Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?

[Parker]

This sums up Nasser best: he was great, one of the all time greasts, but he was NOT better than the top guys of his day (Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kev, Paul, Chris). He's like the 6th man in basketball, he contributed greatly, but he's not the star player. 

[mossel]

This sums up Nasser best: he was great, one of the all time greasts, but he was NOT better than the top guys of his day (Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kev, Paul, Chris). He's like the 6th man in basketball, he contributed greatly, but he's not the star player. 

QFT!!!! FTW!!!

[Sherief Shalaby]

This sums up Nasser best: he was great, one of the all time greasts, but he was NOT better than the top guys of his day (Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kev, Paul, Chris). He's like the 6th man in basketball, he contributed greatly, but he's not the star player. 

 

[Royalty]

Nasser was beat flex at the 95 and 96 Olympia. Nasser wouldve beaten flex at the 97 Olympia too (if flex wasn't a pre-Olympia target of the Asian maffia)

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah its not like Nasser and Levrone were both top contenders for the Olympia for many of the same years 

One of them was guess who?

Kevin 4 times runner up for Mr Olympia

Nasser 1 time runner up

Kevin 3rd place winner at the Olympia 3

Nasser 3rd place winner at the Olympia 1


Shall I continue?

[lvtolft]

Wow!  Major ownage by ND!  Great thread.
BTW, Kevin was better 

[kiwiol]

Wow!  Major ownage by ND!  Great thread.
BTW, Kevin was better 

Agree. ND doing a great job setting the record straight as usual.

And LMAO @ some of Groink's posts.

[bigbobs]

Agree. ND doing a great job setting the record straight as usual.

with lies?  Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once.  Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice.  I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. 

And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10

....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing.  What a joke.

[bigbobs]

One of them was guess who?

The fact that you even try to suggest that Nasser was not a top contender for many years eliminates your credibility.  You're starting to sound worse than Hulkster.

I guess Ronnie Coleman was wrong in 2000 when he said Nasser has always been a threat to the Olympia title?

[bigbobs]

LOL, I noticed "Paul and Chris" too - the fact that he even mentions their names up there shows his biased love for Blacks.

[ag2]

shut the fuck up you little shit

Awesome comeback sweetheart, did it take your pea brain long to think of that?   

[ag2]

with lies?  Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once.  Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice.  I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. 

And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10

....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing.  What a joke.

Bobs with a great counter punch 

[NarcissisticDeity]

with lies?  Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once.  Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice.  I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. 

And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10

....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing.  What a joke.

with lies?  Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once.  Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice.  I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. 

I didn't lie that would be YOU by claiming Nasser beat Kevin much more than 10 times recall that? that was called a TYPO I don't need to lie the facts don't need to but what's ironic is you're trying to dismiss all the stats but when they work in your favor then you like them see hypocrite

Nasser TWO 3rd place finishes at the Mr Olympia still behind Kevin's THREE and still behind Kevin's runner-ups as well

And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10

NO not ' so and so ' Kevin Levrone got more runner-ups than Nasser . when one guy has 4 runner-ups at the Olympia and the other has just 1 that means Kevin was more of a top contender than Nasser ever was , Nasser El Sonbaty is NOT even close to being as good or as competitive as Kevin Levrone , he beat Kevin just 10 times Kevin beat him TWENTY-FIVE NOT close in anyone's vocabulary exception the delusional

....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing.  What a joke.

He didn't place ahead of ANYONE in 1996 he was disqualified for cheating , history shows this , he agreed to not only lose his placing but his prize money as well , Nasser = failure , he cheated and was disqualified , no excuses needed I have facts on my side unlike you an excuse would be that there was no test and poor Nasser was ratted out by Mike Matarazzo 

Jay Cutler placed second in 2001 the difference between the two is Jay challenged the system he had an angle either Nasser didn't have an angle or he wasn't as sophisticated as Jay either way bodybuilding history shows , Jay second in 2001 and Nasser = disqualified in 1996.. facts are facts and all you and Nasser's bullshit can't change them , like him you're in denial he has it on his website he placed third in 1996 lmao no wonder why you're such a fan you're just as delusional as he is

Still waiting for you to prove that out right LIE there was NO test for diuretics in 1996 , where is the proof? and ' ask anyone who was there ' isn't proof and neither is Nasser he still thinks he placed third in 1996 he's not firing on all cylinders

I dare you to ' verify ' ANY of my stats they're all right on point , Nasser is NOT in Kevin Levrone's league

http://www.musclememory.com/ muscle memory is your friend 

[bigbobs]

Jay Cutler placed second in 2001 the difference between the two is Jay challenged the system he had an angle either Nasser didn't have an angle or he wasn't as sophisticated as Jay either way bodybuilding history shows , Jay second in 2001 and Nasser = disqualified in 1996..

So if the IFBB "takes away" Nasser's 3rd placing in 96 after announcing it, but leaves Jay's placing, that makes Jay a "better bodybuilder" (since you blindly use "official" stats) LOL gosh you're retarded.

Still waiting for you to prove that out right LIE there was NO test for diuretics in 1996 , where is the proof? and ' ask anyone who was there ' isn't proof and neither is Nasser he still thinks he placed third in 1996 he's not firing on all cylinders

Prove that there was a diuretic test in 96?  I don't need to prove it since I know there wasn't, and I don't really care if you believe it or not.  I just suggested to you that if you ever do get to talk to someone who competed in the 96 Olympia then go ahead and ask, and you'll be surprised by the answer

[NarcissisticDeity]

The fact that you even try to suggest that Nasser was not a top contender for many years eliminates your credibility.  You're starting to sound worse than Hulkster.

I guess Ronnie Coleman was wrong in 2000 when he said Nasser has always been a threat to the Olympia title?

A top contender is someone who could take the title i.e. someone who could beat the current champ , Nasser was that guy in 1997 and he FAILED in 1998 , NO Yates he placed second behind Dorian , it's his show to win and BOOM third place lol face it your hero was never good enough

Kevin Levrone was runner-up at FOUR Mr Olympia that means Kevin was much more of a top contender for the Olympia than Nasser ever was

and please spare me your GetBig credibility  this coming from the guy who claimed Levrone was beat by Nasser at the 96 Olympia and Nasser beat him ' much more than 10 times ' and Nasser beat Flex in 1997 despite Flex never entering the show , oh and let's not forget this gem .....' there was no diuretics test in 1996 ' and oh how about Nasser never sold his used trunks? you guys denied this for eons until they showed up on his very own website , and then the spin was ' he's just catering to his fans ' 

Levrone is eons better than Nasser it's a prove fact .

[NarcissisticDeity]

So if the IFBB "takes away" Nasser's 3rd placing in 96 after announcing it, but leaves Jay's placing, that makes Jay a "better bodybuilder" (since you blindly use "official" stats) LOL gosh you're retarded.

Prove that there was a diuretic test in 96?  I don't need to prove it since I know there wasn't, and I don't really care if you believe it or not.  I just suggested to you that if you ever do get to talk to someone who competed in the 96 Olympia then go ahead and ask, and you'll be surprised by the answer

So if the IFBB "takes away" Nasser's 3rd placing in 96 after announcing it, but leaves Jay's placing, that makes Jay a "better bodybuilder" (since you blindly use "official" stats) LOL gosh you're retarded.

Now you're trying to divert the topic to Jay vs Nasser? Jay is better because he's a multiple Mr Olympia winner and Nasser is NOT 

Jay was apparently smarter than Nasser because he found an angle , Nasser just shut his mouth and accepted it . so much for that MENSA IQ

bodybuilding history shows Jay 2001 Mr Olympia second place , Nasser 1996 Mr Olympia DISQUALIFIED , facts are facts , Nasser agreed that not only would all competitors lose their contest placings if found positive they would also forfeit all monies as well , he came up on the short end of the stick and paid the price

and you made up this hypothetical scenario of Jay being better than Nasser and then have the audacity to claim I'm retarded? enough said 

Prove that there was a diuretic test in 96?  I don't need to prove it since I know there wasn't, and I don't really care if you believe it or not.  I just suggested to you that if you ever do get to talk to someone who competed in the 96 Olympia then go ahead and ask, and you'll be surprised by the answer

NO the onus is on YOU and Nasser to prove that there was no test , you're making a claim to the contrary either put up or shut up , I know you can't prove it I just enjoy watching you try and weasel your way out of it

and entertaining your nonsense for one moment saying there was no test , this makes Nasser even more of an idiot for not captioning on an that angle , he could have pulled a Jay and threaten to sue and won his ' third place ' spot and the prize money , so either way you're not working with much , there was a test and Nasser failed and he knows it hence why he never pursued anything you can either look at it as he accepted it like a man back then and now he's just a bitter angry man crying about a contest from 13 years ago , either way Nasser FAILS
 

[tendonitis]

ND is owning bob the schmoe beyond belief in this thread.  i almost feel sorry for bob and his collection of used manties

[bigbobs]

Now you're trying to divert the topic to Jay vs Nasser? Jay is better because he's a multiple Mr Olympia winner and Nasser is NOT 

Jay was apparently smarter than Nasser because he found an angle , Nasser just shut his mouth and accepted it . so much for that MENSA IQ

bodybuilding history shows Jay 2001 Mr Olympia second place , Nasser 1996 Mr Olympia DISQUALIFIED , facts are facts , Nasser agreed that not only would all competitors lose their contest placings if found positive they would also forfeit all monies as well , he came up on the short end of the stick and paid the price

and you made up this hypothetical scenario of Jay being better than Nasser and then have the audacity to claim I'm retarded? enough said 

Nowhere am I diverting the topic.  I take it reading comprehension was never your strong point in school so I'll explain in simpler details what I meant:

a)  You use "stats" (specifically the # of contest placings alone) to suggest Levrone > Nasser.  
b)  One of those "stats" is that Levrone "beat" Nasser in 96 even though he placed below him, since the IFBB "took away" Nasser's placing after the fact

(if you're with me so far, this means that contributing to Nasser being a "worse" bodybuilder in your view is his 96 placing relative to Kevin's)

c)  If you were discussing Jay's placings you ignore his 2001 failed diuretic test since the IFBB did not "take away" Jay's placing, and therefore 2001 counts towards favourably Jay Cutler's stats.

Therefore, according to your warped logic, if the IFBB removes one's placing it contributes to them being a worse bodybuilder, yet if they do not withdraw the placing it makes one a "better bodybuilder."

That's where your logic and 100% reliance on quantitative stat factors alone FAIL.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nowhere am I diverting the topic.  I take it reading comprehension was never your strong point in school so I'll explain in simpler details what I meant:

a)  You use "stats" (specifically the # of contest placings alone) to suggest Levrone > Nasser.  
b)  One of those "stats" is that Levrone "beat" Nasser in 96 even though he placed below him, since the IFBB "took away" Nasser's placing after the fact

(if you're with me so far, this means that contributing to Nasser being a "worse" bodybuilder in your view is his 96 placing relative to Kevin's)

c)  If you were discussing Jay's placings you ignore his 2001 failed diuretic test since the IFBB did not "take away" Jay's placing, and therefore 2001 counts towards favourably Jay Cutler's stats.

Therefore, according to your warped logic, if the IFBB removes one's placing it contributes to them being a worse bodybuilder, yet if they do not withdraw the placing it makes one a "better bodybuilder."

That's where your logic and 100% reliance on quantitative stat factors alone FAIL.

Nowhere am I diverting the topic.  I take it reading comprehension was never your strong point in school so I'll explain in simpler details what I meant:

a)  You use "stats" (specifically the # of contest placings alone) to suggest Levrone > Nasser.  
b)  One of those "stats" is that Levrone "beat" Nasser in 96 even though he placed below him, since the IFBB "took away" Nasser's placing after the fact

(if you're with me so far, this means that contributing to Nasser being a "worse" bodybuilder in your view is his 96 placing relative to Kevin's)

c)  If you were discussing Jay's placings you ignore his 2001 failed diuretic test since the IFBB did not "take away" Jay's placing, and therefore 2001 counts towards favourably Jay Cutler's stats.

It's my fault somehow you can't convey what your ' meant ' ?   facts is even if we give Nasser a third place win over Kevin , he's still miles ahead you're arguing over semantics but the fact remains Nasser was disqualified in 1996 so be didn't beat Kevin and if you want to play with words Kevin didn't beat him that year but that matters NOT because he still crushed him more than 2 to 1 when they faced each other

Jay has an official placing at the 01 Olympia , Nasser doesn't in 96

Therefore, according to your warped logic, if the IFBB removes one's placing it contributes to them being a worse bodybuilder, yet if they do not withdraw the placing it makes one a "better bodybuilder."

That's where your logic and 100% reliance on quantitative stat factors alone FAIL.

facts are facts I know you hate them but that doesn't change them . either you're in the contest or you're disqualified and your stats are based on this and if one gets counted and the other doesn't that's the way it is

 and I noticed you didn't dare touch the second half  I don't blame you

[bigbobs]

It's my fault somehow you can't convey what your ' meant ' ?   facts is even if we give Nasser a third place win over Kevin , he's still miles ahead you're arguing over semantics but the fact remains Nasser was disqualified in 1996 so be didn't beat Kevin and if you want to play with words Kevin didn't beat him that year but that matters NOT because he still crushed him more than 2 to 1 when they faced each other

Jay has an official placing at the 01 Olympia , Nasser doesn't in 96

facts are facts I know you hate them but that doesn't change them . either you're in the contest or you're disqualified and your stats are based on this and if one gets counted and the other doesn't that's the way it is

 and I noticed you didn't dare touch the second half  I don't blame you

The thread is not titled, "who beat the other  more often - Kevin or Nasser?" or "who has better contest history, Nasser or Kevin?"  If that was the question no thread would be made, ag2 would simply go to Musclememory   The fact is, stats alone do not answer the question of who is the greater bodybuilder, and hence this thread was created.  So simply repeating who placed higher in more shows doesn't say much.  You keep repeating it over and over again.  My point remains that Nasser at his best had a better physique than Levrone at his best - this is something you should be contesting to prove your point - with pictures, comparisons or whatever. 

[ag2]

The thread is not titled, "who beat the other  more often - Kevin or Nasser?" or "who has better contest history, Nasser or Kevin?"  If that was the question no thread would be made, ag2 would simply go to Musclememory   The fact is, stats alone do not answer the question of who is the greater bodybuilder, and hence this thread was created.  So simply repeating who placed higher in more shows doesn't say much.  You keep repeating it over and over again.  My point remains that Nasser at his best had a better physique than Levrone at his best - this is something you should be contesting to prove your point - with pictures, comparisons or whatever. 

This is a great debate    I am hoping that this thread overtakes the Hulkster vs ND threads very soon, bump for you guys

[NarcissisticDeity]

The thread is not titled, "who beat the other  more often - Kevin or Nasser?" or "who has better contest history, Nasser or Kevin?"  If that was the question no thread would be made, ag2 would simply go to Musclememory  The fact is, stats alone do not answer the question of who is the greater bodybuilder, and hence this thread was created.  So simply repeating who placed higher in more shows doesn't say much.  You keep repeating it over and over again.  My point remains that Nasser at his best had a better physique than Levrone at his best - this is something you should be contesting to prove your point - with pictures, comparisons or whatever.  

The title is " Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin? " that has been proven facts go start a thread that says ' Who has a better physique at their best Kevin or Nasser " that's much more subjective and opinions can neither be right or wrong

out of the two Kevin is the much better competitive bodybuilder that's not even close or open for discussion , what's funny is you're trying argue stats don't mean much but constantly keep posting the stats of Nasser and his 29 out of 34 contests ( or whatever ) they work when you want them to

Kevin is in another class compared to Nasser it's not debatable

[Palpatine Q]

LOL - Nasser is retired and doesn't take topless pics while pumped from a workout in the locker room like Levrone there...but make no mistake he's much bigger than Kevin today!

These are from an independent guy on the boards:

Also, its funny how people make judgements on his character without even having met him or talked to him.  People who meet him have many positive things to say.

A current pic of him hitting the same pose as Levrone would go a long way here bigknobs.

I guarantee Nasser is a fat blob compared to Kevin and his head weighs 80 lbs.

[bigbobs]

The title is " Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin? " that has been proven facts go start a thread that says ' Who has a better physique at their best Kevin or Nasser " that's much more subjective and opinions can neither be right or wrong

You haven't proven shit, all you've done is repeated certain stats like a broken record.  The # of pro wins or the # of runner ups is not the end all to a who is considered a greater bodybuilder - who are you to chose that criteria?  Lets ask the thread starter - ag2 do you believe that contest results alone dictate who is considered the greater bodybuilder?

[bigbobs]

A current pic of him hitting the same pose as Levrone would go a long way here bigknobs.

So Nasser is now expected to take a pic of the same pose as Levrone? lol.  How about Levrone take a pic doing shrugs with his chest bursting out like this and ripped arms showing?

 

I went to lunch with Nasser after the prejudging (Outback Steakhouse) and I got to say he was incredibly pleasant. He is a super funny guy and very down to earth. The man is absolutely gigantic but is anything but a meathead. The man is well spoken, polite and very entertaining. I am really glad I got a chance to meet him and hang out. 100% cool dude.

yeah if you wanna feel absolutely tiny sit next to Nasser. His forearms are bigger than most bodybuilders upper arms and that is not an exageration The dude is WIDE as hell to boot. I rarely hang out with other bodybuilders as most have nothing to talk about other than bodybuilding..EVER. That shit gets real old at some point. Unlike so many in or from the industry Nasser was interesting, funny and very down to earth.