Is Obama being dishonest about abortion and healthcare reform?

[tonymctones]

name the program that the self employed person with a pre-existing condition can use

let's make it easier.  It can also be a program for someone who has insurance but their company has denied coverage or and we can also add the person who has insurance but can't afford their 5k or 10k deductible

explain to me why we need a public option to fix that, please tell me that we cant pass legislation that does away with the pre existing conditions clause without providing health care to all.

Ive already said that im in favor of health care reform but youre proving my point the two are not mutually exclusive.

[Straw Man]

OK you not giving a tax break to a company effects more then just you, you get it?

youre tax money not going to the military effects more then just you, you get it?

you not paying into medicaid/medicare if you dont want the benefits only effects you, you get it?

and paying into a large insurance pool so that eveyone can have access to medical care effects more than YOU

DO YOU GET IT?

I'd be more than happy to let you not pay and fend for yourself among private insurance

the day you lose your job or your private company rejects your claim or the rescind you policy based on some technical bullshit don't come running to me.

as long as you have your cheap gas you'll be fine anyway

[Straw Man]

explain to me why we need a public option to fix that, please tell me that we cant pass legislation that does away with the pre existing conditions clause without providing health care to all.

Ive already said that im in favor of health care reform but youre proving my point the two are not mutually exclusive.

do you participate in a group policy for your health insurance?

[tonymctones]

and paying into a large insurance pool so that eveyone can have access to medical care effects more than YOU

DO YOU GET IT?

I'd be more than happy to let you not pay and fend for yourself among private insurance

the day you lose your job or your private company rejects your claim or the rescind you policy based on some technical bullshit don't come running to me.

as long as you have your cheap gas you'll be fine anyway

I DONT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE RIGHT NOW....GET IT?

I dont give a shit, you shouldnt pay for me and I shouldnt pay for you...

[Straw Man]

I DONT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE RIGHT NOW....GET IT?

I dont give a shit, you shouldnt pay for me and I shouldnt pay for you...

classic

that's just fucking classic

[Straw Man]

Tommy - why don't you have insurance?

[tonymctones]

explain to me why we need a public option to fix that, please tell me that we cant pass legislation that does away with the pre existing conditions clause without providing health care to all.

Ive already said that im in favor of health care reform but youre proving my point the two are not mutually exclusive.

go ahead and explain this straw

[Straw Man]

go ahead and explain this straw

why don't you have health insurance?

[tonymctones]

Tommy - why don't you have insurance?

OMGGGGG its Tony bro with and "N" not "MM" how long have we debated?

I have not had health insurance for quite some time now, I was an independent contractor in the construction industry still never had insurance that probably wasnt the best idea lol but Im back in school now and looking for a full time job right now.

[tonymctones]

why don't you have health insurance?

what are you 12? I asked you to explain something lets have a grown up conversation here.

[Straw Man]

OMGGGGG its Tony bro with and "N" not "MM" how long have we debated?

I have not had health insurance for quite some time now, I was an independent contractor in the construction industry still never had insurance that probably wasnt the best idea lol but Im back in school now and looking for a full time job right now.

whatever, I'm typing fast and watching food on the stove

Why don't you have insurance now.

you have money right?

why haven't you purchased insurance or availed yourself of one those govt programs that you can't name

[Straw Man]

what are you 12? I asked you to explain something lets have a grown up conversation here.

tell me why you haven't purcahsed insurance and I'll give you your answer

[tonymctones]

tell me why you haven't purcahsed insurance and I'll give you your answer

so you are 12...

Why don't you have insurance now.

you have money right?

why haven't you purchased insurance or availed yourself of one those govt programs that you can't name

did you look up gold card?

I do have money its best suited for other things right now school, rent, bills in general etc...

In all honesty straw theres no real reason I dont have health insurance I simply dont.

[Straw Man]

so you are 12...
did you look up gold card?

I do have money its best suited for other things right now school, rent, bills in general etc...

In all honesty straw theres no real reason I dont have health insurance I simply dont.

ok so..... you don't have insurance yet there is also no reason why you don't have insurance

it's got nothing to do with insurance being too expensive right?

how about this question

who is going to pay for your health care if you get in a horrible car accident tonight (and of course I hope you don't)

you get in a wreck and are horribly fucked up.

Should the hospital just say tough titties and refuse to treat you?

how about ongoing care, rehabilitation etc....

surely you don't expect the taxpayers to cover your bill?

[tonymctones]

ok so..... you don't have insurance yet there is also no reason why you don't have insurance

it's got nothing to do with insurance being too expensive right?

how about this question

who is going to pay for your health care if you get in a horrible car accident tonight (and of course I hope you don't)

you get in a wreck and are horribly fucked up.

Should the hospital just say tough titties and refuse to treat you?

how about ongoing care, rehabilitation etc....

surely you don't expect the taxpayers to cover your bill?

LOL no straw it doesnt have anything to do with the price of health care right now.

No I would not expect the tax payers to cover my bill, that doesnt mean I think you should pay for it.

Did you look up the gold card?

alright now please explain that to me...

[Straw Man]

LOL no straw it doesnt have anything to do with the price of health care right now.

No I would not expect the tax payers to cover my bill, that doesnt mean I think you should pay for it.

Did you look up the gold card?

alright now please explain that to me...

so you have ZERO health insurance right now?

is that correct?

and that is your choice and it has nothing to do with money

right?

right?

[tonymctones]

so you have ZERO health insurance right now?

is that correct?

and that is your choice and it has nothing to do with money

right?

right?

Ive played your game now you play mine explain that to me...

[Straw Man]

Ive played your game now you play mine explain that to me...

so you have the money to pay for insurance yet you choose not to do so

again, who is going to cover you in the case of a catastrophic event?

I know you don't want the US TAXPAYER to have to pay for it

I mean, you got your cheap gas,  what else can you expect from your GOVT

[tonymctones]

explain to me why we need a public option to fix that, please tell me that we cant pass legislation that does away with the pre existing conditions clause without providing health care to all.

Ive already said that im in favor of health care reform but youre proving my point the two are not mutually exclusive.

answer that bro and we will pick right back up on your tangent...and I dont have cheap gas

[Straw Man]

answer that bro and we will pick right back up on your tangent...and I dont have cheap gas

first - let's just be clear

I believe you don't have insurance because you can't afford it

if you have the money and you choose not to pay it then you're either stupid or a communist (i.e. you're fully aware that if you get fucked up then I/others/the rest of us will eventually have to pay for it)

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I'm ready to move on if you are

[tonymctones]

first - let's just be clear

I believe you don't have insurance because you can't afford it

if you have the money and you choose not to pay it then you're either stupid or a communist (i.e. you're fully aware that if you get fucked up then I/others/the rest of us will eventually have to pay for it)

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I'm ready to move on if you are

well come back to this like I said...but for now since I asked mine first and was good enough to answer yours, plz answer mine.

[Straw Man]

well come back to this like I said...but for now since I asked mine first and was good enough to answer yours, plz answer mine.

okay

first what do we agree on

1. you can't afford insurance

2. you can afford it but choose not to pay for it

  2a.  you're stupid
  2b. you're a cunning commie

[tonymctones]

explain to me why we need a public option to fix that, please tell me that we cant pass legislation that does away with the pre existing conditions clause without providing health care to all.

Ive already said that im in favor of health care reform but youre proving my point the two are not mutually exclusive.

come the fuck on straw grow the fuck up and explain this to me and i promise little guy we will get right back to your idiocy.

[Straw Man]

come the fuck on straw grow the fuck up and explain this to me and i promise little guy we will get right back to your idiocy.

dude

you are the PERFECT EXAMPLE of what we're talking about

I'm self employed and I have insurance which I pay for myself

you are the fucking problem

again

WHO will pay the bills if you wrap your car around a tree, get lyme disease, get attacked by a shark etc...


WHO WILL PAY THOSE BILLS?

[tonymctones]

explain to me why we need a public option to fix that, please tell me that we cant pass legislation that does away with the pre existing conditions clause without providing health care to all.

Ive already said that im in favor of health care reform but youre proving my point the two are not mutually exclusive.

BIZUMP

and Ill pay my own bills straw Im also searching for a full time job that provides healthcare you know just one of those other options out there 

now answer the fuking question jack ass