Overwhelming Majority of Fox Viewers Don't Know Obama's Health Plan

[Dos Equis]

Women's reproductive health is NOT abortion. It is Pap smears, biopsies, bi-manuals, D & C's, gynecological exams, child birth, C-sections, tubal ligations, ovarian cysts, endometriosis, fibroid tumours, cervical cancer, etc., etc., and all issues related to the reproductive health of a woman. You wanna know what an abortion is? ...It is your thoughts connected to a keyboard! 

Wrong.  "Reproductive healthcare" absolutely includes abortion.  Hillary said pretty clearly. 

[shootfighter1]

Most of the Americans that are traveling to other countries for treatment go for experimental treatments (the most recent being stem cell therapy) that are not yet approved in the U.S.  It is widely known that far more people come here for surgeries and complex treatments.  I live in Cleveland and at the Cleveland Clinic we have had many people traveling from other countries for treatment.  Twice I remember Middle eastern royalty rent out a floor for a member of the royal family to have care.

[shootfighter1]

Strange...I remember reading "the Hyde amendment does not apply to medicaid" too Decker, that's why I listed the retort in my post.  Perhaps we both read it wrong but that's odd.

[James]

Strange...I remember reading "the Hyde amendment does not apply to medicaid" too Decker, that's why I listed the retort in my post.  Perhaps we both read it wrong but that's odd.

100 % correct.

Shootfighter1 and I both saw Decker's original post, where he said "the Hyde Amendment does not apply to Medicaid"

Decker has continued to deny it, and blame me for it over the weekend.  But the truth is out.

Decker is a liar.

[Decker]

Wrong.  "Reproductive healthcare" absolutely includes abortion.  Hillary said pretty clearly. 

The question posed by the senator had nothing to do with Obama's healthcare plan.  So the answer has nothing to do with Obama's healthcare plan.

[Decker]

Strange...I remember reading "the Hyde amendment does not apply to medicaid" too Decker, that's why I listed the retort in my post.  Perhaps we both read it wrong but that's odd.

It might have been or you might just have read James's quote that he fabricated showing my 'quote'.  Your reply came 3 minutes after his.

James's fabricated quote came some 22 minutes after I originally posted my reply.  There's no indication that I edited it. 

Anyways, that's small potatoes. 

[Soul Crusher]

It might have been or you might just have read James's quote that he fabricated showing my 'quote'.  Your reply came 3 minutes after his.

James's fabricated quote came some 22 minutes after I originally posted my reply.  There's no indication that I edited it. 

Anyways, that's small potatoes. 

If you think the govts handling of health care will any different than Cash for Clunkers, you need your head examined. 

[Decker]

100 % correct.

Shootfighter1 and I both saw Decker's original post, where he said "the Hyde Amendment does not apply to Medicaid"

Decker has continued to deny it, and blame me for it over the weekend.  But the truth is out.

Decker is a liar.

hahahha, if it weren't for lies and distortions you'd be silent at this forum.

You're a piece of shit.  I hope you fucking die.

Oh that's harsh.  I'm sorry. 

You're a fucking liar and I hope you die.  That's better.

[Decker]

If you think the govts handling of health care will any different than Cash for Clunkers, you need your head examined. 

It won't be easy b/c there are politicians holding the same beliefs as you.

Grassley doesn't want to negotiate a workable bill at all.  He wants to kill reform.

Life is complex.  Sometimes people are recalcitrant children.  They obstruct and destroy and offer no viable alternative.

The healthinsurance plan will pass. 

[James]

hahahha, if it weren't for lies and distortions you'd be silent at this forum.

You're a piece of shit.  I hope you fucking die.

Oh that's harsh.  I'm sorry.

You're fucking liar and I hope you die.  That's better.

Everyone now sees the true Decker   

[Decker]

Everyone now sees the true Decker   

I hope you fucking die a painful lonely miserable death.

That's closer to the truth.

[shootfighter1]

Agreed.  (not about your death wish for James, but about it being small potatoes in the grand scheme of discussion).

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Certain areas of that bill need to be more specific.  There are several areas left open to interpretation.  In the Women's health section, they need to specifically comment on if elective abortion is covered under the plan.
My opinion is that abortion should be covered if the pregnancy is in any way harming the mother. I think birth control pills or other methods should be covered as well...I know many would disagree with me but there are several reasons why this is wise.  I support the right for a woman to have a 1st term abortion (with some internal conflict) but elective abortions should not be covered.

[Soul Crusher]

You have 60 votes in the Senate a huge majority in the house. 

Stop bitching that your gang cant shoot straight. 

[James]

I hope you fucking die a painful lonely miserable death.

That's closer to the truth.

anything else ? 

[Mons Venus]

FOX vs. CNN/MSNBC: Here’s another way to look at the misinformation: In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will:

*give coverage to illegal immigrants,

*79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover,

*69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and

*75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly.

But it would be incorrect to suggest that this is ONLY coming from conservative viewers who tune in to FOX. In fact, 41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants, 39% believe the government takeover stuff, 40% believe the abortion misperception, and 30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma. What’s more, a good chunk of folks who get their news from broadcast TV (NBC, ABC, CBS) believe these things, too. This is about credible messengers using the media to get some of this misinformation out there, not as much about the filter itself. These numbers should worry Democratic operatives, as well as the news media that have been covering this story.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/08/19/2036015.aspx

So the misinformation/propaganda campaign by Big Insurance and the republican party is working.  It just works very well on loyal Fox viewers.

No real surprise there.

If it weren't for fear, death threats, intimidation and lies, the republican party would be silent on healthcare reform.

Faux News viewers R fuucccking imbeciles!

[Soul Crusher]

anything else ?

Decker is the perfect example of a liberal -

"In the face of failure - DOUBLE DOWN AND SPEND MORE!"

[James]

Decker is the perfect example of a liberal -

"In the face of failure - DOUBLE DOWN AND SPEND MORE!"

Decker is just having a temper tantrum, because he was caught changing his post, and shown to be a liar.

[Soul Crusher]

He is just having a temper tantrum, because he was caught changing his post, and shown to be a liar.

If I were a hardcore lib like Decker, I would be pissed off too. 

Imagine, for a year they bought into this dream of the new post racial president undoing the sins of Bush, being the first clean articulate black man to run for office, the transformational "One", etc only to see what he actually is - a failure.

Imagine all the promises Obama made to these people being let go one by one and how they feel about this. 

Imagine having 60 seats in the Senate, the majority in the House, etc, and cant get crap done other than a pork bill?

So I dont blame Decker, he got duped like many of the Obama voters.     

[Decker]

Decker is just having a temper tantrum, because he was caught changing his post, and shown to be a liar.

I'm praying to the Lord to take your life.

Oh Lord strike down James immediately,

make his death painful and immediate.  Kill him Lord, amen

And since we have free market of deities,

Satan, lord and master of the underworld, kill james,  smite him now prince of darkness, I pledge you his eternal soul as a reward for killing him, die, die, die

[Decker]

Decker is the perfect example of a liberal -

"In the face of failure - DOUBLE DOWN AND SPEND MORE!"

Government is bad.

18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance
WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm


333 says let 'em die, it's the free market at work.

Plus their deaths addresses the surplus population problem.

[James]

I'm praying to the Lord to take your life.

Oh Lord strike down James immediately,

make his death painful and immediate.  Kill him Lord, amen

And since we have free market of deities,

Satan, lord and master of the underworld, kill james,  smite him now prince of darkness, I pledge you his eternal soul as a reward for killing him, die, die, die

You need help.

[Kazan]

I'm praying to the Lord to take your life.

Oh Lord strike down James immediately,

make his death painful and immediate.  Kill him Lord, amen

And since we have free market of deities,

Satan, lord and master of the underworld, kill james,  smite him now prince of darkness, I pledge you his eternal soul as a reward for killing him, die, die, die

Dude you are seriously fucked up! Run, don't walk to the nearest head shrink.

[Decker]

anything else ?   

Oh Sky God Odin,

Take Thor's hammer and stick it up James's ass until he's dead.  I pray to you, kill him now.

And give his soul to Satan (we have a side deal going on).

[Kazan]

Government is bad.

18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance
WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm


333 says let 'em die, it's the free market at work.

Plus their deaths addresses the surplus population problem.

Guess what? Everybody gotta die sometime

[Soul Crusher]

I didnt say let them die.  I said lets get the govt out of this mess since their involvement will drive that number to at least 180,000 with the govts usual incompetence and failures.