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Mary Matalin Tells CNN Viewers the Meaner Husband James Carville Gets "The More They Are Losing" - Video 8/16/09

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He's right, the death panel thing is right wing nuttery. 

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He's right, the death panel thing is right wing nuttery. 

And yet the senate pulled it from its bill.

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He's right, the death panel thing is right wing nuttery. 

No it was not.  Hugo - by defition there was going to be massive rationing in this bill.  How else can you cover 45 million new people, cut medicare by 300 billion, not increase the amount of providers, otherwise???

Additionally, Obama dn Emanuels brother are in favor of a "community standard" to medicine which calls for all of this. 

Look it up. 

By the way, if it was never there, why did they take it out?

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And yet the senate pulled it from its bill.
how's that change the fact that's it's just not true?  Not even remotely... even Newt is quoted in the past, before all this, that this type of consultation is GOOD!  And republicans have passed bills with similar wording already.  So appeasing the Conspiracy Theorists on the right... WOW, a silly concession never given to anyone on the left.  Maybe they just feel the CTr's on the right are more armed. lol...

FACT CHECK: No 'death panel' in health care bill
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_q_a

Palin 'death panel' claim sets Truth-O-Meter ablaze PANTS ON FIRE
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/aug/10/palin-death-panel-remark-sets-truth-o-meter-fire/

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No it was not.  Hugo - by defition there was going to be massive rationing in this bill.  How else can you cover 45 million new people, cut medicare by 300 billion, not increase the amount of providers, otherwise???

Additionally, Obama dn Emanuels brother are in favor of a "community standard" to medicine which calls for all of this. 

Look it up. 

By the way, if it was never there, why did they take it out?
oh shut up ::)  You look it up and start with the links I posted.

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The only people I see who have death panels are insurance companies.  You guys should know full well that they constantly decide who lives and who dies.  Some of these crazy bastards just deny deny deny deny and fight the hell out of the people often right when they're hardly in any state to fight back.  Insurance companies ARE death panels.

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The only people I see who have death panels are insurance companies.  You guys should know full well that they constantly decide who lives and who dies.  Some of these crazy bastards just deny deny deny deny and fight the hell out of the people often right when they're hardly in any state to fight back.  Insurance companies ARE death panels.

Exactly.  I love it when people get outraged over something that has been around for decades as if it were something new.  Insurance companies have been doing this from day one.  So, someone gives it a new name “death panel” and suddenly people get animated.

The reality is we do need to ration care.  When someone is seriously ill at 90 years old, it makes no sense to spend a million dollars of public/pooled/insurance money to prolong their life for two more months when the quality of life means they will be lying unconscious in a bed.  If the family of this individual is rich and wants to spend their own money on that kind of care they are welcome to do so.

Private and public conversations about end of life care are long overdue.  There is nothing wrong with formalizing conversations and the reasoned judgments of physicians, medical ethicists, and family members when seriously ill people are nearing the end of life.

Death panels in the form of insurance companies or even individual doctors have always existed and will never go away.

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People who cry about "Death panels" are drama queens preying on people's fears.

"Obama will kill your granny"... come on. 


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People who cry about "Death panels" are drama queens preying on people's fears.

"Obama will kill your granny"... come on. 



It was done to Gingrich in 1995 as well.  What goes around comes around. 

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the spin put on it is ridiculous in my opinion but the fact of the matter is their worries are legitimate. They are worried about rationing of health care you say private companies already do this. Ok well what happens if the govt runs the majority of private insurance companies out of business? The few that remain will in all likelihood be extremely expensive so the majority of ppl will be on the public plan. In which there is not viable competition and thus no viable alternative to the treatment that the govt deems good procedure...

again you guys try and paint these ppl are morons and crazy ct's but actually sit back and listen to them and realize that yes they are presenting their arguement in a way that is very inarticulate and exaggerated but the basis for their worries is legit.

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how's that change the fact that's it's just not true?  Not even remotely... even Newt is quoted in the past, before all this, that this type of consultation is GOOD!  And republicans have passed bills with similar wording already.  So appeasing the Conspiracy Theorists on the right... WOW, a silly concession never given to anyone on the left.  Maybe they just feel the CTr's on the right are more armed. lol...

FACT CHECK: No 'death panel' in health care bill
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_q_a

Palin 'death panel' claim sets Truth-O-Meter ablaze PANTS ON FIRE
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/aug/10/palin-death-panel-remark-sets-truth-o-meter-fire/

I dont want ANY government pecker head talking to me about end of life decisions.I dont want them paying a doctor to give me end of life councling.I want the government to fix the fucking roads and defend the borders.THATS IT!

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I dont want ANY government pecker head talking to me about end of life decisions.I dont want them paying a doctor to give me end of life councling.I want the government to fix the fucking roads and defend the borders.THATS IT!

Isn't counseling already available to most people with insurance, on this topic?

This is simply "this counseling will be included for poor people as well"?

Am I wrong here?

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Isn't counseling already available to most people with insurance, on this topic?

This is simply "this counseling will be included for poor people as well"?

Am I wrong here?

The insurance company is not the govt.  Big difference.  The govt has the power to jail you, tax you, regulate you, censure you, penalize you, etc.