Author Topic: Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ? (Read 59400 times)

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #225 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:09:23 PM »

nasser is good....
but kevin is a lot better...
built better..no amount of size can change that
kevin wins

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #226 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:13:53 PM »

I have to say that in my opinion Levrone is more overrated than Nasser...

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #227 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:28:04 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 10, 2009, 12:55:51 PM

You haven't proven shit, all you've done is repeated certain stats like a broken record. The # of pro wins or the # of runner ups is not the end all to a who is considered a greater bodybuilder - who are you to chose that criteria? Lets ask the thread starter - ag2 do you believe that contest results alone dictate who is considered the greater bodybuilder?

hahahahaha I haven't proven shit ? denial is all you have left , I have proven is eons better than Nasser ever was and you can't stand it , and what's funny is if you had the facts on your side you'd be screaming from the mountain tops . contests results don't mater yet you tried to prove Nasser was better using them

contest results alone don't matter what else do you want to consider? where does it end? Shawn Ray is better than Ronnie Coleman because contest results alone don't matter?

you have NOTHING you crumbled under the weight of Kevin's superiority .

bigbobs · « **Reply #228 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:53:28 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on September 10, 2009, 01:28:04 PM

hahahahaha I haven't proven shit ? denial is all you have left , I have proven is eons better than Nasser ever was and you can't stand it , and what's funny is if you had the facts on your side you'd be screaming from the mountain tops . contests results don't mater yet you tried to prove Nasser was better using them contest results alone don't matter what else do you want to consider? where does it end? Shawn Ray is better than Ronnie Coleman because contest results alone don't matter?

you have NOTHING you crumbled under the weight of Kevin's superiority .

All you have left is telling yourself that I'm in denial. I only used the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat as a way of showing that the question is not so black and white that you can simply take a few stats and argue in one's favour. The fact that certains stats such as that can go in Nasser's favour show that it is a close comparison, as many others in this thread have said as well.

It's also ironic that you have debated with Ronnie fans for years and tens of thousands of posts that Dorian is better when one can use your logic and simply say "Ronnie has more Mr. Olympia wins." Funny how you change your "logic" to suit you when different bodybuilders are being compared.

ag2 · « **Reply #229 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:04:30 PM »

The idea behind this thread was that contest results are not always fair and peoples opinons are different ( See 1994 Olympia). IFBB has not always been fair in their judging. If contest results answered each question as to who is/was a greater bodybuilder there would be hardly any room for debate on getbig. Debate should also be respectful and not boild down to petty insults.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #230 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:40:44 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 10, 2009, 01:53:28 PM

All you have left is telling yourself that I'm in denial. I only used the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat as a way of showing that the question is not so black and white that you can simply take a few stats and argue in one's favour. The fact that certains stats such as that can go in Nasser's favour show that it is a close comparison, as many others in this thread have said as well.

It's also ironic that you have debated with Ronnie fans for years and tens of thousands of posts that Dorian is better when one can use your logic and simply say "Ronnie has more Mr. Olympia wins." Funny how you change your "logic" to suit you when different bodybuilders are being compared.

No I have all the stats and facts to back up my claim you have conspiracy theories and hearsay and I didn't take just some stats I took them all and they all show Kevin outclassed Nasser , it's NOT close and I don't care how many people say it is , it doesn't change the facts

Looking for a way to shift focus so back to this already corrected logic that Ronnie is better because he has more Olympia wins , this does technically make him a better bodybuilder if that's the ONLY part you want to focus on couple that with Ronnie has the most career wins as well and you have the greatest bodybuilder of all time , which doesn't mean much in the context of if Dorian at his best could beat Ronnie at his best , again how many of those Olympias did he beat Dorian for? NONE how many times did Ronnie beat Dorian? NONE

and I never changed logic that's another LIE by you a trend I notice when you don't have anything else to offer just make things up , my logic remains the same I've said many times before Dorian faced Ronnie eight times and beat him all eight times , Dorian has a much higher win/loss ratio compared to Ronnie , in fact I think the best ever ( 88% V 40% compared to Nasser's pathetic 11% ) I could just sum it up as Dorian beat Ronnie 8 to 0 therefore Ronnie would stand NO chance of beating him , Dorian is the odds on favorite if I just took that into consideration BUT I take all factors into consideration not just one or two that prove my point A'la you

Kevin is in a league Nasser doesn't compare to , try and argue all you want you have a long history of denial like Dorian lost in 96 to a disqualified Nasser and there was not diuretics test and Nasser deserved at least 3 Olympia titles .

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #231 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:37:04 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 10, 2009, 01:53:28 PM

All you have left is telling yourself that I'm in denial. I only used the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat as a way of showing that the question is not so black and white that you can simply take a few stats and argue in one's favour. The fact that certains stats such as that can go in Nasser's favour show that it is a close comparison, as many others in this thread have said as well.

It's also ironic that you have debated with Ronnie fans for years and tens of thousands of posts that Dorian is better when one can use your logic and simply say "Ronnie has more Mr. Olympia wins." Funny how you change your "logic" to suit you when different bodybuilders are being compared.

but yet that's exactly what you are doing.

ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.

You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.

Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"

you are a douche

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #232 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:38:57 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 10, 2009, 01:07:30 PM

So Nasser is now expected to take a pic of the same pose as Levrone? lol. How about Levrone take a pic doing shrugs with his chest bursting out like this and ripped arms showing?

Epic using the mirror seam to appear wider.

he looks fat and has gyno. my arms are bigger (and MUCH better) than that, and I don't use steroids or synthol

Also even though he looks like total crap....that still isn't a current pic.

He is even fatter now

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #233 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:43:40 PM »

Quote from: Groink on September 10, 2009, 04:37:04 PM

but yet that's exactly what you are doing.

ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.

You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.

Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"
you are a douche

great idea!.. i'll start this right now

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #234 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:43:43 PM »

Quote from: Groink on September 10, 2009, 04:37:04 PM

but yet that's exactly what you are doing.

ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.

You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.

Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"

you are a douche

exactly , everything was considered not just the few good years , the stats show exactly what he feared Kevin kills him and in typical Nasser fan fashion deny , deny , deny

Karpaasi · « **Reply #235 on:** September 10, 2009, 05:26:14 PM »

During his prime Nasser was a serious contender and he was close to win the title but Kevin is definitely considered "a greater bodybuilder". Physique wise you could argue and even that Nasser was closer to win the title. Althought Kevin had much more pro wins you should concentrate on Olympia battles between these two.

I would like to add Shawn and Flex to the comparison.

Kevin-Nasser 6-3
Kevin-Shawn 6-4
Kevin-Flex 4-3

Nasser-Shawn 3-5
Nasser-Flex 2-4

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #236 on:** September 10, 2009, 06:02:01 PM »

Nasser still had a better physique - I hope Sheriff reads this

Parker · « **Reply #237 on:** September 10, 2009, 09:48:30 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 10, 2009, 09:14:15 AM

LOL, I noticed "Paul and Chris" too - the fact that he even mentions their names up there shows his biased love for Blacks.

Because THEY were better, you love and blindness for Nasser's ballsack clouds your judgement...
Dillett had better shape and fullness, width and was more of uber-freak. Chris had better shape, fullness, back, and detail.

BTW he says, "Please be gentle while shaving his ball wrinkles...it hurts"

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #238 on:** September 10, 2009, 10:15:05 PM »

Dorian was better than Ronnie, without question.

Tyr · « **Reply #239 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:19:10 PM »

Quote from: Groink on September 10, 2009, 04:37:04 PM

but yet that's exactly what you are doing.

ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.

You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.

Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"

you are a douche

True Bigbobs lost the argument pages ago and is now doing what he does best - try to spin his way out by claiming unfair stats and the like. Its always a moving target when you debate with a lovestruck zealot. When the stats are in nassers favor its acceptable but when its not it should be disregarded $:-\$

The undeniable fact is Nasser lacked the long term consistency exhibited by Flex, Ray,Levrone, Yates, Coleman etc. That's why he's so bitter and full of excuses (Judges,racism, etc) rather than accept his own shortcomings.

Since nasser is undoubtedly reading this exchange bobs has to somehow soften the truth so nasser won't cut off the discount he offers bobs on worn ~~clothes~~ underoos.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #240 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:23:32 PM »

Quote from: Tyr on September 10, 2009, 11:19:10 PM

True Bigbobs lost the argument pages ago and is now doing what he does best - try to spin his way out by claiming unfair stats and the like. Its always a moving target when you debate with a lovestruck zealot. When the stats are in nassers favor its acceptable but when its not it should be disregarded $:-\$

The undeniable fact is Nasser lacked the long term consistency exhibited by Flex, Ray,Levrone, Yates, Coleman etc. That's why he's so bitter and full of excuses (Judges,racism, etc) rather than accept his own shortcomings.

Since nasser is undoubtedly reading this exchange bobs has to somehow soften the truth so nasser won't cut off the discount he offers bobs on worn ~~clothes~~ underoos.

I like that....I like that a lot

Tyr · « **Reply #241 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:26:21 PM »

Quote from: Groink on September 10, 2009, 11:23:32 PM

I like that....I like that a lot

Amusingly enough even the thread starter- bigbobs real life friend Ag2 agreed with ND that Levrone is better.

mossel · « **Reply #242 on:** September 11, 2009, 12:30:12 AM »

boom!!! embrace the future...

KevinP85 · « **Reply #243 on:** September 11, 2009, 12:36:05 AM »

A better comparison would be Flex Vs Kevin. That's a tough one, who do you guys think was better?

mossel · « **Reply #244 on:** September 11, 2009, 01:26:12 AM »

What about this lineup!!!! who's the greatest!?

bigbobs · « **Reply #245 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:21:16 PM »

Quote from: Groink on September 10, 2009, 04:37:04 PM

but yet that's exactly what you are doing.

ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.

You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.

Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"

you are a douche

Wrong, my original take was to compare the two of them at their best (imo both were at their best in the mid to late 90's). I started posting about the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat in response to you basing the whole discussion contest history alone - not only that but contest history throughout the entire career rather than focusing on prime years. Since then ND has only been posting about contest results as well.

bigbobs · « **Reply #246 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:25:43 PM »

Quote from: Parker on September 10, 2009, 09:48:30 PM

Because THEY were better, you love and blindness for Nasser's ballsack clouds your judgement...
Dillett had better shape and fullness, width and was more of uber-freak. Chris had better shape, fullness, back, and detail.

BTW he says, "Please be gentle while shaving his ball wrinkles...it hurts"

too bad when they stood together, pictures disagree (and contest placings since some here really focus on that

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #247 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:26:41 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 11, 2009, 03:21:16 PM

Wrong, my original take was to compare the two of them at their best (imo both were at their best in the mid to late 90's). I started posting about the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat in response to you basing the whole discussion contest history alone - not only that but contest history throughout the entire career rather than focusing on prime years. Since then ND has only been posting about contest results as well.

again you don't even know Kevin's best years and Nasser said his best year was 1997 a year in which Kevin beat him SEVEN out of EIGHT times and this was NOT Kevin's best year either

bigbobs · « **Reply #248 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:30:35 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on September 11, 2009, 03:26:41 PM

again you don't even know Kevin's best years and Nasser said his best year was 1997 a year in which Kevin beat him SEVEN out of EIGHT times and this was NOT Kevin's best year either

When did Nasser say 97 was his best year? 97 was the year he placed highest at the Olympia, but the 97 O was hardly his best shape. He was better at the 97 AC, the 96 Olympia and GP shows, and some others. Levrone never beat him at the 97 AC or Olympia either, only the GP shows as Nasser didn't stay in as great shape after the 97 O as he did in 96 and other years. I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #249 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:36:46 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on September 11, 2009, 03:30:35 PM

When did Nasser say 97 was his best year? 97 was the year he placed highest at the Olympia, but the 97 O was hardly his best shape. He was better at the 97 AC, the 96 Olympia and GP shows, and some others. Levrone never beat him at the 97 AC or Olympia either, only the GP shows as Nasser didn't stay in as great shape after the 97 O as he did in 96 and other years. I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."

Flex Magazine Oct 2004

RANT! Nasser hates stupid questions

NASSER EL SONBATY hasn't been happy with his placings at bodybuilding shows of late. In May, EI Sonbaty, who once was accustomed to top-tier placings, finished 15th at the Night Of Champions. He's hoping to rectify that at the GNC Show of Strength this fall.

In the meantime, he had a few definitive statements to make. "I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. But judges should judge in the present, not in the past. They should only compare competitors to other competitors onstage at that competition, not to the way bodybuilders have looked in the past."

On the subject of when he plans to retire, EI Sonbaty is anything but near retiring. "I'm tired of being asked that stupid question. I don't know. Do you know when you're going to retire? Or when you're going to die? Or when you're going to have children? When I know I'm going to retire, I'll announce it, but until then, I don't know." Other subjects to avoid with him include how many chicken breasts he eats and how much he bench presses. You've been warned.

"I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997.

his own words