Overwhelming Majority of Fox Viewers Don't Know Obama's Health Plan

[Decker]

Yes, on page 100 I see where section A clearly states a citizen of the U.S.  Section B states "qualified individual" (what does that mean?).
I hope your right, I certainly don't think we should be providing the same healthcare benefits to illegals, unless they are paying for it.

Government could open up more competition among insurance companies and lay down multiple regulations to protect people (ie..just a couple... remove pre-existing conditions clauses, somehow keep % of out of pocket expenses down, address whole malpractice reform, etc)....or have a single payer system.  I'm not sure co-ops would work.  I would try to first concept first.

I have to admit, there are many considerations here.  Illegals are not eligible for Medicare or Social Security either.  This plan would seem to be in line with that.

My contention would be...cover them.  And here's why, ultimately we would pay their medical bills from emergency care.  But that's me.

I'd like to see more competition in the insurance field but it is monopolized by a few giants that must retain the profit margin.  I'm not sure how we would implement a policy for more competition.

[BM OUT]

No.  I said abortion is legal.  I don't see any language in the bill that authorizes tax dollar coverage of abortions.
The nation's collective health is a poor commodity for profit.
The high rollers will stick with private coverage.  The middle class always looks for more coverage beyond the base offered by the plan.  There will always be a market for private insurance in this arrangement.  And that's too bad.
FedEX lost more than the post office.  Patience on the Clunker program.  Immediate gratification is not an option.  These things take time.  And since the clunker program has worked extremely well, we should be patient.

The clunker program DID NOT WORK AT ALL!!!If the dealers are getting screwed thats not an example of working.If your boss told you "sorry,I know you worked the last two weeks but have patience we will pay you when we get to it"I doubt you wou;ld say that was a success.

Fed ex looses money,ONLY fed ex suffers.The post office looses money and WE suffer because WE have to pay the price for that.There is a HUGE differance there.Fed ex,if oit continues to loose money goes out of buisiness.The post office will not.THAT by its very nature IS NOT competition.

Once again,Obama has stated MANY times that "womens reproductive health will be covered".Thats code words for abortions.So tax money will be used to destroy babies.You wonder why people show up holding Obama as Hitler posters?

[Soul Crusher]

I understand what you are saying 33.  Yes, if amnesty passes, they will be covered because they will be given citizenship.  That is a related 2nd debate.  I don't mind an accelerated pathway to citizenship and fees for people that are here illegally but complete amnesty for breaking our laws is unacceptible.  Then deport illegals after that.  Any illegal that commits a crime should be deported too.

Still, the provision for citizenship must be written in the bill so it doesn't attract more illegals to come to this country for handouts.

Shoot- obama is pulling the ultimate bait and switch game.   of course illegals will get covered.  Anyone who thinks otherwise still thinks illegals dont get welfare and other taxpayer funded benes.  

[Soul Crusher]

The clunker program DID NOT WORK AT ALL!!!If the dealers are getting screwed thats not an example of working.If your boss told you "sorry,I know you worked the last two weeks but have patience we will pay you when we get to it"I doubt you wou;ld say that was a success.

Fed ex looses money,ONLY fed ex suffers.The post office looses money and WE suffer because WE have to pay the price for that.There is a HUGE differance there.Fed ex,if oit continues to loose money goes out of buisiness.The post office will not.THAT by its very nature IS NOT competition.

Once again,Obama has stated MANY times that "womens reproductive health will be covered".Thats code words for abortions.So tax money will be used to destroy babies.You wonder why people show up holding Obama as Hitler posters?

Billy - as usual you give us the post of the day. 

Great job as usual.  Anyone who believes a word that Obama has to say is utterly delusional. 

[GigantorX]

 Patience on the Clunker program.  Immediate gratification is not an option.  These things take time.  And since the clunker program has worked extremely well, we should be patient.

Patience on the Clunker Program? Isn't it over now? Didn't the Govt. bury each dealership in an insane amount of paperwork and not pay them on time to the point that dealers are now starting to withdraw from the program?

And patience for what? It will be over soon. The demand will have been pulled forward and, looking at the current "unexpected" rise in jobless claims, auto demand will again be weak to flat. Once the Govt. stops handing money out to people to by cars, where will the demand be? The program will not last for ever.

[Decker]

The clunker program DID NOT WORK AT ALL!!!If the dealers are getting screwed thats not an example of working.If your boss told you "sorry,I know you worked the last two weeks but have patience we will pay you when we get to it"I doubt you wou;ld say that was a success.

You're just wrong.  Plain wrong.  If the wheels of gov. turn slowly, so be it.  It's likely b/c people like you are always standing in the way of progress.  Just b/c the program has worked so well that more funding is needed resulting in a delay in cutting checks to the dealers doesn't mean the program failed.

Fed ex looses money,ONLY fed ex suffers.The post office looses money and WE suffer because WE have to pay the price for that.There is a HUGE differance there.Fed ex,if oit continues to loose money goes out of buisiness.The post office will not.THAT by its very nature IS NOT competition.

My point was that in this global depression, everybody had a bad year.  Why should the post office be any different or an exception to that?

Once again,Obama has stated MANY times that "womens reproductive health will be covered".Thats code words for abortions.So tax money will be used to destroy babies.You wonder why people show up holding Obama as Hitler posters?

Good point.

[BM OUT]

You're just wrong.  Plain wrong.  If the wheels of gov. turn slowly, so be it.  It's likely b/c people like you are always standing in the way of progress.  Just b/c the program has worked so well that more funding is needed resulting in a delay in cutting checks to the dealers doesn't mean the program failed.
My point was that in this global depression, everybody had a bad year.  Why should the post office be any different or an exception to that?
Good point.

Again,if the dealers arent getting reimbursed thats a failure.You know,they have bills to pay,employees to pay.Unlike the government,when a buisiness cant pay the bills,the people they owe dont accept "Sorry,the government is going to reimburse me.I will pay you when I get paid".They HAVE to pay on time or go out of buisiness.Its just not fair to make them wait for the money thats OWED and PROMISED to them.

[George Whorewell]

Just a note- If the healthcare bill does not specifically outlaw abortion funding, then abortion funding is allowed-- There was a fairly recent medicaid case ( Not sure if it was Supreme Court though) which answered a similar question.

If as Obama claims abortion wont be funded, sex changes wont be funded and illegal immigraints wont be funded, then why not just explicitly say so in the damn bill !?

Decker I miss you. Stop arguing with these lesser conservatives and lets fight.  

[shootfighter1]

George, that was funny.  A guy like me is a "lesser conservative"...true, I'm a moderate conservative.  I sometimes give in to the dark side...hahaha.

I've heard a ton of complaints about cash for clunkers, I would not say it has been a success.  The incentive to buy cars was successful, but there were unintended blunders.  Many dealers are pissed but other folks in the industry were affected as well...junkyards lost a bunch of $ too.

Good point about "women's reproductive care will be covered".  We need to know details.

[Soul Crusher]

Just a note- If the healthcare bill does not specifically outlaw abortion funding, then abortion funding is allowed-- There was a fairly recent medicaid case ( Not sure if it was Supreme Court though) which answered a similar question.

If as Obama claims abortion wont be funded, sex changes wont be funded and illegal immigraints wont be funded, then why not just explicitly say so in the damn bill !?

Decker I miss you. Stop arguing with these lesser conservatives and lets fight.  

Hey GW - just who are you including in your list of "lesser conservatives"?

[Decker]

Again,if the dealers arent getting reimbursed thats a failure.You know,they have bills to pay,employees to pay.Unlike the government,when a buisiness cant pay the bills,the people they owe dont accept "Sorry,the government is going to reimburse me.I will pay you when I get paid".They HAVE to pay on time or go out of buisiness.Its just not fair to make them wait for the money thats OWED and PROMISED to them.

The car dealers/salespeople are getting paid.  People are buying new cars at an increased clip.  The workers are paid from those purchases.  A portion (the 4500 stimulus) of that amount is being delayed for a small number of car dealers.

I think the commercial car dealerships will survive the delay.

[Decker]

Just a note- If the healthcare bill does not specifically outlaw abortion funding, then abortion funding is allowed-- There was a fairly recent medicaid case ( Not sure if it was Supreme Court though) which answered a similar question.

If as Obama claims abortion wont be funded, sex changes wont be funded and illegal immigraints wont be funded, then why not just explicitly say so in the damn bill !?

Decker I miss you. Stop arguing with these lesser conservatives and lets fight.  

Put your dukes up buddy.  It's go time on the knuckle sandwich express.

Authorizing Language is left broad to encompass a lot of stuff.  If we have exclusions itemized in the bill, I'd still be reading the 10,000 pages.

I'm certain someone will float an amendment like the kind you're suggesting.

[BM OUT]

The car dealers/salespeople are getting paid.  People are buying new cars at an increased clip.  The workers are paid from those purchases.  A portion (the 4500 stimulus) of that amount is being delayed for a small number of car dealers.

I think the commercial car dealerships will survive the delay.

Yeah,2% of dealerships are getting paid back in NY.You act as though 4500 isnt a lot of money.However,if you sell 200 cars ,4500 a clip IS a lot of money.Not many buisiness' can afford to be on the hook for that kind of money.

[240 is Back]

Put your dukes up buddy.  It's go time on the knuckle sandwich express.

LOL!

[Soul Crusher]

LOL!

Lets see Decker- all of us have manned up and posted pics.     

[240 is Back]

Lets see Decker- all of us have manned up and posted pics.    

deck, you should post a pic.  Billy's an angry portly man, but he's a top powerlifter.  tony uses profanity like his middle name but he's a great person to debate.  333386 posts his gun purchase dates and addresses.  HH6 posts from work computers in war zones.  Hugo takes time from depriving his people of social services to moderate here.  Ozmo takes the time to post on his palm Pilot at red lights. 

[Soul Crusher]

deck, you should post a pic.  Billy's an angry portly man, but he's a top powerlifter.  tony uses profanity like his middle name but he's a great person to debate.  333386 posts his gun purchase dates and addresses.  HH6 posts from work computers in war zones.  Hugo takes time from depriving his people of social services to moderate here.  Ozmo takes the time to post on his palm Pilot at red lights. 

Ha ha.  No gun purchases for me lately other than the 10/22 and GSG5 for the GF.  I think I'm done for real.  The only gun I like that i dont have is a SA Socom 2 .308 w synthetic stock.     

[240 is Back]

Ha ha.  No gun purchases for me lately other than the 10/22 and GSG5 for the GF.  I think I'm done for real.  The only gun I like that i dont have is a SA Socom 2 .308 w synthetic stock.     

have you read Billy's writings on EliteFTS?  He is a smart dude.  finished top 3 in nationals powerliting.

[Soul Crusher]

have you read Billy's writings on EliteFTS?  He is a smart dude.  finished top 3 in nationals powerliting.

Whats that? 

[James]

I don't see any language in the bill that authorizes tax dollar coverage of abortions.

If it does not specifically state that their is no funding for Abortions, then it can and will be used to pay for abortions .

This is what caused the "Hide Amendment" that was passed in 1976

The Hide Amendment was the provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortions for Medicaid.

Every Politician knows about the Hide Amendment, and if their is no provision ( wording barring funding for abortions) in this current Bill,  then Abortion is covered, plain and simple

[James]

Illegals are not eligible for Medicare or Social Security either.  This plan would seem to be in line with that.

Illegal Alien Children and pregnant Mothers already get coverage under "SCHIP"

as the Democrats did not put in words barring illegals from coverage with SCHIP

The same thing will happen with Obamacare, for adult illegals

[BM OUT]

deck, you should post a pic.  Billy's an angry portly man, but he's a top powerlifter.  tony uses profanity like his middle name but he's a great person to debate.  333386 posts his gun purchase dates and addresses.  HH6 posts from work computers in war zones.  Hugo takes time from depriving his people of social services to moderate here.  Ozmo takes the time to post on his palm Pilot at red lights. 

HEY!!!!I resent that.While its true that Im a rather...hmmmm,how should I put it...obese slob.I have been in decent shape before.Here is me from June 13 ,this year.Portly would be a rather unfair description.

http://photos.universalassociates4u.com/GalleryFilmstrip.aspx?gallery=210595&photo=7026474

[shootfighter1]

Billy, thats really impressive bro (the powerlifting), good pic too.

[Soul Crusher]

HEY!!!!I resent that.While its true that Im a rather...hmmmm,how should I put it...obese slob.I have been in decent shape before.Here is me from June 13 ,this year.Portly would be a rather unfair description.

http://photos.universalassociates4u.com/GalleryFilmstrip.aspx?gallery=210595&photo=7026474

Great shot.  How long did it take to get all that pro-tan off? 

[Decker]

Lets see Decker- all of us have manned up and posted pics.     

So now that you've been thoroughly debunked and beaten on healthcare you want to see the face of the man who did this to you?

At least I hope that's the reason for your request.

I should "Man up" by posting a 1/2 naked picture of myself....just for you?

That doesn't sound right.