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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #150 on: August 30, 2009, 07:44:19 PM »
How does it sit in my favor? I would never have an abortion, but would be prepared to raise a child on my own against all odds. I don't think it would be easy at all. It would be great hardship. And sometimes birth control fails   ???

There is plenty that works in your favor. You can get someone preggers, relieve yourself of responsibility while you go to school, (not her though, she sort of has to leave if there is no family money) then cough up some bucks when you really start to be successful. Or you can get married. Or not, but love your child and willingly take half responsibility. Or go over to your girlfriend's house with a baseball bat and threaten her if she doesn't have an abortion. Or kick her down the stairs if you're both meth freaks. Or have 30 kids with a bunch of women and claim poverty when the law catches up with you.

All those scenarios play out daily. I don't get you, honestly.
you and all women have a CHOICE more then ANY MAN HAS...thats how it works in your favor

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #151 on: August 30, 2009, 07:45:42 PM »
you know i really hope you dont go around and think that glass ceilings are wrong or that its wrong for women to get paid less for the same job b/c its unfair but you probably do you want your cake and want to eat it to darling shit doesnt work that way remember we are all equals...

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #152 on: August 30, 2009, 07:46:19 PM »
you and all women have a CHOICE more then ANY MAN HAS...thats how it works in your favor
what does that mean ???

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #153 on: August 30, 2009, 07:55:09 PM »
what does that mean ???
it means that if a women wants an abortion she can have one, if she wants to have the kid she can and knows that the man will be forced to pay child support.

the man on the other hand is sent to wait in the corner until the women deems which route she wants to choose...

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #154 on: August 30, 2009, 08:12:17 PM »
you know i really hope you dont go around and think that glass ceilings are wrong or that its wrong for women to get paid less for the same job b/c its unfair but you probably do you want your cake and want to eat it to darling shit doesnt work that way remember we are all equals...

So now you're admitting what it's all about for you.   :)

Unfortunately, for you, when it comes to children, our society is in favor of giving them a better life than bastard status, beat-at-will orphanages, and shit-hole living conditions. Sorry, has nothing to do with feminism. In fact, if you were out there promoting abortion, women wouldn't feel as bad about it as they do.

Wrong thread to be promoting your point of view about women taking full responsibility for all pregnancies. 




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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #155 on: August 30, 2009, 08:15:22 PM »
So now you're admitting what it's all about for you.   :)

Unfortunately, for you, when it comes to children, our society is in favor of giving them a better life than bastard status, beat-at-will orphanages, and shit-hole living conditions. Sorry, has nothing to do with feminism. In fact, if you were out there promoting abortion, women wouldn't feel as bad about it as they do.

Wrong thread to be promoting your point of view about women taking full responsibility for all pregnancies. 
omg i hope youre not married b/c id feel really bad for your husband you twist and spin everything...hed say you look pretty and you would respond, youre cheating on me... ::)

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #156 on: August 30, 2009, 08:21:02 PM »
what does that mean ???

It means that while Bush was in power, he supported all no-abortion memes. Not even women who went into a Catholic hospital after they were raped to get the morning-after pill. It was fine they didn't get them. Now that Obama is in the office of the stupid, he has changed his tune.

Then, no abortion for anybody. Now, everyone must have one.  ::)

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #157 on: August 30, 2009, 08:28:11 PM »
It means that while Bush was in power, he supported all no-abortion memes. Not even women who went into a Catholic hospital after they were raped to get the morning-after pill. It was fine they didn't get them. Now that Obama is in the office of the stupid, he has changed his tune.

Then, no abortion for anybody. Now, everyone must have one.  ::)
yup thats exactly it deedee

again skip this is why you cant have a rational discussion about this issue...

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #158 on: August 30, 2009, 08:34:50 PM »
omg i hope youre not married b/c id feel really bad for your husband you twist and spin everything...hed say you look pretty and you would respond, youre cheating on me... ::)

Funny that. Because from what I read from you, I would say that you probably would take care of whatever child you produced.

You just don't seem to understand the myriad of real life situations that don't fit into a big statement on a message board, or a tutored class. I don't spin and twist anything. Just have traveled a lot, and really try to see things from all angles. And also, whatever doesn't cost the taxpayer is fine with me. Other than that, I'm a bleeding heart, and you should be too if you are a true conservative. The old country conservative doctor took a chicken instead of cash from his poor patients. We all have to live together.

You're some hybrid corpie thing that is frightening.

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #159 on: August 30, 2009, 08:53:00 PM »
Funny that. Because from what I read from you, I would say that you probably would take care of whatever child you produced.

You just don't seem to understand the myriad of real life situations that don't fit into a big statement on a message board, or a tutored class. I don't spin and twist anything. Just have traveled a lot, and really try to see things from all angles. And also, whatever doesn't cost the taxpayer is fine with me. Other than that, I'm a bleeding heart, and you should be too if you are a true conservative. The old country conservative doctor took a chicken instead of cash from his poor patients. We all have to live together.

You're some hybrid corpie thing that is frightening.
hahaha i guess ill take that as a compliment

LOL you seem to think i lack real world experience dee but again you know nothing of me. Ive traveled as well have been all over this country and a few places around the world. The problem is darlin you cant make exceptions for every case with a twist or circumstance the guidelines we have now for abortion and the fathers rights arent fair as youve already admitted.

If youre so worried about tax payers dollars let do away with all help then, hows that sound?

Yes we do all have to live together and being fair to all under the law would be the easiest way to do that. Youve already admitted that the law isnt fair in this situation to the father so what would be the logical thing to do?

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #160 on: August 30, 2009, 09:12:33 PM »
hahaha i guess ill take that as a compliment

LOL you seem to think i lack real world experience dee but again you know nothing of me. Ive traveled as well have been all over this country and a few places around the world. The problem is darlin you cant make exceptions for every case with a twist or circumstance the guidelines we have now for abortion and the fathers rights arent fair as youve already admitted.

If youre so worried about tax payers dollars let do away with all help then, hows that sound?

Yes we do all have to live together and being fair to all under the law would be the easiest way to do that. Youve already admitted that the law isnt fair in this situation to the father so what would be the logical thing to do?

Don't take it as a compliment. You have lost the vision of conservatism and replaced it with corpie "let them all die" mentality. That was never the vision of conservatism. It used to be an honor system, helping those in need, but that has lapsed. Partially because the world is too large and terrible. Partially, because conservatives have lost their way.

It's you who makes the exception to the rule, because most men seem to want to have a connection with their child.

I said it wasn't fair that men don't get to make the decision to "poof, it goes away" because unfortunately, it's the woman who both - unfairly carries the health risk burden, that you claim isn't there,  ::) and there are morals that both men and women have to abide by. I'm positive that many woman would also like the "poof, it goes away" thing.

Again, it's hilarious that you chose this thread to make your stand, but by all means, you and the fundies fight it out. Let us women know what you decide. Either way, women will be getting abortions. And they will be raising children. Either be there or don't. Go back in time, or not.

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #161 on: August 30, 2009, 09:17:31 PM »
Don't take it as a compliment. You have lost the vision of conservatism and replaced it with corpie "let them all die" mentality.

if tony could actually understand what you're saying his head would explode

as a point of reference, tony can't afford health insurance yet is not in favor of health care reform, public option, single payer, etc...

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« Reply #162 on: August 30, 2009, 09:17:53 PM »
Don't take it as a compliment. You have lost the vision of conservatism and replaced it with corpie "let them all die" mentality. That was never the vision of conservatism. It used to be an honor system, helping those in need, but that has lapsed. Partially because the world is too large and terrible. Partially, because conservatives have lost their way.

It's you who makes the exception to the rule, because most men seem to want to have a connection with their child.

I said it wasn't fair that men don't get to make the decision to "poof, it goes away" because unfortunately, it's the woman who both - unfairly carries the health risk burden, that you claim isn't there,  ::) and there are morals that both men and women have to abide by. I'm positive that many woman would also like the "poof, it goes away" thing.

Again, it's hilarious that you chose this thread to make your stand, but by all means, you and the fundies fight it out. Let us women know what you decide. Either way, women will be getting abortions. And they will be raising children. Either be there or don't. Go back in time, or not.
LOL darling im done arguing with your ass believe what you want to believe time will in all likelihood prove me right as it is already becoming more and more of an issue.

youve perverted my argument to meet your own idealistic requirements so that you can knock it down to many times

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #163 on: August 30, 2009, 09:19:14 PM »
if tony could actually understand what you're saying his head would explode

as a point of reference, tony can't afford health insurance yet is not in favor of health care reform, public option, single payer, etc...
not at all again you created a straw man dip shit...

Im am and have always been in favor of health care reform simply not a public option or single payer...

I also can afford health care yet another straw man I simply am choosing to exercise one of my many options and get a job that provides it for me.  ;)

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #164 on: August 30, 2009, 09:22:48 PM »
not at all again you created a straw man dip shit...

Im am and have always been in favor of health care reform simply not a public option or single payer...

I also can afford health care yet another straw man I simply am choosing to exercise one of my many options and get a job that provides it for me.  ;)

right, how could I forget.

You can afford insurance but you choose not to pay for it and if you have a serious health crisis who will wind up paying for that again?

not you right?

but you don't need an affordable public option (maybe one that costs nothing when you're unemployed)


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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #165 on: August 30, 2009, 09:24:54 PM »
right, how could I forget.

You can afford insurance but you choose not to pay for it and if you have a serious health crisis who will wind up paying for that again?

not you right?

but you don't need an affordable public option (maybe one that costs nothing when you're unemployed)
Again yes I can I can also afford to pay to go to college as well you want me to show you reciepts or what?  ::)

why do we need an afordable public option when the legislation that obama is proposing will supposedly lower health care costs, is obama lying?

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #166 on: August 30, 2009, 09:26:59 PM »
Again yes I can I can also afford to pay to go to college as well you want me to show you reciepts or what?  ::)

why do we need an afordable public option when the legislation that obama is proposing will supposedly lower health care costs, is obama lying?

nah - I don't need to see receipt.

just trying to point out the ideological tight rope you walk ever day

I don't really expect you to understand it either.  I think our discussion on the topic went about 6-7 pages and it still didn't sink in

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #167 on: August 30, 2009, 09:32:52 PM »
nah - I don't need to see receipt.

just trying to point out the ideological tight rope you walk ever day

I don't really expect you to understand it either.  I think our discussion on the topic went about 6-7 pages and it still didn't sink in
same as this one for you straw, i understand the situation im in straw after all im the one in it perhaps its you who doesnt understand.

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #168 on: August 30, 2009, 09:37:32 PM »
same as this one for you straw, i understand the situation im in straw after all im the one in it perhaps its you who doesnt understand.

let me see if I can guess

If you get in a car accident or catch the swine flu, or get a brain tumor, or get attacked by a shark, etc...

you will receive health care which you will not be able to pay for.

did I miss anything

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #169 on: August 30, 2009, 09:42:58 PM »
let me see if I can guess

If you get in a car accident or catch the swine flu, or get a brain tumor, or get attacked by a shark, etc...

you will receive health care which you will not be able to pay for.

did I miss anything
well since a car accident is covered by auto insurance and you get some medical coverage from that lets take that one out

shark attack? really i freaking hate sharks wouldnt be caught dead around them, so nooo

sure its a risk perhaps we should give everyone life insurance as well, i mean after all there are probably tons of ppl that get fucked b/c of debt due to lack of life insurance  ::)

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #170 on: August 30, 2009, 09:43:31 PM »
if tony could actually understand what you're saying his head would explode

as a point of reference, tony can't afford health insurance yet is not in favor of health care reform, public option, single payer, etc...

I know. I sort of pointed that out my first post on this thread, but he feels somehow he's different from all the other people who don't have health insurance or get people preggers. I think people believe if they have the "right" attitude it makes them different and more deserving. Why, I don't know, since the taxpayer pays for them regardless.

The guy who shot up that We-Love-All Unitarian Church a few months ago, railing against dems, was a food stamp kind of guy. I don't get it but, rage/anger usually lashes out against those who least deserve it.

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2009, 09:50:43 PM »
LOL darling im done arguing with your ass believe what you want to believe time will in all likelihood prove me right as it is already becoming more and more of an issue.

youve perverted my argument to meet your own idealistic requirements so that you can knock it down to many times

Don't be silly. I haven't perverted your argument. Just made it clear.  :)

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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #172 on: August 30, 2009, 10:01:38 PM »
well since a car accident is covered by auto insurance and you get some medical coverage from that lets take that one out

shark attack? really i freaking hate sharks wouldnt be caught dead around them, so nooo

sure its a risk perhaps we should give everyone life insurance as well, i mean after all there are probably tons of ppl that get fucked b/c of debt due to lack of life insurance  ::)

yep, it's a risk and you're putting it on the public (by virtue of not being able to pay your bills so that all people who have insurance will eventually pay more to subsidize your bad debt).  Anyway, I was making a point but it's clearly miles over your head so why don't you go back to explain how unfair the world it to men


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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #173 on: August 31, 2009, 10:54:49 AM »
Tony makes some good points about the inequities regarding men in this whole abortion question. 

One of the problems is we're not dealing with just a woman's body.  There is a baby involved too. 


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Re: Abortion Fight Shifts to Neb. After Tiller Death
« Reply #174 on: August 31, 2009, 10:05:12 PM »
Tony makes some good points about the inequities regarding men in this whole abortion question. 

One of the problems is we're not dealing with just a woman's body.  There is a baby involved too. 

right on

what is one of Tony's good points?