Kevin, Oh Kevin. Poor Levrone.

[Tony Doherty]

You cannot deny Kevin's achievements in bodybuilding, he was one of the best of all time.

As far as strength goes, forget it, he owned just about everyone. I remember Sonny telling me that he did a seminar with Kevin in Germany and Kevin benched 4 plates for 20 reps without even warming up.

If he decided to get back into competition he could easily do it. He was in my show in 2002 and out of shape, he went back to the USA had a crack and nearly beat Ronnie in the Mr Olympia that same year.

Absolute freak and a cool dude to work with.

Here are some shots of him meeting up with Sonny and I in Melbourne, Sonny rated him as one of the best of their era and loved being on the Euro tours with him.

[Mr Nobody]

Debussey wrote a semi-serious post hoping for you to engage in some serious non-productive discussion, and you come up with THAT? Where is your master-debating competitive spirit you fuckface? DEbussey thought this could become a hard headed argument  


You are right in that evaluating the importance and value of a field = difficult, but in this case you have to try to look at the total effects on the "human system" as it serves for a good standard (and it touches strongly upon the question you write about importance).

Let's just say that if you removed bodybuilding from the planet tomorrow, the impact would be miniscule compared to if you removed all of matematics tomorrow (haha, defining how this should be done and what should be removed = extremely difficult, but lets keep it simple for the sake of the example). If all of mathematics were removed, the human civilization would collapse and regress back to the stone age (no more technological development, no maintenace of existing technology, collapse of markets ect). If you removed bodybuilding, you'd get rid of a few roid monkeys and parts of the fitness industry, but the impact would be breadcrumbs compared to the civilization destructor called mathematics removingitis.

In the future, the world economy will become more and more based around technological improvement, and mathematics = key component in practically all of that. Hell, mathematics is a key component in the world economy itself, and it helps run practically all of our sciences in one way or another. What does bodybuilding to to rival these things?

And your example of Kevins inspirational power is not a good one.
There are tons of inspirational characters out there, and Kevin is not a well known one in the myriad of them, even if we limit ourselves to the sports world. The actual impact his accomplishment has had on no-roid monkeys = not that big, and it could be assumed that he has also inspired thousands of men and women to turn their bodies into laboratories for underground bacteria filled injectables. Since he was one of the top BB's, his inspirational power to the hardcore roid monkey would probably be insane.
So Kevin might have been the inspiration for criminal activtiy, Gay for paying, drug abuse and reckless living too, but at the same time he should get some credit for the share of healty people he might have helped "create".  

Hell, his inspiration might have caused more harm than good

Addition: Debussey does not include the average "gym goer" in the definition of a "bodybuilder" here.

Sum = If Bodybuilding was removed only bodybuilders suffer and Chick loses his job, remove math and the world will collapse.

[The Master]

Sum = If Bodybuilding was removed only bodybuilders suffer and Chick loses his job, remove math and the world will collapse.

Yes

And more importantly now: Debussey = trying to engage poor getbiggers in a semi-serious war of words. Debussey's "reasoning" can be attacked from so many fronts that the possibilities for oral word-wars = endless.

Bring it on biatches

[The Master]

Yes

And more importantly now: Debussey = trying to engage poor getbiggers in a semi-serious war of words. Debussey's "reasoning" can be attacked from so many fronts that the possibilities for oral word-wars = endless.

Bring it on biatches

If someone wanna scew the discussing and start throwing insults instead, go for it

[dr.chimps]

If someone wanna scew the discussing and start throwing insults instead, go for it

[hipolito mejia]

You cannot deny Kevin's achievements in bodybuilding, he was one of the best of all time.

As far as strength goes, forget it, he owned just about everyone. I remember Sonny telling me that he did a seminar with Kevin in Germany and Kevin benched 4 plates for 20 reps without even warming up.

If he decided to get back into competition he could easily do it. He was in my show in 2002 and out of shape, he went back to the USA had a crack and nearly beat Ronnie in the Mr Olympia that same year.

Absolute freak and a cool dude to work with.

Here are some shots of him meeting up with Sonny and I in Melbourne, Sonny rated him as one of the best of their era and loved being on the Euro tours with him.

You know is the perfect time to step aside when:

When people star talking about your achievements in order to justify whatever is that youre doing in present time.

[The Master]

For ability to throw insults, look to this man:

[Danimal77]

this video is so fucking funny.........kevin is such a braggadocio asshole its almost like a joke,.....if you watch the video, he is supposed to be talking about the upcoming olympia.......instead he takes the cameraman on a room by room tour of his new gym (which is now defunct like every other failure in levrones life)

WTF have you accomplished in your life? You are so obsessed with Kevin. Can you not see that if you didn't give a shit, you would stop with the hatred, but yet, it ensues.

[Danimal77]

Is that supposed to be impressive for someone full of drugs?

Yes, very much so.

If you were on the drugs he was on back then, would you have been able to bench 495, overhead press 405 and curl 100 pound dumbells with perfect form? Thought not.

[TechnoViking]

Just be careful Determinator...Depending how far down the rabbit hole of mathematics you want to go, it rarely ends well...To stay sane you have to stay connected to the grid...

[Determinator]

Point is he MOTIVATES & INSPIRES people all over the world each and every day with his acheivments.

You? Nobody would even notice if you died today.

Indeed, 'point is' : let use look at how levrone "inspires and motivates" people every day:

The Levrone CV:

'Career' as a (Bodybuilder)?

Failed music 'career.'

Failed acting(?) 'career.'

Return to bodybuilding, as he is talentless at everything else-but forgot that father time has ticked on and he's going nowhere at 43

Indeed, very 'inspiring.'

[Determinator]

If you view mathematics and bodybuilding as fields of "equal value" you can say that Levrone's achievements are far greater than Determinators.

If you take a more realistic approach and seeing mathematics as part of the group "mankinds finest intellectual pursuits" and seeing bodybuilding as part of the group "monkeys sticking needles up their ass, blowing sugah daddies cocks and taking years of their lives while posing for fags and teenagers with latent homosexual tendencies", then it is not far fetched to claim that mathematics is a far more worthy pursuit than bodybuilding.

With this in mind, claiming that Determinators achievement is greater than Levrones = not far fetched either (this is of course given that we are not judging by a sense of personal satisfaction that one get from attaining mastery and success (by witch sand castle competitions would be comparable to physics breakthroughs. The standard for comparison between fields and for assigning values of importance in this case  must be the criteria given in the second paragraph).

While Levrone is a part of a bizarre subculture where he really contributes nothing to humanity besides inspiration to a few fags with punctured arses, being part of the mathematical community (and getting a honors degree, quite an accomplishment) = being part of the tradition of brilliance that makes humans great, and one of the biggest reasons for the development of the modern civilization.

Determinator can do many things with his mathematical ability, and using his good intellect for something productive (like shaping the minds of young hopefuls) puts him in a position where he is absolutely "allowed" to make fun of former roid monkeys with an alcohol problem.

In Kevin's defence, at least he is trying to do something, and his odds of success does increase with every attempt. Unfortunately, even though the odds = increasing, it will still be pretty low as the man from an outsiders point of view = not very talented in music or acting, and there has been questions about his work ethic, an extremely important ingredient in reaching the pinnacle of any area. With his age and "late start" in mind, it is doubtful that he'll ever get the quantity of training needed to become successful in his field (and his charisma (the thing that probably carried Ahhnold to the top of Hollywood) is practically nonexistent, so unless his personality magically transforms, he is screwed.

Important question: What can Determinator contribute? He can shape young minds, he can help cracking engineering problems and so on. What can Kevin do with his skillset? Not much. For once: He is an absolutely crappy musician

And please don't use this post to analyze Arnold. Arnold is a different specimen and his bodybuilding legend should be viewed as a byproduct of a man with fantastical abilities and work ethic competing in an era where bodybuilding could be viewed as something more than an obscure drug fest. Arnold got himself to the top in 4 different areas, and should be worshipped for the personality attributes that made him great.

But let's not forget themain reason for this rare Debussey post: To deliver a message: Kiwol is a penis.

DeSpermInarseNator: Very good accomplishment with your degree. Did you participate in the Putnam competition? What was your score?

Thank you very much for your kind words. It is good to see someone who can see through the trees and do not kiss ass like the vast ma=jority of idiots that 'adorne' the board.

[OneManGang]

Indeed, 'point is' : let use look at how levrone "inspires and motivates" people every day:

The Levrone CV:

'Career' as a (Bodybuilder)?

Failed music 'career.'

Failed acting(?) 'career.'

Return to bodybuilding, as he is talentless at everything else-but forgot that father time has ticked on and he's going nowhere at 43

Indeed, very 'inspiring.'

Oh brother! The "successful" high school teacher is talking...

[SAMSON123]

Did a math degree 10 years after school. Got a first class honours classification and am now a math teacher. levrone would not have the intelligence to do that, hence, he'll just have to try and rewind the clock. Not much chance of that though, at what, 43 ?

And now you are teaching little snot nosed five year olds that one plus one equals two...BIG DEAL. It took you thousands of dollars and years of classes to do something any knothead could do right out the gate. Kevin may have to do some soul searching to find his groove... rather than trying to get into the movie industry maybe he should have gone after the training and nutritional guidance of movie stars...this would have been guaranteed money for him forever.

[lax]

He is in the top 10 of bodybuilders of all time
Who the fuck are you?
How can you mock anyone?

he never won an O

so

not in top 12

sorry

[lax]

I think Kevin is cool. He is way more multi-faceted than almost any other bodybuilder out there besides Arnold. Most bodybuilders seem very one dimensional. Kevin wanted to also sing and be in a band..From some accounts, he wasn't that bad ..and I bet he really enjoyed doing it. There's something to be said about enjoying the process..whatever it is. He wanted to be in films..and he made a few..he didn't suck that bad. Again, I bet he had an awesome time doing it. So what if he doesn't get worldwide acclaim..He got into something and he tried it. Hell, I went to film school a few years back..made some fims and they won at film festivals. I have some feature films in the various stages of development. If I don't get famous, no big deal..but like Kevin, the experience has been enriching. It's not always just about the "making it big" thing..It's about pursuing things that you like and being creative..something most bodybuilders wouldn't get. Props to Kevin.

and that, my friend, is the problem

[JimmyJam1974]

Perhaps KL had relations with this dude's wife?

[PANDAEMONIUM]

Perhaps KL had relations with this dude's wife?

You have a lot of nerve dissing people's wives when your "wife" used to be a man.

[Earl1972]

he had acting roles and supposedly sold 100,000 records, i don't know how that can be considered a failure

how do you measure an actor or musicians success? platinum albums and oscar nominations?

i say he accomplished quite a bit and more than most

also i highly doubt a teacher that starts a thread like this is an inspiration to his students

E

[Croatch]

This thread=classic.

Only on getbig, can you be knocked for pursuing things you love, can you be called a "failure".
hahah

[OneManGang]

he had acting roles and supposedly sold 100,000 records, i don't know how that can be considered a failure

how do you measure an actor or musicians success? platinum albums and oscar nominations?

i say he accomplished quite a bit and more than most

also i highly doubt a teacher that starts a thread like this is an inspiration to his students

E

He was just kidding when he bragged about his math degree. The truth is that he works with 3 year olds in the kindergarden. He owns them and now he thinks he can own Levrone and us.

[TRIX]

he never won an O

so

not in top 12

sorry

20 wins, lowest place was 6th. Best record in body building ever.

[TRIX]

Competitive history

* 1992 Chicago Pro Invitational, 3rd
* 1992 [[Night of Champions]], 1st
* 1992 [[Mr. Olympia]], 2nd
* 1993 Grand Prix France (2), 5th
* 1993 Grand Prix Germany (2), 1st
* 1993 Grand Prix Spain, 3rd
* 1993 Mr. Olympia, 5th
* 1994 [[Arnold Classic]], 1st
* 1994 Grand Prix England, 2nd
* 1994 Grand Prix France (2), 1st
* 1994 Grand Prix Germany, 2nd
* 1994 Grand Prix Italy, 1st
* 1994 Grand Prix Spain, 2nd
* 1994 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
* 1994 San Jose Pro Invitational, 1st
* 1995 Grand Prix England, 2nd
* 1995 Grand Prix Germany, 1st
* 1995 Grand Prix Russia, 1st
* 1995 Grand Prix Spain, 1st
* 1995 Mr. Olympia, 2nd

* 1996 Arnold Classic, 1st
* 1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 2nd
* 1996 Grand Prix England, 2nd
* 1996 Grand Prix Germany, 3rd
* 1996 Grand Prix Russia, 2nd
* 1996 Grand Prix Spain, 2nd
* 1996 Grand Prix Switzerland, 3rd
* 1996 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
* 1996 San Jose Pro Invitational, 1st
* 1997 Arnold Classic, 2nd
* 1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix England, 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Finland, 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Germany, 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Hungary, 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Russia, 2nd
* 1997 Grand Prix Spain, 1st
* 1997 Mr. Olympia, 4th
* 1998 Grand Prix Finland, 2nd

* 1998 Grand Prix Germany, 2nd
* 1998 Night of Champions, 2nd
* 1998 Mr. Olympia, 4th
* 1998 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st
* 1998 Toronto Pro Invitational, 2nd
* 1999 Arnold Classic, 2nd
* 1999 Grand Prix England, 3rd
* 1999 Mr. Olympia, 4th
* 1999 World Pro Championships, 3rd
* 2000 Arnold Classic, 3rd
* 2000 Mr. Olympia, 2nd
* 2001 Grand Prix England, 1st
* 2001 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
* 2002 Arnold Classic, 5th
* 2002 Grand Prix Australia, 4th
* 2002 Mr. Olympia, 2nd
* 2003 Arnold Classic, 5th
* 2003 Mr. Olympia, 6th
* 2003 Show of Strength Pro Championship, 3rd

[TRIX]

64 contests, 50 top 3 positions.

[TRIX]

2 lowest placings of 6th in 97 and 03. All the rest are top 5 .epic career