Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?

[NarcissisticDeity]

what was wroing with nasser's forearms??.. it was not like dorian's but was not bad at all and went good with his arms.. in his comparison with levrone, the later too didnt have teremendous forearms, just good (as nasser's).. check the pic. again..

so you see that nasser's torso was long for his legs and dont see how skinny and long kevin's neck was!!..

Nasser's forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps they suck

[Sherief Shalaby]

Blocky not as in as "bad" as Marcus, but compared to his 97 Mr Olympia shape. In 97, he was 10 lb lighter, with a smaller waist and greater quad sweep, which made him look better in all of the mandatories. And I'm speaking relatively - comparing his 96 shape to his 97 shape. I personally think he looked better (sharper) in 95 than he did in 96. 96 he was massive, but didn't look as impressive as he did in 97.

what was wrong with his quad sweep in 96 .. his quads were as sharp in 96 as 95 if not sharper although they were bigger.. you can check some pics on mucletime if you want..

you still didnt answer my question,.. dont you think dorian was "blocky" in 97??..

[kiwiol]

what was wrong with his quad sweep in 96 .. his quads were as sharp in 96 as 95 if not sharper although they were bigger.. you can check some pics on mucletime if you want..

you still didnt answer my question,.. dont you think dorian was "blocky" in 97??..

There is nothing wrong with his quad sweep or shape in 96. I'm saying he looks better in 97 cause his sweep was bigger then, while his waist was smaller. And yes, Dorian was blocky in 97 compared to his best shape (95 Olympia) - no question.

I'd like to see his mandatory poses from 96 compared side by side with those of his 97 shape - I saw it ages ago in some thread and the difference was quite impressive.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Nasser's forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps they suck

 .. so how do you see shawn ray's forearms or ronnie's forearms or kevin's??.. they all had just good forearms, same as nasser.. non one of them had outstanding forearms like lee priest or dorian or to a lesser degree flex wheeler..

can you answer this,.. dont you think that dorian's great forearms went against him because they killed the proportion with his relatively weak upper arms??.. or you notice these things only when it comes to nasser

[Sherief Shalaby]

hey ND,.. dont you think that kevin too has relatively short legs??.. why have you noticed nasser's case only??..

[Sherief Shalaby]

There is nothing wrong with his quad sweep or shape in 96. I'm saying he looks better in 97 cause his sweep was bigger then, while his waist was smaller. And yes, Dorian was blocky in 97 compared to his best shape (95 Olympia) - no question.

I'd like to see his mandatory poses from 96 compared side by side with those of his 97 shape - I saw it ages ago in some thread and the difference was quite impressive.

sure dorian was a big block in 97 and what made him look even more blocky than his reality was his weak small arms.. this exposed his blocky torso more.. in 95 he was great and deserved to win IMO but he was still more blocky than nasser!!.. note i am not saying he was blocky in 95, i am saying he was just more blocky than nasser who was bigger than him but still with a smaller waist and sharper abs..

[Jonny34]

Kevin and Dorian clearly beating Nasser. Nasser was always holding to much water and bloated, of course that's why he never placed very well. Plus as soon as he turns around, "No back Nasser", proves that he was just a "2nd tier" bodybuilder.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hey ND,.. dont you think that kevin too has relatively short legs??.. why have you noticed nasser's case only??..

You act like you discovered a new planet YES Kevin has a long torso and short legs too and I have said this before ( old news ) ask first before you presume 

[NarcissisticDeity]

.. so how do you see shawn ray's forearms or ronnie's forearms or kevin's??.. they all had just good forearms, same as nasser.. non one of them had outstanding forearms like lee priest or dorian or to a lesser degree flex wheeler..

can you answer this,.. dont you think that dorian's great forearms went against him because they killed the proportion with his relatively weak upper arms??.. or you notice these things only when it comes to nasser

Why do you always deflect to anyone else when I question Nasser ? if you ask I'll tell you I've said many times Ronnie's forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps ( again old news ) you're hypersensitive to Nasser

Dorian's at his best ( pay attention to this at his best ) Arms were in better balance & proportion than all above mentioned , stop trying to escape Nasser's flaws on the subject of Nasser

[NarcissisticDeity]

Kevin and Dorian clearly beating Nasser. Nasser was always holding to much water and bloated, of course that's why he never placed very well. Plus as soon as he turns around, "No back Nasser", proves that he was just a "2nd tier" bodybuilder.

What's funny is they're both the exact same weight in 1997 and Dorian looks much bigger in that shot

[Sherief Shalaby]

You act like you discovered a new planet YES Kevin has a long torso and short legs too and I have said this before ( old news ) ask first before you presume 

really??.. so why didnt you mention it again here when comparing nasser with kevin?.. you were mentioning nasser's weak points in a certain area in comparison to kevin so if you were neutral you had to mention kevin's same weakness too..

it's funny to use a certain weakness in nasser to show he was worse than kevin while the later had the exact same thing

[Sherief Shalaby]

Why do you always deflect to anyone else when I question Nasser ? if you ask I'll tell you I've said many times Ronnie's forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps ( again old news ) you're hypersensitive to Nasser

Dorian's at his best ( pay attention to this at his best ) Arms were in better balance & proportion than all above mentioned , stop trying to escape Nasser's flaws on the subject of Nasser

frankly speaking i dont see nasser's forearms bad.. they were not outstanding but still went very good with his upper arm.. and here we are talking about nasser and kevin who both had big upper arms, do you really believe that kevin's forearms were anything special in comparison to nasser's??.. i dont think so..

in other words why do you keep mentioning nasser's "weak points" in this thread and dont mention kevin's weak points except after i mention them like my parrot (just kidding here) ..

[NarcissisticDeity]

really??.. so why didnt you mention it again here when comparing nasser with kevin?.. you were mentioning nasser's weak points in a certain area in comparison to kevin so if you were neutral you had to mention kevin's same weakness too..

it's funny to use a certain weakness in nasser to show he was worse than kevin while the later had the exact same thing

NO ONE asked to mention Kevin's weaknesses and it's a moot point because despite them he routinely beat Nasser , and you mentioned Kevin's lack torso thickness ( much like Nasser's lack of a back ) and I've said many times before you got two versions of Kevin the smaller harder & ripped one or the bigger softer one he could never really maintain the balance between the two

and the weakness is relative to who you're competing with , if everyone has shit calves than guess what how much of a weakness is it? you have to take all this into consideration

[Sherief Shalaby]

Nasser's forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps they suck

i can easily use your WRONG WAY to post certain pictures to prove that nasser's forearm was better than dorian (which is not true)!!..

[NarcissisticDeity]

i can easily use your WRONG WAY to post certain pictures to prove that nasser's forearm was better than dorian (which is not true)!!..

my ' wrong way '  spare me how is this pic a wrong way? these forearms are NOT in proportion with his biceps & triceps and I said Dorian AT HIS BEST 1996 was NOT his best

[NarcissisticDeity]

frankly speaking i dont see nasser's forearms bad.. they were not outstanding but still went very good with his upper arm.. and here we are talking about nasser and kevin who both had big upper arms, do you really believe that kevin's forearms were anything special in comparison to nasser's??.. i dont think so..

in other words why do you keep mentioning nasser's "weak points" in this thread and dont mention kevin's weak points except after i mention them like my parrot (just kidding here) ..

You see a lt of things that contradict reality nothing new , they did NOT match his biceps & triceps ! Kevin had the same problem to an extent but no one is claiming everything was in proportion for Kevin

[Sherief Shalaby]

my ' wrong way '  spare me how is this pic a wrong way? these forearms are NOT in proportion with his biceps & triceps and I said Dorian AT HIS BEST 1996 was NOT his best

so you see that in 96 dorian's arm was not proportinal ..

lol even in 95 his left arm was not..

[Sherief Shalaby]

You see a lt of things that contradict reality nothing new , they did NOT match his biceps & triceps ! Kevin had the same problem to an extent but no one is claiming everything was in proportion for Kevin

ok so can you make a fair comparison between nasser's physique at his best and kevin's at his best mentioning the strong and weak points of each of them??..

[NarcissisticDeity]

so you see that in 96 dorian's arm was not proportinal ..

lol even in 95 his left arm was not..

Again did you miss AT HIS BEST ? and do you think having on bicep shorter than the other effects the rest of his balance & proportion? how does this effect his torso length? leg length? upper & lower balance , lots to consider when talking balance & proportion .

[Jonny34]

What's funny is they're both the exact same weight in 1997 and Dorian looks much bigger in that shot

Very true my friend. You have been crushing Sherif, poor guy has very little knowledge of bodybuilding. What's funny is, the guy is about 5'1 140 pounds. 

[bigbobs]

That makes zero sense I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. how did they misinterpret that this was not actually his words but someone else? I think I'M being unfairly compared to MY best-ever look of 1997 he was discussing someone else opinion on his personal best but just happened to leave this person out , this makes sense to you?

that explanation doesn't make much sense but whatever if he feels he was better in 96 who cares  because Dorian make him look bad next to him at the Olympia and three Grand Prixs  and it still wasn't Kevin's best year

Sure that makes sense.  He's saying that Manion (who has influence over judging/contest placings) believes Nasser's best was the 97 Olympia, and therefore in 2004 Nasser gets unfairly compared to his 97 shape (by Manion) rather than simply being compared to other bodybuilders onstage that day.

[bigbobs]

What's funny is you just recently spoke with Nasser on the topic and he never committed to a definitive answer , your quote I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."

Now you're saying you just spoke to him again and it wasn't his words but Manions saying his best-ever look was 1997 , something smells fishy there Bobs , he was unsure ' recently ' but somehow after my post he decided to comment

I emailed him a reference to Flex's quote a few days ago and pasted his reply to it - what's so "fishy" there?  

About a year ago I asked him on the phone what his best show was and he didnt give a definite answer.

[bigbobs]

i dont know what is the problem now!!.. nasser looked great at mr. olympia 97 and definitely it was one of his very best shows.. but imo he was a little better at other shows.. still this has nothing to do with the fact that he was much better than dorian on that day of mr. o. 97..

dorian himself changed his mind as i mentioned before and nothing bad in this too!!..

by the way it's not right to compare mr. olympia's results with GP results with AC results simply because each contest has its own judges and in bb there is no ONE RULE to judge accordingly.. it's not who is stronger as in weightlifting or who is faster as in running it's who is better and better is not a chainable thing according to each judges mind!!..

Also the Olympia is the big show where everyone tries to peak for, and as the GP shows are held over the next few weeks they are largely a test of which competitors can stay closest to their peak for an extended period of time after the big show.  In 96 Nasser did this better than in 97, and hence his repeated wins over Levrone.

[Jonny34]

Nasser had so many weakpoints. His back of course was the worst. Every MR.OLYMPIA had a great back. There is no way we can throw NASSER into that category. Nasser was more a "2nd tier" bodybuilder. The judges did a great job, and Dorian was ALWAYS better than Nasser, same with Kevin and Flex, and of course Shawn. Nasser is very bitter and jealous.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I emailed him a reference to Flex's quote a few days ago and pasted his reply to it - what's so "fishy" there?  

About a year ago I asked him on the phone what his best show was and he didnt give a definite answer.

What's fishy? are you kidding me? he says that the quote isn't even him speaking it's Manion and you ask what's fishy? and you asked him recently but he gave you no definitive answer but now after I posted that quote , all the sudden we get an ' answer ' and you're asking what's fishy lol