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Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« on: August 31, 2009, 06:50:20 AM »
Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks
Townhall.com ^ | 8-29-2009 | Kevin McCullough


Posted on Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:31:29 AM by Kaslin

Never has an administration who had more firepower at their disposal, been set to so totally fail in the next six to eight weeks. It is nearly a foregone conclusion. It is nearly unavoidable. And it defies all logic given the sizable majority the administration has in both houses of Congress.

Since I was the first pundit to predict Obama's presidency (Dec 2006) it behooves me to tell you the course I believe the next few weeks will take and effectively halt the radical transformation that the left appeared unstoppable with only months ago.

1. Health Care's long and painful death.

Barring the existing possibility that the Democrats cram a reform bill down the throats of actively protesting Americans through an ultra-partisan process that would shut out conservatives and Republicans from even being allowed to contribute to the discussion, health care reform is dead. It actually died a good while back when the President decided to pivot and create a new issue that no one had been discussing--health insurance reform. The American people will want to know why we should spend $4 billion to cover everyone in America "efficiently," when we already do so with inefficiencies like people using the emergency room as their general practitioner for $2.5 billion. Deep thinkers on the issue want to know why the President hasn't entertained one item of tort reform--protecting his friends, the trial lawyers--yet is willing to claim that doctors are eager to lop off feet, tonsils, and foreskin just to make a buck.

2. Cap & Trade will be the largest tax increase in American history.

With the 2010 election cycle just around the corner, campaign ads are not far off from being drafted. With Cap & Trade still sitting in legislative limbo, with the President's own advisor--Warren Buffet--now opposing it openly on media, with the 9.12 project in the works in which the largest gathering of anti-tax Americans from the left, right, and middle will be coming to Washington DC on September 12, and with blue dogs getting absolutely hammered in their home districts supporting it, the chance of single-party ram through victory on the matter is not wise. Cap & Trade, if passed, will contribute to unemployment, Wall Street stop and starts, and ultimately reduced treasury revenues. It would serve as the single largest tax increase on the average American in all of American history. Even President Obama admitted as much, predicting that electric bill prices, in his words, would, "skyrocket." Those that have looked at the specifics tell us that the average utility bill in America will go from $167 to $307 per month, per family.

3. Unemployment to remain high.

Now several Washington organizations from left and right, and one of note consisting of both--the Congressional Budget Office, predicts that unemployment will not shrink from the predicted "Obama high" of 8%. Instead, nearly without fail, economists are predicting unemployment at or over 10% for up to the next 24 months. That is nearly 250% the increase in unemployment under Bush for nearly the duration of his two-term presidency. If people were working, higher taxes and possible new health care entitlements could be considered, but without them working it is political suicide for Democrats to even think of it.

4. Obama's integrity tarnished in August.

Not a great deal has been made of the whoppers that the President has been spewing while the Federal Government has been in recess, but it is worth noting that many more people than I had previously realized have notice the President "exaggerating" badly in his talks on health care. For instance confusing he actual $500 physicians get to amputate a foot as opposed to the $50,000 that he claimed they got. He has shown an utter disregard for the reputation of those he talks about, the "facts" he uses to make his argument, and is highly overly optimistic about the results of his policies. Long story short, at the beginning of the summer Americans mostly trusted him, his passion index was at +10, he heads into the fall at -14.

5. A $3 trillion dollar budget.

New spending for this and that sure added up. And that brings me to number 6.

6. A coming middle class tax hike.

They will hem and haw. There will be an official, and ever arrogant Robert Gibbs explanation from the White House Press room as to why they must to do this to be "good stewards" and to be a "responsible administration" that, "pays as it goes." But the truth is, in order to pay for everything they've promised and budgeted for, a tax is looming for small businesses and working families that President Obama promised would never come. And as an aside, he was going to break that promise all along. Because the minute the "Bush tax relief" runs out in 2010, middle class taxes would be going up in an "Obama administration." Hence fundamentally Obama's "not a single dime" pledge on the campaign trail was bollocks start to finish.

Of course the President, the Democrats, the left, and Congressional leadership could surprise me. They could show up in September and endorse the Coburn health care bill in the U.S. Senate and swipe the credit for it. They could show up next week and fight with all their might to not allow the tax rates to skyrocket in 2010. They could decide to scrap Cap & Trade and re-think the use of public money for true job-based economic stimulation.

But I'm not holding my breath, and I'd advise you against it as well.

They've awakened the American worker, the American small-business owner, and the American voter.

All three of which are now wondering aloud, "What on earth have we done?"

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I would add the following: 


7.  Going after the CIA in an obvious political stunt. 

8.  CZARS - people are waking up to this insanity. 

9.  Afghanistan is getting ugly and Obama has pledged to increasde this war commitment. 

   



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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2009, 08:00:19 AM »
Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks
Deep thinkers on the issue want to know why the President hasn't entertained one item of tort reform

LOL - Deep Thinkers on the right?

That gave me a laugh on Monday morning

Good call, Tort reform is < 1% of the problem.

Do you think any of those idiots at town halls screaming about Death Panels, and Nazi's and Socialism have a clue what tort reform even means

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2009, 08:04:35 AM »
LOL @ declaring a win in 2009 for a presidency that will go 3 or 7 more years.

333386 must have a crystal ball.   My guess is, Obama is going to do a lot of popular stuff later in his term to bring that polls right back up. 

33, what % of americans can explain cap/trade? hahahaha

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 08:06:46 AM »
LOL - Deep Thinkers on the right?

That gave me a laugh on Monday morning

Good call, Tort reform is < 1% of the problem.

Do you think any of those idiots at town halls screaming about Death Panels, and Nazi's and Socialism have a clue what tort reform even means

Check this out Straw.   Dean admits what we have all been saying.  This is why Obamacare will never pass, because it a hypocritical mess and based on special interests, lies, rationing for seniors, and giveaways to Big Pharma.


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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2009, 08:10:44 AM »
They will as soon as the Senate takes up the measure. 

The tea parties and town halls will grow even larger as this issue comes up. 

If you think things are getting crazy now, wait 240, you have seen nothing yet. 
 
People did not vote for a marxist revolution ala Lenin/Marx/Chavez/Castro 

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 08:13:02 AM »
.   My guess is, Obama is going to do a lot of popular stuff later in his term to bring that polls right back up. 





Not if REALITY has anything to say about that. You know, just like when it rears it's head on made up profit claims.

So far he hasn't done a very good job, I have no reason to believe the future is any different, unless there is some drastic change.

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2009, 08:21:24 AM »


Not if REALITY has anything to say about that. You know, just like when it rears it's head on made up profit claims.

So far he hasn't done a very good job, I have no reason to believe the future is any different, unless there is some drastic change.

Obama has completely boxed himself in. 

He has done so much damage already thatt he right will never agree with him on anything unless he completely slashes spending, abandons cap & tax, etc. 

However, if he tries to "move to the center", he will lose his left wing base that is largely responsible for the GOTV efforts for elections, etc. 

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2009, 08:39:19 AM »
LOL @ declaring a win in 2009 for a presidency that will go 3 or 7 more years.

333386 must have a crystal ball.   My guess is, Obama is going to do a lot of popular stuff later in his term to bring that polls right back up. 

33, what % of americans can explain cap/trade? hahahaha

They might not understand right now,but as soon as the senate starts debating it they will.They dont have to understand ANYTHING other then your bills are going to go through the roof over the lie of global warming.People can feel how cold this summer was,how cold the winter was and figure out the earth is not heating up and they understand THEY CANT AFFORD higher utlity bills to satisfy a big fat slob like Al Gore.

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2009, 08:41:51 AM »
They might not understand right now,but as soon as the senate starts debating it they will.They dont have to understand ANYTHING other then your bills are going to go through the roof over the lie of global warming.People can feel how cold this summer was,how cold the winter was and figure out the earth is not heating up and they understand THEY CANT AFFORD higher utlity bills to satisfy a big fat slob like Al Gore.

Especially when they learn that this is nothing than another huge giveway to GS and the other corrupt wall street banksters Obama is so fond of and who bankrolled his campaign. 

Cap & Trade is the typical Washington DC bait and switch.  Sell a lie to gullible moron do-gooders while giving away the store to wall street thieves. 

Same with the housing debacle, Cash for Clunkers,  and every other giveway scheme.   

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2009, 09:40:52 AM »
Check this out Straw.   Dean admits what we have all been saying.  This is why Obamacare will never pass, because it a hypocritical mess and based on special interests, lies, rationing for seniors, and giveaways to Big Pharma.




I have no problem with Tort reform but it's a much smaller issue then abusive practices, skyrocketing costs and lack of competition.

Maybe the left and right can come together and strike a compromise.  The right will get Tort Reform and they will support the Left on single payer.

I'd be fine with that

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2009, 09:43:55 AM »
Straw - Dean was very clear why they did not include tort reform.

The tort bar donates mega $$$$$ to the Democrats. 

That is why people are not taking Obamacare seriously.  Its a mish mash of special interest giveaways, tax hikes, rationing for elderly people, etc.   


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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2009, 09:45:17 AM »

I have no problem with Tort reform but it's a much smaller issue then abusive practices, skyrocketing costs and lack of competition.

Maybe the left and right can come together and strike a compromise.  The right will get Tort Reform and they will support the Left on single payer.

I'd be fine with that
all of which can be addressed without a single payer system

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2009, 09:45:36 AM »
Dam good article 333386. I think this guy is right.

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7.  Going after the CIA in an obvious political stunt.


Yep. As far as Im concerned he gave his presidency brain cancer when he did that. The best that Obama can hope for is that the Special Prosecutor doesnt find anything. But even that would look bad, because people will be wondering why he was appointed in the first place. Panetta may still quit, and if he does that will make him look bad.
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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2009, 09:49:12 AM »
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I have no problem with Tort reform but it's a much smaller issue then abusive practices, skyrocketing costs and lack of competition.

Maybe the left and right can come together and strike a compromise.  The right will get Tort Reform and they will support the Left on single payer.

I'd be fine with that

Republicans will not allow single payer and Democrats will not allow tort reform. Republicans would be willing to allow a healthcare version of food stamps. If the Democrats are so concerned about the uninsured why dont they explore that option?
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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2009, 09:52:34 AM »
Dam good article 333386. I think this guy is right.
 

Yep. As far as Im concerned he gave his presidency brain cancer when he did that. The best that Obama can hope for is that the Special Prosecutor doesnt find anything. But even that would look bad, because people will be wondering why he was appointed in the first place. Panetta may still quit, and if he does that will make him look bad.

What is so hysterical to me is that Obama had a 3/4 chance of succeeding.  

1.  Obama governs as independent and not beholden to Pelosi and the far left - WIN
2.  Obama crafts the bills and submits them to congress for approval.  - Probable Win since he looks like a leader.
3.  Obama does nothing but also vetoes huge spending bill - Win.  
4.  Obama allows Nancy Pelosi and Reid to do his dirty work and pushes unpopular crap - LOSE


Everyone with any sense knew this before hand yet he chose the path most likely to result in failure.  

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2009, 10:02:44 AM »
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What is so hysterical to me is that Obama had a 3/4 chance of succeeding. 

1.  Obama governs as independent and not beholden to Pelosi and the far left - WIN
2.  Obama crafts the bills and submits them to congress for approval.  - Probable Win since he looks like a leader.
3.  Obama does nothing but also vetoes huge spending bill - Win. 
4.  Obama allows Nancy Pelosi and Reid to do his dirty work and pushes unpopular crap - LOSE

Yep. And that's why I wasnt as sure as Limbaugh or Sowell that Obama would be this radical. It was always possible that he would go moderate, given the great political opportunity he had. It was always possible that he would tell the left to screw themselves. What could they do? But it wasnt something that I bet on at the voting booth, and no one should have bet on it at the voting booth given his record.
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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2009, 10:07:18 AM »
Yep. And that's why I wasnt as sure as Limbaugh or Sowell that Obama would be this radical. It was always possible that he would go moderate, given the great political opportunity he had. It was always possible that he would tell the left to screw themselves. What could they do? But it wasnt something that I bet on at the voting booth, and no one should have bet on it at the voting booth given his record.

From Politico:

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Dodd says Obama needs to 'step up'

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) says President Barack Obama needs to "step up" and give Congress more of a framework to work with on health care reform.

"I think the president's got to decide," Dodd said Sunday, "to step up and really frame this again for us."

Speaking in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Dodd said Kennedy's death should inspire senators to turn down the temperature and partisanship as they take on legislative battles, including health care and climate change, this fall.

"If you want to honor Teddy's memory," Dodd said, "start acting like senators again."


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This is what happens when you have someone in office who has never even led so much as a cheerleading squad (Hint hint).

By just throwing crap out there and letting Reid and Pelosi mix it up in a salad bowl, you are destined to have this type of confusion and chaos.   
 


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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2009, 10:12:43 AM »
all of which can be addressed without a single payer system

I don't think rising costs can be adequately addressed without it.

I think with a public option that private companies will still exist but they will make MUCH less money and provide more health care coverage

When we talk about lacking the stones to take on trial lawyers that same lack of conviction applies to taking on insurance companies.

I've heard somewhere that the the health care industry has already spent 200 million + this year alone fighting against any change


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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 10:15:57 AM »
I don't think rising costs can be adequately addressed without it.

I think with a public option that private companies will still exist but they will make MUCH less money and provide more health care coverage

When we talk about lacking the stones to take on trial lawyers that same lack of conviction applies to taking on insurance companies.

I've heard somewhere that the the health care industry has already spent 200 million + this year alone fighting against any change
completely legit opinion so the smart option as there seems to be a discrepency is institute all the legislation etc to accomplish the goal if that doesnt work then talk about a public option...the smart move is not to put all our eggs in one govt basket

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 10:39:41 AM »
333386 must have a crystal ball.   My guess is, Obama is going to do a lot of popular stuff later in his term to bring that polls right back up. 

Every time u post this crap i have to laugh. Barry is failing or has failed. There is nothing in his entire life/political history to say he's going to move right and govern from the Center. Further...Barry had all the extra political capital he was ever going to get to pass all these pet projects, in January...he burnt it all up on the stimulus. He has very little left and the anger these subsequent bills have caused among the voters, especially the independent ones, will make 2010 ugly for him. 240 u have a very poor understanding of his history. He did very little in Chicago and in Congress. He has no history of centrist beliefs, bills or actions. When pushed he attacks Bush and the past. All u have is "hope" that he will move to the center...well hope's not a method, hopeis not a plan. he has no plan.

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2009, 10:42:57 AM »
I'm 'slightly miffed' at Obama, Carville says
Posted: August 31st, 2009 05:03 AM ET

From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A prominent Democrat who is also a Louisiana native said Sunday he was somewhat offended that President Obama has yet to pay a visit to New Orleans, a city trying to rebuild after the devastation of Hurricane Katrina four years ago.

“I’m a Democrat and this is a Democratic president. I would describe myself as slightly miffed that he hasn’t been down yet,” Democratic strategist and longtime Clinton ally James Carville said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union, “but he says he’s coming down before the end of the year. And we’re hospitable people and we certainly will welcome him.”

Carville and his wife Mary Matalin, a Republican strategist and former Dick Cheney aide, moved their family to New Orleans in mid-2008.

“I can honestly say, . . . you can start to feel the progress now,” Carville said of the legendary city’s efforts to rebuild. “It’s a work in progress but there has been progress. I promise you that,” Carville also told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King.

Carville’s words were echoed by one of the Louisiana’s senators, Democrat Mary Landrieu.

Also on State of the Union Sunday, Landrieu said she was “a little concerned” that Obama had not paid a visit to New Orleans yet. But she noted that Obama has many other issues to deal with in his young administration.

“The president’s heart is there,” Landrieu told King, “and I know that.”

In his weekly Internet and radio address Saturday, the fourth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, the president noted that 11 members of his Cabinet have visited the country’s Gulf Coast region. “I’m looking forward to going to New Orleans later this year,” he added.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/31/im-slightly-miffed-at-obama-carville-says-2/#more-66751

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2009, 10:44:27 AM »
333386 must have a crystal ball.   My guess is, Obama is going to do a lot of popular stuff later in his term to bring that polls right back up. 

Every time u post this crap i have to laugh. Barry is failing or has failed. There is nothing in his entire life/political history to say he's going to move right and govern from the Center. Further...Barry had all the extra political capital he was ever going to get to pass all these pet projects, in January...he burnt it all up on the stimulus. He has very little left and the anger these subsequent bills have caused among the voters, especially the independent ones, will make 2010 ugly for him. 240 u have a very poor understanding of his history. He did very little in Chicago and in Congress. He has no history of centrist beliefs, bills or actions. When pushed he attacks Bush and the past. All u have is "hope" that he will move to the center...well hope's not a method, hopeis not a plan. he has no plan.

what if he catches bin laden right before the 2010 or 12 election?
what if unemployment starts going the right way, and the DOW moves up to 12k?

Yes, educated political nerds like those on this forum will know about cap/trade and all that.  But what about Joe Sixpack, who comprises 98% of voters?

"Hey, my 401k is better, and we got that SOB for 911... I'd say Obama is kicking ass!"

Yeah, that's what they'll say.  "Trillions" means nothing to most ppl.

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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2009, 10:50:08 AM »
what if...what if........the numbers don't support an extended rally and unemployment is getting worse and regardless of when that starts to get better, it won't help enough. The HC bill is dead or dying, in its present form. Nobody cares about Bin laden right now...and it won't be Barry in that cave....it will be the  expanded JSOC/SOCOM killers that Rummy created and funded. Joe sixpack is getting kinda pissed and Barry is the guy he's blaming.
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Re: Why the 'O'-ministration will implode in weeks.
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2009, 10:50:48 AM »
what if he catches bin laden right before the 2010 or 12 election?
what if unemployment starts going the right way, and the DOW moves up to 12k?

Yes, educated political nerds like those on this forum will know about cap/trade and all that.  But what about Joe Sixpack, who comprises 98% of voters?

"Hey, my 401k is better, and we got that SOB for 911... I'd say Obama is kicking ass!"

Yeah, that's what they'll say.  "Trillions" means nothing to most ppl.

Good one 240 - you obviously are tuned into the trailer park vote.