Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?

[Sherief Shalaby]

Saladtosser, how short tall are you ?

your neck is barely above the bar in that pic.

Did Al-Qaeda choose you because you can fit inside a wicker basket with some dynamite?  

yes they once asked me to hide in your mother's ass with some bombs to explode them as soon as she entered a bus

[NarcissisticDeity]

Just got clarification from the Man himself on the Flex quoting him as saying that 97 was his best year.  Copying and pasting an excerpt from an email that NASSER sent me today on the subject:

"There is a slight misinterpretation from FLEX magazine about what I had said regarding my best showing.
I was discussing Jim Manion's opinion when I said that I am being compared with my best which is what Manion - obviously - thinks was the 1997 " O ".  Because Manion almost never, except once went to Europe for one of the European Tours. So he has NOT seen ALL my shows and again, I do not think that 1997 was my best. I was better in 1996, also fuller and bigger in the Euro shows.  For Manion however 1997 was " nasser's " best because he could witness personally how Yates looked bad next to me."

That makes zero sense I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. how did they misinterpret that this was not actually his words but someone else? I think I'M being unfairly compared to MY best-ever look of 1997 he was discussing someone else opinion on his personal best but just happened to leave this person out , this makes sense to you?

that explanation doesn't make much sense but whatever if he feels he was better in 96 who cares  because Dorian make him look bad next to him at the Olympia and three Grand Prixs  and it still wasn't Kevin's best year

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's funny is you just recently spoke with Nasser on the topic and he never committed to a definitive answer , your quote I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."

Now you're saying you just spoke to him again and it wasn't his words but Manions saying his best-ever look was 1997 , something smells fishy there Bobs , he was unsure ' recently ' but somehow after my post he decided to comment

[dr.chimps]

What's funny is you just recently spoke with Nasser on the topic and he never committed to a definitive answer , your quote I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."

Now you're saying you just spoke to him again and it wasn't his words but Manions saying his best-ever look was 1997 , something smells fishy there Bobs , he was unsure ' recently ' but somehow after my post he decided to comment

Smells Fishy! Hell, there's always something rotten in the state of Denmark Team Nasser.   

[NarcissisticDeity]

Smells Fishy! Hell, there's always something rotten in the state of Denmark Team Nasser.   

All the sudden Nasser get's clear ONLY after I post a quote  and his words weren't really his words but Jim Manions , that explanation makes zero sense as did Nasser's explanation that all pros uses Synthol yet he never did

[dr.chimps]

All the sudden Nasser get's clear ONLY after I post a quote  and his words weren't really his words but Jim Manions , that explanation makes zero sense as did Nasser's explanation that all pros uses Synthol yet he never did

Yeah, yeah. And Nasser doesn't sell soiled thongs! Oh, wait! He does!? I....ur...well, he's only giving the fans what they want. He's a people person, is our Nasser. Noble man, Wizard of Truth...boilerplate attributes... 

[Sherief Shalaby]

Smells Fishy! Hell, there's always something rotten in the state of Denmark Team Nasser.   

i prefer macbeth

[Mr Nobody]

Yeah, yeah. And Nasser doesn't sell soiled thongs! Oh, wait! He does!? I....ur...well, he's only giving the fans what they want. He's a people person, is our Nasser. Noble man, Wizard of Truth...boilerplate attributes... 

I heard through the grapevine that several contestants were wearing Nasser used thongs at Atlantic City

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah, yeah. And Nasser doesn't sell soiled thongs! Oh, wait! He does!? I....ur...well, he's only giving the fans what they want. He's a people person, is our Nasser. Noble man, Wizard of Truth...boilerplate attributes... 

Yeah they fought tooth & nail he didn't sell used trunks but folded when someone posted the proof then spun it as he's doing a service for his fans 

Flex magazine misquoted him on what his best year was m he was acting as Jim Manion when he said his best year was 1997

[kiwiol]

Yeah they fought tooth & nail he didn't sell used trunks but folded when someone posted the proof then spun it as he's doing a service for his fans 

Flex magazine misquoted him on what his best year was m he was acting as Jim Manion when he said his best year was 1997

97 was his best year. In 94, he placed 7th and wasn't a factor in the contest at all. In 95, he improved a lot after moving to the states, put on some size and got 3rd at the Olympia. In 96, he was 280 and huge, but blocky and wasn't in his 95 condition, not to mention he was disqualified. In 97, the Olympia reports say that he dropped 10 lb and came in at 270 lb, which improved his taper and conditioning, which is why he was 2nd - his best shape ever.

But he started slipping again from 98 on. Sure he won the AC in 99 (shallow field compared to the Olympias) and competed in the AC in 97 and 98 too, but lost them to Flex Wheeler who was dialled in. Flex wouldn't have beaten Nasser in the 97 and 98 AC if Nasser was in his 97 Olympia shape. And in the 97 Grand Prix shows, Nasser was nearly the same as he was in the Olympia a few days earlier, but Kevin improved a whole lot, which is why he beat him in all the contests. Ronnie improved too and beat Kevin and the rest of the lineup in the last contest (the Russian Grand Prix).

And it wasn't racism either, cause each of those Grand Prix shows were judged by a different panel of judges, all of whom picked Kevin as the winner for the first 6 (and Ronnie for the 7th).

[Sherief Shalaby]

Kevins whole lower body was weak in comparison to nasser’s.. nasser’s quads, hams, and calves were all clearly better and bigger than kevins..

As for the upper body both had weaknesses,.. nasser’s lacked details in his back although he had a good size and width in this area while on the contrary Kevin had a well detailed back (still not like flex wheeler or shawn ray) but needed a thicker and bigger one to go with his massive arms and shoulders.. this is why his lats always looked relatively small from the front (like flex wheeler).. kevin also needed a bigger and wider chest, you always see his arms and shoulders oversizing  his chest in the MM pose.. on the other hand nasser’s chest was massive and sick and went very good with his massive big shoulders and arms.. another weakness in levrone is his biceps, from the front it looked flat and lacked definitions, I made a thread before showing that even dorian’s biceps (of course the untorn one) looked better than kevin’s from the front..

imo when bother were a their best nasser had a better and more complete phsique and his fan base at its best was bigger than kevin’s at anytime in his career.. sure kevin deserved to be mr. Olympia (in 2000 and 2002) but he was never a popular choice to be mr. Olympia the same way as nasser was in 1996 and 1997.. but career wise sure kevin had a better one as he won more titles and stayed in the top 6 of mr. olympia for more years!!..

this pic. perfectly shows how levrone needed a wider and bigger torso to go with his massive shoulders and arms as i mentioned above and how nasser had a massive wide torso that fit his huge arms and shoulders.. from the small part we can see of their lower bodies we can say how nasser's quads were bigger and more detailed..

[NarcissisticDeity]

97 was his best year. In 94, he placed 7th and wasn't a factor in the contest at all. In 95, he improved a lot after moving to the states, put on some size and got 3rd at the Olympia. In 96, he was 280 and huge, but blocky and wasn't in his 95 condition, not to mention he was disqualified. In 97, the Olympia reports say that he dropped 10 lb and came in at 270 lb, which improved his taper and conditioning, which is why he was 2nd - his best shape ever.

But he started slipping again from 98 on. Sure he won the AC in 99 (shallow field compared to the Olympias) and competed in the AC in 97 and 98 too, but lost them to Flex Wheeler who was dialled in. Flex wouldn't have beaten Nasser in the 97 and 98 AC if Nasser was in his 97 Olympia shape. And in the 97 Grand Prix shows, Nasser was nearly the same as he was in the Olympia a few days earlier, but Kevin improved a whole lot, which is why he beat him in all the contests. Ronnie improved too and beat Kevin and the rest of the lineup in the last contest (the Russian Grand Prix).

And it wasn't racism either, cause each of those Grand Prix shows were judged by a different panel of judges, all of whom picked Kevin as the winner for the first 6 (and Ronnie for the 7th).

Great post !  I've said before a lot of people maintain 97 was his best Nasser did too apparently until a few posts ago then somehow it wasn't him stating that it was Manion using the terms " I'm " and " My "

[Mr Nobody]

this pic. perfectly shows how levrone needed a wider and bigger torso to go with his massive shoulders and arms as i mentioned above and how nasser had a massive wide torso that fit his huge arms and shoulders.. from the small part we can see of their lower bodies we can say how nasser's quads were bigger and more detailed..

Sheriff can we get a better pic? Quality is bad

[Sherief Shalaby]

Great post !  I've said before a lot of people maintain 97 was his best Nasser did too apparently until a few posts ago then somehow it wasn't him stating that it was Manion using the terms " I'm " and " My "

i dont know what is the problem now!!.. nasser looked great at mr. olympia 97 and definitely it was one of his very best shows.. but imo he was a little better at other shows.. still this has nothing to do with the fact that he was much better than dorian on that day of mr. o. 97..

dorian himself changed his mind as i mentioned before and nothing bad in this too!!..

by the way it's not right to compare mr. olympia's results with GP results with AC results simply because each contest has its own judges and in bb there is no ONE RULE to judge accordingly.. it's not who is stronger as in weightlifting or who is faster as in running it's who is better and better is not a chainable thing according to each judges mind!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

Sheriff can we get a better pic? Quality is bad

no we cant because it was taken from a video!

[Sherief Shalaby]

but still it's good enough to see how narrow kevin's torso was in comparison to his arms.. also in comparison to Nasser who was more proportional..

[Mr Nobody]

but still it's good enough to see how narrow kevin's torso was in comparison to his arms.. also in comparison to Nasser who was more proportional..

Sheriff I guess I'll have to agree with on this one clearly from the bad pics Nasser is best.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Sheriff I guess I'll have to agree with on this one clearly from the bad pics Nasser is best.

good pics are good for all and bad pics. are bad for all!!..

unless kevin too doent look good in pics. and you have to see him in reality

[NarcissisticDeity]

this pic. perfectly shows how levrone needed a wider and bigger torso to go with his massive shoulders and arms as i mentioned above and how nasser had a massive wide torso that fit his huge arms and shoulders.. from the small part we can see of their lower bodies we can say how nasser's quads were bigger and more detailed..

Did he need that when he beat Nasser 25 times? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

i dont know what is the problem now!!.. nasser looked great at mr. olympia 97 and definitely it was one of his very best shows.. but imo he was a little better at other shows.. still this has nothing to do with the fact that he was much better than dorian on that day of mr. o. 97..

dorian himself changed his mind as i mentioned before and nothing bad in this too!!..

by the way it's not right to compare mr. olympia's results with GP results with AC results simply because each contest has its own judges and in bb there is no ONE RULE to judge accordingly.. it's not who is stronger as in weightlifting or who is faster as in running it's who is better and better is not a chainable thing according to each judges mind!!..

Nasser was better than Dorian in some poses in 1997 but the judges thought Dorian was better

and Dorian changed his mind at the conclusion of his career NOT after someone on a message board posted a quote in which he said wasn't even him

most of the judges at most contests decided Kevin was better than Nasser that's old news

[Sherief Shalaby]

Did he need that when he beat Nasser 25 times? 

man no need to keep saying this because we all agree than kevin beat nasser more and won more pro. shows and was among the best for a longer period.. when i say nasser's body is more proportional because he didnt have one part oversizing the other i am expecting you to comment on this saying for example that you dont agree and that you see something else.. but what is the point to keep mentioning a fact we all know!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

97 was his best year. In 94, he placed 7th and wasn't a factor in the contest at all. In 95, he improved a lot after moving to the states, put on some size and got 3rd at the Olympia. In 96, he was 280 and huge, but blocky and wasn't in his 95 condition, not to mention he was disqualified. In 97, the Olympia reports say that he dropped 10 lb and came in at 270 lb, which improved his taper and conditioning, which is why he was 2nd - his best shape ever.

But he started slipping again from 98 on. Sure he won the AC in 99 (shallow field compared to the Olympias) and competed in the AC in 97 and 98 too, but lost them to Flex Wheeler who was dialled in. Flex wouldn't have beaten Nasser in the 97 and 98 AC if Nasser was in his 97 Olympia shape. And in the 97 Grand Prix shows, Nasser was nearly the same as he was in the Olympia a few days earlier, but Kevin improved a whole lot, which is why he beat him in all the contests. Ronnie improved too and beat Kevin and the rest of the lineup in the last contest (the Russian Grand Prix).

And it wasn't racism either, cause each of those Grand Prix shows were judged by a different panel of judges, all of whom picked Kevin as the winner for the first 6 (and Ronnie for the 7th).

and how do you see nasser "blocky" at mr. o. 96??.. i can call fux or marcus naturally blocky but nasser was huge and still symmetrical with fantastic abs.. what is your definition of "blocky" when we talk about bb??.. and to be a parrot for one time (sorry ND) the experts of flex magazine wrote that nasser was bigger and better at mr. olympia 96 than 95!!..

plz answer honestly, dont you think dorian was blocky in 97??..

check this pic. to know that nasser was better at mr. o. 96 than 97.. bigger, fuller and even more cut..

[NarcissisticDeity]

man no need to keep saying this because we all agree than kevin beat nasser more and won more pro. shows and was among the best for a longer period.. when i say nasser's body is more proportional because he didnt have one part oversizing the other i am expecting you to comment on this saying for example that you dont agree and that you see something else.. but what is the point to keep mentioning a fact we all know!!..

No there is a perfect need to say it you keep insisting Kevin needs something compared to Nasser and he doesn't , he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him despite what you say he's lacking

Nasser does have good balance but his main flaws in this area are a long torso and short legs and his forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps and his back was severely lacking in proportionate size & thickness for the rest of his physique , he had good width but that doesn't compensate , which is why he never won the big one

[Sherief Shalaby]

No there is a perfect need to say it you keep insisting Kevin needs something compared to Nasser and he doesn't , he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him despite what you say he's lacking

Nasser doesn't have good balance but his main flaws in this area are a long torso and short legs and his forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps and his back was severely lacking in proportionate size & thickness for the rest of his physique , he had good width but that doesn't compensate , which is why he never won the big one

what was wroing with nasser's forearms??.. it was not like dorian's but was not bad at all and went good with his arms.. in his comparison with levrone, the later too didnt have teremendous forearms, just good (as nasser's).. check the pic. again..

so you see that nasser's torso was long for his legs and dont see how skinny and long kevin's neck was!!..

[kiwiol]

and how do you see nasser "blocky" at mr. o. 96??.. i can call fux or marcus naturally blocky but nasser was huge and still symmetrical with fantastic abs.. what is your definition of "blocky" when we talk about bb??.. and to be a parrot for one time (sorry ND) the experts of flex magazine wrote that nasser was bigger and better at mr. olympia 96 than 95!!..

plz answer honestly, dont you think dorian was blocky in 97??..

check this pic. to know that nasser was better at mr. o. 96 than 97.. bigger, fuller and even more cut..

Blocky not as in as "bad" as Marcus, but compared to his 97 Mr Olympia shape. In 97, he was 10 lb lighter, with a smaller waist and greater quad sweep, which made him look better in all of the mandatories. And I'm speaking relatively - comparing his 96 shape to his 97 shape. I personally think he looked better (sharper) in 95 than he did in 96. 96 he was massive, but didn't look as impressive as he did in 97.