Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death

[Dr Loomis]

why would we need legislation if EQUAL or NOT?

I thought your position that it was not equal and that the man was at disadvantage

sorry, maybe I'm confusing you with Tony

Your right, my position is that its not equal. I dont think i said it was.

if a woman can abort or carry a mans child without his consent, do you feel its wrong for a man to hold those same options?

[Dr Loomis]

WHEN A MAN CAN "LOGICALLY" GET PREGNANT YOU CAN THEN "LOGICALLY" GIVE HIM THE SAME CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!


Duh!

assuming everything is consentual, why would you instantly take all the mans options away from him at conception when they mutually went into the pregnancy?

[Deedee]

again dee you KNOW NOTHING AND I MEAN NOTHING OF ME AND MY LIFE SO PLEASE STOP

If i happend to get a girl pregnant which i have only a 99.9% chance of doing since I use contraceptives, who knew they worked?   I would do what I needed to do to take care of my child. I go to night school as it is dee so i could still work and go to school.

Hey im fine if you want to cut off funds to them all together its your ilk and your bleeding heart that advocates for that.

I was responding to your   because you seem to know SO much about women and being pregnant.  

And the reason there are laws in place today making people take responsibility for their gazillion children, is because they AREN'T just like YOU!

You've already said you think it's fair that women bear all responsibility for children if they don't abort... meaning you think men should not be responsible for birth control, or the 30 children they father, if that's how they want to splatter their man essence. You think it's just fine that when you start working, your taxes pay for them.

My bleeding heart thinks it's just fine for everyone to be responsible for the children they bring into the world. Funny how that works.

[Straw Man]

assuming everything is consentual, why would you instantly take all the mans options away from him at conception when they mutually went into the pregnancy?

what do you think the mans options should be?

[Dr Loomis]

what do you think the mans options should be?

the same as the mothers 

[Straw Man]

the same as the mothers 

really, so you think man should have control over the womans body?

isn't this where we started?

[tonymctones]

I was responding to your   because you seem to know SO much about women and being pregnant.  

And the reason there are laws in place today making people take responsibility for their gazillion children, is because they AREN'T just like YOU!

You've already said you think it's fair that women bear all responsibility for children if they don't abort... meaning you think men should not be responsible for birth control, or the 30 children they father, if that's how they want to splatter their man essence. You think it's just fine that when you start working, your taxes pay for them.

My bleeding heart thinks it's just fine for everyone to be responsible for the children they bring into the world. Funny how that works.

huh my heart says you should own up to your responsibilities guess abortion wouldnt be much of a problem if ppl just did that huh?

apparently you think its ok for women to shrink away from the responsibilities and force a man to pay for something that is out of his hands...real fair  

[tonymctones]

really, so you think man should have control over the womans body?

isn't this where we started?

who is saying a man should have control over a womens body for the love of shit straw drop that retarded shit.

You seriously cant be this fuking dense bro

[Straw Man]

who is saying a man should have control over a womens body for the love of shit straw drop that retarded shit.

You seriously cant be this fuking dense bro

well loomis thinks the man should have the same rights as the woman

how about this

the man has the same right to abort the fetus in his womb as a woman does

that's fair right

no one can argue with that

[Dr Loomis]

really, so you think man should have control over the womans body?

isn't this where we started?

a man should have the exact same options as the mother when it comes to the child that they conceived.

[Straw Man]

a man should have the exact same options as the mother when it comes to the child that they conceived.

so the if the man decides he wants the woman to birth his child then he should have that choice

right?

[Dr Loomis]

well loomis thinks the man should have the same rights as the woman

how about this

the man has the same right to abort the fetus in his womb as a woman does

that's fair right

no one can argue with that

why not?

if she disagrees then why shouldnt he have the legal option to walk away and let her do what she wanst with her body and child she wants? yet legally he cant do that. is that fair to you?

[Dr Loomis]

so the if the man decides he wants the woman to birth his child then he should have that choice

right?

exactly. isnt that what they were thinking when they had consentual unprotected sex when she was ovulating? or buyers remorse takes a mans options away, but not a womans?

[Deedee]

huh my heart says you should own up to your responsibilities guess abortion would be much of a problem if ppl just did that huh?

apparently you think its ok for women to shrink away from the responsibilities and force a man to pay for something that is out of his hands...real fair  

Oh don't be stupid. For eons, women have born the complete responsibility of raising bastards on their own. Ostracized and murdered. Look around you at the muslim world. Used to be ours, maybe 60 years ago.  Suddenly, safe, legal abortion came into the pic, and only THEN, did men suddenly want their kids.

Part of it also is the change in society, where men are allowed to feel loving and want their children. But that's nowhere in anything you've posted. Your whole thing is about men getting screwed financially.  

[Straw Man]

why not?

if she disagrees then why shouldnt he have the legal option to walk away and let her do what she wanst with her body and child she wants? yet legally he cant do that. is that fair to you?

okay, we finally agree on something

the man has the same right to abort the fetus in his womb as a woman does

[Straw Man]

exactly. isnt that what they were thinking when they had consentual unprotected sex when she was ovulating? or buyers remorse takes a mans options away, but not a womans?

I guess we're done

you think you should have control over someone else body

I disagree and so does society and the law

[240 is Back]

i'm against abortion, personally.

but it's funny when Bbers cry that congress is trying to prevent them from doing what they want to ther body.  Then, they declare they should be able to control what a woman does to her body.



If you give the govt the ability to tell a woman what to do, bend over and take it without lube when Joe lawmaker decides to take away your right to nandrolone.

[tonymctones]

Oh don't be stupid. For eons, women have born the complete responsibility of raising bastards on their own. Ostracized and murdered. Look around you at the muslim world. Used to be ours, maybe 60 years ago.  Suddenly, safe, legal abortion came into the pic, and only THEN, did men suddenly want their kids.

Part of it also is the change in society, where men are allowed to feel loving and want their children. But that's nowhere in anything you've posted. Your whole thing is about men getting screwed financially.  

I guess that justifies not giving men a choice then right?

and as youve already agreed its not fair, but i guess your ok with it as long as its in your favor huh?

[Dr Loomis]

I guess we're done

you think you should have control over someone else body

I disagree and so does society and the law

Well, personally i dont agree. im simply showing you that there is no equality in it. I will never be in that situation but if so, i would let the woman do what she wanted and more than hold up my end of the 50-50  bargain

definitely not fair or equal to have no say though 

[tonymctones]

i'm against abortion, personally.

but it's funny when Bbers cry that congress is trying to prevent them from doing what they want to ther body.  Then, they declare they should be able to control what a woman does to her body.



If you give the govt the ability to tell a woman what to do, bend over and take it without lube when Joe lawmaker decides to take away your right to nandrolone.

well i dont use roids and the govt has the right to tell me to bend over and take it up the tail pipe in regards to this issue...that seem fair to you?

[Straw Man]

Well, personally i dont agree. im simply showing you that there is no equality in it. I will never be in that situation but if so, i would let the woman do what she wanted and more than hold up my end of the 50-50  bargain

definitely not fair or equal to have no say though 

Gotcha

you're saying life is unfair

and if you believe in God (not saying you do) then that's probably Gods fault

[240 is Back]

well i dont use roids and the govt has the right to tell me to bend over and take it up the tail pipe in regards to this issue...that seem fair to you?

what issue, abortion or steroids?

[tonymctones]

Gotcha

you're saying life is unfair

and if you believe in God (not saying you do) then that's probably Gods fault

its the govt responsibility to treat all ppl equal under the law isnt it?

as you agree it isnt equal is it?

[Straw Man]

its the govt responsibility to treat all ppl equal under the law isnt it?

as you agree it isnt equal is it?

really

what country to you live in?

regarding "it"

If you mean bearing children then yeah it's not equal

the woman have the greater burden

that's what you meant right?

[Deedee]

I guess that justifies not giving men a choice then right?

and as youve already agreed its not fair, but i guess your ok with it as long as its in your favor huh?

How does it sit in my favor? I would never have an abortion, but would be prepared to raise a child on my own against all odds. I don't think it would be easy at all. It would be great hardship. And sometimes birth control fails  

There is plenty that works in your favor. You can get someone preggers, relieve yourself of responsibility while you go to school, (not her though, she sort of has to leave if there is no family money) then cough up some bucks when you really start to be successful. Or you can get married. Or not, but love your child and willingly take half responsibility. Or go over to your girlfriend's house with a baseball bat and threaten her if she doesn't have an abortion. Or kick her down the stairs if you're both meth freaks. Or have 30 kids with a bunch of women and claim poverty when the law catches up with you.

All those scenarios play out daily. I don't get you, honestly.