat slob.Do as I say,not as I do.

[240 is Back]

Do you not think he is trying to controll us?What car we drive?Lets see,step one,idiotic cafe standards,step two take over auto industry and make only little shitty cars that no one wants to drive.Lets see,he already has talked about taxing "fatty foods".If health care passes,you dont think the government will put restrictions on food?They will justify it by claiming it drives up health care costs if people eat shitty food.Cap and trade is designed to tell people how cool or hot they can have their house.

Democrats think we are stupid and they must controll us for our own good.The amusing thing is fat little rolly polly fools like Little Dick Durbin,think he should be able to dictate what we eat,but he should be allowed to be a fat slob.Do as I say,not as I do.

again, you're trying to turn this isn't a "is it right or wrong" thing.

his agenda is his agenda.  This thread is about how spinning any potential failure of obamacare can benefit or hurt the democrats.

You want every thread to be "obama sucks, he's trying to do this and that, I hate dick durbin, people are fat and they piss me off..."

Settle down.  Plenty of time for that.  BILLY, how should obama spin it if his healthcare plan fails in order to make gains politically?

[tonymctones]

again, you're trying to turn this isn't a "is it right or wrong" thing.

his agenda is his agenda.  This thread is about how spinning any potential failure of obamacare can benefit or hurt the democrats.

You want every thread to be "obama sucks, he's trying to do this and that, I hate dick durbin, people are fat and they piss me off..."

Settle down.  Plenty of time for that.  BILLY, how should obama spin it if his healthcare plan fails in order to make gains politically?

he shouldnt spin shit he should just accept it and move on the majority of ppl in this country dont want it, so spinning shit will simply piss those ppl off. You guys seem to think these ppl are crazy and have stupid ideas youre wrong they have legitimate worries about his plan. The spinning the dems have done thus far has done nothing but hurt them and further spinning will simply deepen the wound.

[tonymctones]

If they come out and say "the reps kept us from passing health care reform" guess what again the majority of ppl in this country right now dont want obamas health care reform. So basically what the dems would be saying is the majority of america agrees with the reps and it would be helping not hurting the reps...

[BM OUT]

again, you're trying to turn this isn't a "is it right or wrong" thing.

his agenda is his agenda.  This thread is about how spinning any potential failure of obamacare can benefit or hurt the democrats.

You want every thread to be "obama sucks, he's trying to do this and that, I hate dick durbin, people are fat and they piss me off..."

Settle down.  Plenty of time for that.  BILLY, how should obama spin it if his healthcare plan fails in order to make gains politically?

He wont be able to spin it.He will try to say Republicans killed it,but when its pointed out over and over that he has super majorities in both houses it wont work.In the old days the media would put the spin over,but now,with so much other media it doesnt work as well as long as there are facts behind the story.

Some form of health care will pass.It will be watered down.The only good thing will be that Obama will have spent so much political capitol on it,that cap and trade wont get 40 votes in the senate.