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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #125 on: September 03, 2009, 04:47:45 PM »
there is an old saying...anything after "but" is bullshit.  ;D

BUT sometimes what comes after BUT says something ;D :P

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #126 on: September 03, 2009, 04:53:50 PM »
BUT sometimes what comes after BUT says something ;D :P

Spare us the tales of your homosexual acts shalaby. Keep it in the mosque not out here  :D

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #127 on: September 03, 2009, 04:55:39 PM »
ND has owned team synthol again

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #128 on: September 03, 2009, 06:01:06 PM »
All bullshit aside this is a good post, great analogy........ although I think Kevin was a more elite BBer than Bettis was a RB.

of course and i am just as much a steeler fan as i am a Levroneite :D

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #129 on: September 03, 2009, 06:02:47 PM »
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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #130 on: September 03, 2009, 06:11:28 PM »
Can this even be discussed??



KEVIN LEVRONE!!

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #131 on: September 03, 2009, 06:18:27 PM »
Can this even be discussed??



KEVIN LEVRONE!!


Discussion is over
Levrone > Nasser as ND so painstakingly pointed out using irrefutable facts not emotion.


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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #132 on: September 03, 2009, 06:26:19 PM »
 ;D

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #133 on: September 03, 2009, 06:29:21 PM »
Physically, it was apples and oranges - K Lo had a great shape and was pretty freaky, but Nasser was far more muscular with just as freaky a look. From a bodybuilding accomplishment perspective though, K Lo was the better bodybuilder by his stats, consistency and track record.

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2009, 09:27:33 AM »

Discussion is over
Levrone > Nasser as ND so painstakingly pointed out using irrefutable facts not emotion.



Man I never ever thought I would say this to a response posted by you but QFT   :-X

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #135 on: September 08, 2009, 10:46:09 AM »
Kevin Levrone                                                  Nasser El Sonbaty

62 Professional contests entered                  53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won                       6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32%                                      win/loss ratio of just 11%

year turned pro 1992                                  year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992                                       first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25            Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18                      Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12                            Number of third places 13

lowest contest placing 8th                          lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd                              last contest placing 14th


Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .

Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10

Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two


*Yawn*  ND still trying to suggest that the question of who is a better bodybuilder can simply be answered by quantitative factors alone, while ignoring the major qualitative factor that Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best.  Your "stats" focus on years when Nasser was still growing (his first five years as a pro) as well as his last few years where he was not even competing seriously anymore.

Using your purely statisitcal method Levrone probably has more wins against Ronnie Coleman than vice versa, so obviously stats alone do not answer the question.

Ronnie Coleman can continue competing until he's 50 or 60 and as his placings drop, would that make him a poorer bodybuilder than if he just chooses to retire now?  Of course not.

Similarly, the fact that Nasser continued to compete for several years past his prime does not make him a worse bodybuilder than if he retired after 99 or 2000, yet ND's "statistics" incorrectly suggest this does make him a worse bodybuider.

During his best Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th places).  He also beat Levrone 11 tinmes during this period (including the 96 Olympia).  There's a reason why at the 98 O Flex mag believed it to be a competition between Nasser and Wheeler (Levrone and Ray weren't even considered top contednders).

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #136 on: September 08, 2009, 11:29:35 AM »
Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best

Not true, Bobs. K Lo beat Nasser in all of the post Olympia Grand Prix shows of 1997, which was the year in which Nasser was at his best.

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #137 on: September 08, 2009, 11:35:34 AM »
Not true, Bobs. K Lo beat Nasser in all of the post Olympia Grand Prix shows of 1997, which was the year in which Nasser was at his best.

97 was far from Nasser's best.  He was 270 that year at the Olympia and not as hard as he was in 96 or 98 at even heavier bodyweights.  He was better at shows like the 96 Olympia, 97 and 98 Arnold Classic, 98 Olympia, 99 Arnold Classic.

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #138 on: September 08, 2009, 11:39:53 AM »
97 was far from Nasser's best.  He was 270 that year at the Olympia and not as hard as he was in 96 or 98 at even heavier bodyweights.  He was better at shows like the 96 Olympia, 97 and 98 Arnold Classic, 98 Olympia, 99 Arnold Classic.

Actually he looked better in 97 than he did in 98, esp. in the 98 Mr Olympia. 96 he was 10 lb heavier yes, but he was more blocky.

I don't remember what he looked like in the 99 AC - that was the one he won, no?

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #139 on: September 08, 2009, 11:50:21 AM »
*Yawn*  ND still trying to suggest that the question of who is a better bodybuilder can simply be answered by quantitative factors alone, while ignoring the major qualitative factor that Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best.  Your "stats" focus on years when Nasser was still growing (his first five years as a pro) as well as his last few years where he was not even competing seriously anymore.

Using your purely statisitcal method Levrone probably has more wins against Ronnie Coleman than vice versa, so obviously stats alone do not answer the question.

Ronnie Coleman can continue competing until he's 50 or 60 and as his placings drop, would that make him a poorer bodybuilder than if he just chooses to retire now?  Of course not.

Similarly, the fact that Nasser continued to compete for several years past his prime does not make him a worse bodybuilder than if he retired after 99 or 2000, yet ND's "statistics" incorrectly suggest this does make him a worse bodybuider.

During his best Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th places).  He also beat Levrone 11 tinmes during this period (including the 96 Olympia).  There's a reason why at the 98 O Flex mag believed it to be a competition between Nasser and Wheeler (Levrone and Ray weren't even considered top contednders).

But how can you say that Nasser beat Kevin at his best?
Sorry but Levrone in 96 and 97 are far from his best, same applies for 98. Kevin was huge no doubt but soft.

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #140 on: September 08, 2009, 01:29:36 PM »
But how can you say that Nasser beat Kevin at his best?
Sorry but Levrone in 96 and 97 are far from his best, same applies for 98. Kevin was huge no doubt but soft.

ok.. what about 99 when nasser beat him at the AC? :P

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #141 on: September 08, 2009, 02:21:41 PM »
Actually he looked better in 97 than he did in 98, esp. in the 98 Mr Olympia. 96 he was 10 lb heavier yes, but he was more blocky.

I don't remember what he looked like in the 99 AC - that was the one he won, no?

It would take me a  while to dig up pictures (I'm sure you want to see them!) but from pictures he was clearly better in 96 than 97 (especially the rear double biceps shot), most muscular, pretty much every angle.  He was also better at the Arnold Classic shows where he was 285ish in 97, 98 and 99.

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #142 on: September 08, 2009, 02:38:47 PM »
Team Nasser: have you ever thought that you might be a little biased in your opinions?

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #143 on: September 08, 2009, 02:39:49 PM »
It would take me a  while to dig up pictures (I'm sure you want to see them!) but from pictures he was clearly better in 96 than 97 (especially the rear double biceps shot), most muscular, pretty much every angle.  He was also better at the Arnold Classic shows where he was 285ish in 97, 98 and 99.

If you have them, post pics of the 99 AC - I haven't seen those in ages.

Edit* I meant pics of the whole contest, including other contestants and not just Nasser alone ;D

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #144 on: September 08, 2009, 02:43:35 PM »
If you have them, post pics of the 99 AC - I haven't seen those in ages.

Here's one that I have

Sherief - I know you have a video of his 99 AC routine on the facebook page - can you please post the youtube link here for kiwiol?  I'm not sure how to get youtube links from FB.  Thx.

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #145 on: September 08, 2009, 04:53:10 PM »
ok.. what about 99 when nasser beat him at the AC? :P

No, that wasnt Kevin's best either.
His best condition (other than 92) was in the 2000 Olympia




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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #146 on: September 08, 2009, 05:16:31 PM »
Team Nasser: have you ever thought that you might be a little biased in your opinions?

no!!.. what are you asking? :-X

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #147 on: September 08, 2009, 05:19:51 PM »
     


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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #148 on: September 08, 2009, 05:28:44 PM »
Here's one that I have

Sherief - I know you have a video of his 99 AC routine on the facebook page - can you please post the youtube link here for kiwiol?  I'm not sure how to get youtube links from FB.  Thx.

some pics from the show but not a lot with kevin and nasser beside each other:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50334&id=48163666888

and here is the link of nasser's routine:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=62045507095

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Re: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
« Reply #149 on: September 09, 2009, 12:02:04 AM »
thanks... now i'm convinced...











kevin owns nasser...