Author Topic: Arnold in his prime could not win a pro card this year. (Read 6888 times)

affeman · « **Reply #50 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:31:29 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 28, 2009, 04:27:21 PM

Great post ! succinct

Could Arnold equal Dorian if everything was equal?

wes · « **Reply #51 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:36:54 PM »

Arnold was the man..................... ..PERIOD!!

Hulkster · « **Reply #52 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:38:43 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on August 28, 2009, 11:48:17 AM

Just like ND you use only some of the lamest comparisons out there, curtesy the low standards of iron age lol

yup.

Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:

however, as correctly mentioned, this is because of different eras with different technologies/drugs.

Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.

if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #53 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:40:26 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on August 28, 2009, 04:38:43 PM

yup.

Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:

And still you feel the need to post pics and argue about it.

wes · « **Reply #54 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:40:59 PM »

A 30 something year difference is hardly a fair comparison...........hen ce a waste of a thread by Taylor once again.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #55 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:43:52 PM »

Quote from: affeman on August 28, 2009, 04:31:29 PM

Could Arnold equal Dorian if everything was equal?

Sure why not? I don't think we ever seen a ' best ever ' Arnold he retired really young when most guys are hitting their strides these days

Pollux · « **Reply #56 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:47:31 PM »

I've said it once and I'll say it again...

It speaks volume when you're awarded the IFBB Gold Order as being the GREATEST bodybuilder of the 20th century.

Pollux · « **Reply #57 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:48:33 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 28, 2009, 04:43:52 PM

Sure why not? I don't think we ever seen a ' best ever ' Arnold he retired really young when most guys are hitting their strides these days

Exactly! Age 33 (1980 Mr. Olympia).

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #58 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:24:04 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on August 28, 2009, 04:38:43 PM

yup.

Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:

however, as correctly mentioned, this is because of different eras with different technologies/drugs.

Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.

if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..

Being a hard worker is typically the hallmark of becoming Mr. Olympia. In that vein, Ronnie and Arnold are similar. Additionally, they both have genetic gifts that helped them reach the top. I would suggest, however, that Arnold would prevail if competing in the same era as Ronnie. Arnold is truly a unique individual, with a drive and determination very seldom seen. In many ways, he parallels his terminator character, as he refuses to let anything detour him, no matter what obstacles present themselves. Arnold would will himself to victory and raise his game to whatever level necessary to defeat his opponent. Is Ronnie not strong willed? Certainly, but I do not believe in the same manner as Arnold. Arnold's biggest strength may not be his body, but rather, his mental fortitude to succeed.

KevinP85 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:38:43 PM »

Why even compare?? Different era, different kind of drugs like others have said. Another dumbass thread by yours truely Tbombz! Seriously dude, you need to lay off the crack pipe.

It's like comparing a 1972/3 BMW 2002 turbo vs. a 2009 BMW M3. Completely stupid, of course the latter would be better in just about every aspect because it's a 30 year difference. Atleast I would hope so, Arnold in his time dominated. Now you have too many bber's who are 5'6, 5'4. Not much over 5'11.

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #60 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:46:05 PM »

Quote from: Ryan on August 28, 2009, 07:38:43 PM

Why even compare?? Different era, different kind of drugs like others have said. Another dumbass thread by yours truely Tbombz! Seriously dude, you need to lay off the crack pipe.

It's like comparing a 1972/3 BMW 2002 turbo vs. a 2009 BMW M3. Completely stupid, of course the latter would be better in just about every aspect because it's a 30 year difference. Atleast I would hope so, Arnold in his time dominated. Now you have too many bber's who are 5'6, 5'4. Not much over 5'11.

True, but there are those that would have an affinity more towards the look of the vintage car.

KevinP85 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:51:53 PM »

Quote from: Mr.1derful on August 28, 2009, 07:46:05 PM

True, but there are those that would have an affinity more towards the look of the vintage car.

True, but in terms of speed, comfort, safety, tech, new models are superior. Looks are subjective like bbing, but there's no denying that that present day bbing owns old age in muscularity, conditioning, etc... I would hope so given the 30 year difference.

In bbing, I perfer the vintage look hence Arnold, plus he's white and is over 6 foot tall. The ultimate Aryan

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #62 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:58:24 PM »

Quote from: Ryan on August 28, 2009, 07:51:53 PM

True, but in terms of speed, comfort, safety, tech, new models are superior. Looks are subjective like bbing, but there's no denying that that present day bbing owns old age in muscularity, conditioning, etc... I would hope so given the 30 year difference.

In bbing, I perfer the vintage look hence Arnold, plus he's white and is over 6 foot tall. The ultimate Aryan

lol

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #63 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:17:20 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on August 28, 2009, 04:38:43 PM

Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.

if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..

LOL what a lame comparison Arnold at age 23 was allready Mr.O and forced to trim down (AT THAT AGE)since he lost to Zane in 1969 50 pounds litghter than him.
So he NEVER reached his potential, Ronnie won the O at 34, after 10 years plus of drug abuse and shitty calves.

Yes same GENETICS...LOL

noworries · « **Reply #64 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on August 28, 2009, 04:38:43 PM

yup.

Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:

however, as correctly mentioned, this is because of different eras with different technologies/drugs.

Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.

if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..

How do type so much with Colemans dick in your mouth

noworries · « **Reply #65 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:29:14 PM »

Quote from: divcom on August 28, 2009, 10:53:02 AM

we already know what ronnie's base physique before the drugs. a pretty nice size college LBer. next? i'm betting he kills 99% of the guys on this site...esp athletically in his day.

Pretty sure he was on drugs then too. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Sir Bigness · « **Reply #66 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:32:42 PM »

Arnold was the MAN!! He's the Ronnie of today. Dorian of yesterday. Lee Haney of the day before!! Give these guys credit!! Each took it to the next level!!

alnassak · « **Reply #67 on:** August 29, 2009, 12:06:58 AM »

Ronnie is bigger, harder & more conditioned than Arnold, but that will not change the fact the Arnold had a more eye pleasing physique that everyone is aiming for.

At least for me I would rather look like Arnold than to look like Ronnie .

pumpster · « **Reply #68 on:** August 29, 2009, 12:22:31 AM »

Quote from: alnassak on August 29, 2009, 12:06:58 AM

Ronnie is bigger, harder & more conditioned than Arnold, but that will not change the fact the Arnold had a more eye pleasing physique that everyone is aiming for.

At least for me I would rather look like Arnold than to look like Ronnie .

Anyone who feels this way has to factor in that the preference is usually not just Arnold, it's the era-they would probably say the same thing about any number of 60s-70s BBs vs. today's guys.

pumpster · « **Reply #69 on:** August 29, 2009, 12:38:28 AM »

As far as the speculation/wishful thinking by the usual assortment of Arnold hangers-on and misfits that Schwarzenegger would've gotten better had he continued competing, that's very debatable[/b]. Factoring in the length of time he was juicing and training seriously beginning in his early teens, his career was about as long as Colemans and I suspect based on the visual evidence coupled with his actions he knew by 73-74 he'd gone as far as he could in terms of BB goals.

Most of the Arnold ball lickers don't train and thus don't comprehend that Schwarzie knew to hang it up at his best; perfect fodder for babbling groupies then and now to continue the what-ifs lol. He only came out of retirement a couple of times for movie-related reasons, not for BB purposes.

The drugs are another issue and they likely would've been a big factor BUT we'll never know that nor what the downsides on his appearance would've been either.

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post those pics of arnold at the contest after the 1975 or 1980 olympia...when he was competing at a heavier weight.

I think you mean some other years.

Rami · « **Reply #70 on:** August 29, 2009, 12:42:27 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on August 28, 2009, 09:29:58 AM

"best ever" ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..

They didnt have muscletech back then no?

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #71 on:** August 29, 2009, 09:38:16 AM »

dats vicky gates's baby he's carrying

uberman09 · « **Reply #72 on:** August 29, 2009, 09:44:42 AM »

they both look more human when OFF STEROIDS.

The Wizard of Truth · « **Reply #73 on:** August 29, 2009, 10:13:00 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on August 28, 2009, 04:22:26 PM

could never? I'm not sure if this is just bad grammar or what. If you mean Arnold never did equal Ronnie on size and conditioning, well of course, they were in different eras with different drugs. If instead you mean if everything else was equal, Ronnie would still dominate Arnold, then you don't know what you're talking about. Compare Arnold at 16 with Ronnie at 16. They were either both drug free, or pretty close to it. Arnold was the better athlete, had the better physique when they were in their teens. Compare Arnold and Ronnie when they both only used steroids. Arnold would dominate. Compare when they both used GH, Ronnie would dominate, but that's because he was still an up and coming bodybuilder, and Arnold was making billions of dollars for the movie studios. Compare Arnold and Ronnie were doing gh and insulin and a whole bunch of other drugs. Whoops, Arnold never used the current drugs, at least not in any significant way.

To put it another way, what makes an athlete tops in his field? Genetics knowledge, resources, and drive. Ronnie has the bigger physique because of better knowledge and resources (better drugs, better ways to use them). Arnold is one of the most driven persons in the world. And Arnold had incredible genetics. If a young bodybuilder with Arnold's genetics and drive were to take all the drugs Ronnie has taken, there is no reason to think he couldn't accomplish just as much, if not more.

Well Ronnie is a borderline downs syndrome
Arnold is among one of the most shrewd clever men on earth

pumpster · « **Reply #74 on:** August 29, 2009, 10:13:14 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger on August 29, 2009, 09:38:16 AM

dats vicky gates's baby he's carrying

Actually it was confirmed as a transplant.