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Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« on: August 19, 2009, 02:50:59 AM »



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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 01:30:44 PM »
Queen street academy.   ;D  BJ wasn't with Ralph for longer than two years.  He left Ralph and went with Dede Pedeneiras a little shy of two years.  Won the Mundials in his third year.  Ralph is a real upstanding guy...... The video of him attacking a on crutches Bobby Southworth at a BJJ tourney is just an example.  Read Dave Camarillo's book. 

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 02:08:45 PM »
I really cant stand any of the Gracie's- They all seem like douchebag ego maniacs that care more about preserving the Gracie name and propping up BJJ than showing honor or integrity.

I hate BJ, but I think I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here. I'm sure it chaps the Gracie's asses that an American who practiced BJJ for like 3 years was able to win the world championship and is considered the best BJJ practitioner in MMA.

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 04:23:01 PM »
I am sure I have known the Gracies (well some of them) longer than anyone on here (at least 99.9%).  They are very proud of their family and name even with all the inter-family fueding that goes on.  One of my old best friends got on the bad side of them after making a million+ dollars off what he learned and they hate his guts.  At least they did, not sure bout now
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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 09:22:13 PM »
I am sure I have known the Gracies (well some of them) longer than anyone on here (at least 99.9%).  They are very proud of their family and name even with all the inter-family fueding that goes on.  One of my old best friends got on the bad side of them after making a million+ dollars off what he learned and they hate his guts.  At least they did, not sure bout now

They seem to hate everybody's guts, never seen a family more full of hate and angst then those guys...even Royce in the first few UFC's would just have this nasty look at his face like he hates the world and everybody in it, honestly I don't know what their problem is or what the chip on their shoulder is.

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 10:08:46 PM »
They seem to hate everybody's guts, never seen a family more full of hate and angst then those guys...even Royce in the first few UFC's would just have this nasty look at his face like he hates the world and everybody in it, honestly I don't know what their problem is or what the chip on their shoulder is.


Actually Royce is really nice (at least around me).  He is always smiling.  I do know he would get very psyche up because the family put alot of pressure on him to win.  he did not want to embarrass himself, family or dad.  It is a very strange family and the competition and loathing for each other is amazing.  It might be better now but back when Rorian decided to play power-trip and trademark the Gracie name and charge his own family to use it everything within the family went crazy. 
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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2009, 12:29:21 AM »
Actually Royce is really nice (at least around me).  He is always smiling.  I do know he would get very psyche up because the family put alot of pressure on him to win.  he did not want to embarrass himself, family or dad.  It is a very strange family and the competition and loathing for each other is amazing.  It might be better now but back when Rorian decided to play power-trip and trademark the Gracie name and charge his own family to use it everything within the family went crazy. 

Hahaha...holy shit, he pulled a Lou Ferigno !?!?! that's fucking cold man... either way,  I think they are overrated... jiu jitsu was always a good art, the brazillians may have adapted some techniques in it for their purposes but it was always a good art with a lot of variety. (I'm talking about Japanese Jiu Jitsu)

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2009, 12:40:30 AM »
Hahaha...holy shit, he pulled a Lou Ferigno !?!?! that's fucking cold man... either way,  I think they are overrated... jiu jitsu was always a good art, the brazillians may have adapted some techniques in it for their purposes but it was always a good art with a lot of variety. (I'm talking about Japanese Jiu Jitsu)


That is why there is a distinct split amongst Helios son's.  Rickson operates his own association, Rorion has the Gracie Academy, Relson has Relson Gracie Jiujitsu, Royler runs Humaita, etc.  Brazo politics at it's finest.  Don't get me started on how Carlos side of the family feels about Rorion and his trademark. 

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2009, 09:32:23 AM »
Japanese Jiu Jitsu is just as good, if not better than BJJ imo. You dont see many guys practice it in MMA though. The story goes that when Gracie Sr. started his program, the father of modern Japanse Jiu Jitsu ( whose name I cant remember) flew into Brazil to fight him. The Japanese guy destroyed Gracie in 3 untimed matches-- Actually breaking his arm I think.

The reason I like jap jiu jitsu more is that its not as one dimensonal as BJJ- Judo throws, pins and techniques are highlighted just as much as the ground game. All the BJJ stuff I see is two guys automatically taking the mat and then dry humping eachother on the ground.

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2009, 10:30:42 AM »
Japanese Jiu Jitsu is just as good, if not better than BJJ imo. You dont see many guys practice it in MMA though. The story goes that when Gracie Sr. started his program, the father of modern Japanse Jiu Jitsu ( whose name I cant remember) flew into Brazil to fight him. The Japanese guy destroyed Gracie in 3 untimed matches-- Actually breaking his arm I think.

The guy's name was Kimura if im not mistaken.
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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2009, 11:37:24 AM »
The guy's name was Kimura if im not mistaken.

yeah, Kimura broke Helio´s arm exactly with the 'kimura' wich got his name after this fight...After this, Helio developed his version of jiu jitsu wich now is know as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2009, 12:11:36 PM »
Japanese Jiu Jitsu is just as good, if not better than BJJ imo. You dont see many guys practice it in MMA though. The story goes that when Gracie Sr. started his program, the father of modern Japanse Jiu Jitsu ( whose name I cant remember) flew into Brazil to fight him. The Japanese guy destroyed Gracie in 3 untimed matches-- Actually breaking his arm I think.

The reason I like jap jiu jitsu more is that its not as one dimensonal as BJJ- Judo throws, pins and techniques are highlighted just as much as the ground game. All the BJJ stuff I see is two guys automatically taking the mat and then dry humping eachother on the ground.

Uh, yeah....

We cross train with a local Kodekan JJ school.  They send their blackbelts over to train with us, because, as they opine, their Ne Waza is limited.  We have white belts tap their black belts on the mat.  We also train with a couple of Judo schools, including Taylor Takata.  When we do judo with them, we all get frequent flyer miles.  Taylor is also a purple in BJJ......Kimura was a top student of Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo.  That would make Kimura a JUDOKA. 

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2009, 12:37:23 PM »
Interesting read on BJ Penn:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/all-newer-fans-why-bj-so-respected-585130/

I haven't studied Penn much yet, but was at his UFC debut in Atlantic City in '01.  He had some accomplishments by then but I was not aware of them.


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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 02:53:35 PM »
Uh, yeah....

We cross train with a local Kodekan JJ school.  They send their blackbelts over to train with us, because, as they opine, their Ne Waza is limited.  We have white belts tap their black belts on the mat.  We also train with a couple of Judo schools, including Taylor Takata.  When we do judo with them, we all get frequent flyer miles.  Taylor is also a purple in BJJ......Kimura was a top student of Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo.  That would make Kimura a JUDOKA. 

My school practices Goshin Jiu Jitsu- which as far as I know is one of the only schools on the east coast that does so. It's an equal mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu split down the middle and every belt requirement forces students to master both at the same time. The problem I have with BJJ is that most of its practicioners think that its the best or only way to grapple, and its very one dimensonal. If you cant throw or pin your opponent, what good is having 900 different joint locks and all kinds of crazy holds? Dont get me wrong, obviously BJJ is a legit martial art and an effective way to fight- I just feel that many of its adherents are very arrogant and at the same time, very limited in their abilities. 

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 06:26:01 PM »
Uh, yeah....

We cross train with a local Kodekan JJ school.  They send their blackbelts over to train with us, because, as they opine, their Ne Waza is limited.  We have white belts tap their black belts on the mat.  We also train with a couple of Judo schools, including Taylor Takata.  When we do judo with them, we all get frequent flyer miles.  Taylor is also a purple in BJJ......Kimura was a top student of Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo.  That would make Kimura a JUDOKA. 

Uh huh...next you'll be telling me about santa claus or the tooth fairy..

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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2009, 10:19:02 PM »
I remember when I was taking it for the limited time I did with Rorian in his garage.  That was where there original training area was.  The walls and floor were covered with shitty old wrestling mats and he would teach one on one for $20 an hour.  We used to wear different things to train in including suits, shorts, tank tops, no shirt, boots, tennis shoes, bare foot, jackets, or whatever else you had.  The idea was you had to know how to defend yourself in whatever situation you were in and many times you might be wearing something that restricts you or made it awkward to fight.  Pretty neat.  Do they still do that?  And afterwards you would go in the house and eat bananas cooked all kinds of ways.
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Re: Ralph Gracie: "BJ PENN is mutherfuckin traitor"
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2009, 07:32:05 PM »
Uh huh...next you'll be telling me about santa claus or the tooth fairy..


Anytime you are in Hawaii, big guy, drop me a line.  I will make shure we got a line of white belts waiting for you.   ;)

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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2009, 07:34:11 PM »
My school practices Goshin Jiu Jitsu- which as far as I know is one of the only schools on the east coast that does so. It's an equal mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu split down the middle and every belt requirement forces students to master both at the same time. The problem I have with BJJ is that most of its practicioners think that its the best or only way to grapple, and its very one dimensonal. If you cant throw or pin your opponent, what good is having 900 different joint locks and all kinds of crazy holds? Dont get me wrong, obviously BJJ is a legit martial art and an effective way to fight- I just feel that many of its adherents are very arrogant and at the same time, very limited in their abilities. 

Humaita method is to secure the takedown, establish top control (with strikes for self defense), pressure to obtain the submission or finish with strikes.  Sport BJJ isn't the self defense aspect of the art.  Many stories, and seen first hand accounts of BJJ's effectiveness here in Hawaii.  Relson is a known partier, and streetfighter. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2009, 04:20:27 AM »
i trained with a guy for a couple months who only practiced old school japanese jj, that was quite an experiance and imo was much more lethal then the bjj alot of schools teach today, im sure its cause alot of them only teach sport bjj in america.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2009, 08:23:39 PM »
Anytime you are in Hawaii, big guy, drop me a line.  I will make shure we got a line of white belts waiting for you.   ;)

Sounds good, as long as it's open sparring... my background is muay thai/sambo/boxing I've barely fucked around with jj let alone bjj, I think it's grossly overrated. Striking is still the most important part of the fight game,hopefully all your boys aren't like Leites and just drop back every 5 seconds and trry to pull guard.

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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2009, 10:56:32 PM »
Sounds good, as long as it's open sparring... my background is muay thai/sambo/boxing I've barely fucked around with jj let alone bjj, I think it's grossly overrated. Striking is still the most important part of the fight game,hopefully all your boys aren't like Leites and just drop back every 5 seconds and trry to pull guard.


We have more "strikers" than grapplers.  Most of the white belts are kickboxers who want to round out their games, and have come to us.  So we can easily accomodate you. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2009, 12:45:20 AM »
We have more "strikers" than grapplers.  Most of the white belts are kickboxers who want to round out their games, and have come to us.  So we can easily accomodate you. 

Awesome! :)  I might be going there for my honeymoon next sept. will keep ya posted.

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2009, 07:33:27 AM »
Awesome! :)  I might be going there for my honeymoon next sept. will keep ya posted.


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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2009, 01:36:07 AM »
Won't happen.

I have shown the good Captains remarks to a ton of folks.  There will be plenty of takers when he visits. 

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