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Escape from New York
City Journal ^ | Sep 2009 | Wendell Cox

Dysfunctional policies are driving away millions of residents and billions of dollars.
1 September 2009


New York State faces a host of economic and budgetary problems, as many of the stories in this issue make clear. One way of expressing the depth of these problems is through the state’s startling domestic-migration numbers. “Domestic migration” refers to people who move from one location to another within the United States. It takes into account migrants both into a state and out of it, subtracting immigrants from emigrants to yield the net number of people leaving a state. When that number is high, we can deduce that a state’s problems are prompting its residents to flee for friendlier locales.

From 2001 to 2008, New York lost more than 1.5 million domestic migrants—a larger loss than any other state’s (see Chart 1). That’s also the largest percentage loss of any state—more than 8 percent of New York’s 2000 population—even beating out Katrina-ravaged Louisiana. Among the many reasons for the hemorrhaging are the high taxes and heavy regulations that make New York one of the least business-friendly states, as well as high housing costs in the New York metropolitan region. Internal Revenue Service data indicate that the top destinations for New York’s domestic migrants were Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina (Chart 2).

Virtually every part of the state—from metropolitan New York City, which largely thrived until recently, to Buffalo, which is economically depressed—suffers from net domestic outmigration (Chart 3). The exception is the state capital, Albany, which experienced a gain, no doubt attributable to the effects of government, including public employment. Losses were concentrated in metropolitan New York City, which accounted for more than 1.3 million net domestic outmigrants—nearly 90 percent of the state’s loss. (Metropolitan New York City is defined as the New York State counties within the Census Bureau’s 30-county “New York Consolidated Area.”) Almost 11 percent of the metropolitan area’s 2000 population was lost to domestic migration, compared with less than 3 percent in the rest of the state.

Each year during this decade, the state has lost billions of dollars in people’s personal income as a result of domestic migration (Chart 4). With the exception of those emigrating from New York City’s suburbs, domestic migrants generally have higher incomes than New Yorkers who do not move. Not only is New York losing talented people to the rest of the country, then; it is also losing enormous financial resources at a time when it can least afford to.

Wendell Cox is the principal of Demographia, an international public-policy consulting firm, and a visiting professor at the Conservatoire National des Arts et Métiers in Paris. The data in his story are from a forthcoming report to be issued by the Empire Center for New York State Policy.

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You know whats hysterical, when the liberal commies in this state have to face the failures that they are solely responaible for, thier answer? DOUBLE DOWN ON SOCIALISTIC FAILURES! 

Its utterly ridiculous what goes on in this state. 

I am looking at going to CT at this point where the property taxes a half hour away are only 50% or less what they are in N.Y.

 

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My state is a liberal mess gone wrong. 

lol.  Welcome to my world.   :D

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Who was the mayor in NY between 2001 and 2008 and what party did he belong to?
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Who was the mayor in NY between 2001 and 2008 and what party did he belong to?

Mayor Bloomberg, the mayor for the last 8 years, is a Republican.

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millions of people of fleeing Hawaii because of the socialist failures of liberal commies?


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Escape from New York
City Journal ^ | Sep 2009 | Wendell Cox

Dysfunctional policies are driving away millions of residents and billions of dollars.
1 September 2009


New York State faces a host of economic and budgetary problems, as many of the stories in this issue make clear. One way of expressing the depth of these problems is through the state’s startling domestic-migration numbers. “Domestic migration” refers to people who move from one location to another within the United States. It takes into account migrants both into a state and out of it, subtracting immigrants from emigrants to yield the net number of people leaving a state. When that number is high, we can deduce that a state’s problems are prompting its residents to flee for friendlier locales.

From 2001 to 2008, New York lost more than 1.5 million domestic migrants—a larger loss than any other state’s (see Chart 1). That’s also the largest percentage loss of any state—more than 8 percent of New York’s 2000 population—even beating out Katrina-ravaged Louisiana. Among the many reasons for the hemorrhaging are the high taxes and heavy regulations that make New York one of the least business-friendly states, as well as high housing costs in the New York metropolitan region. Internal Revenue Service data indicate that the top destinations for New York’s domestic migrants were Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina (Chart 2).

Virtually every part of the state—from metropolitan New York City, which largely thrived until recently, to Buffalo, which is economically depressed—suffers from net domestic outmigration (Chart 3). The exception is the state capital, Albany, which experienced a gain, no doubt attributable to the effects of government, including public employment. Losses were concentrated in metropolitan New York City, which accounted for more than 1.3 million net domestic outmigrants—nearly 90 percent of the state’s loss. (Metropolitan New York City is defined as the New York State counties within the Census Bureau’s 30-county “New York Consolidated Area.”) Almost 11 percent of the metropolitan area’s 2000 population was lost to domestic migration, compared with less than 3 percent in the rest of the state.

Each year during this decade, the state has lost billions of dollars in people’s personal income as a result of domestic migration (Chart 4). With the exception of those emigrating from New York City’s suburbs, domestic migrants generally have higher incomes than New Yorkers who do not move. Not only is New York losing talented people to the rest of the country, then; it is also losing enormous financial resources at a time when it can least afford to.

Wendell Cox is the principal of Demographia, an international public-policy consulting firm, and a visiting professor at the Conservatoire National des Arts et Métiers in Paris. The data in his story are from a forthcoming report to be issued by the Empire Center for New York State Policy.

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My state is a liberal mess gone wrong. 

holy shit

who was the liberal socialist marxist nazi who was running things from 2001 thru 2008?

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SHACKLING NY
WHY STATE IS IN DECLINE
May 5, 2009

"FREEDOM in the 50 States" is the most comprehensive ef fort to date to rank states by how their public policies influence "individual freedom in the economic, social and personal spheres."

New York state is dead last in the freedom index "by a wide margin," the new study by George Mason University's Mercatus Center reports.

The study includes dozens of variables, from social and personal freedoms (such as parents' rights to educate their children) to regulatory freedom (such as the degree of occupational- licensing requirements) to fiscal liberty (as measured, for instance, by states' debt burdens, which represent a constraint on future generations).

That New York's economic freedom is poor won't astonish businesses operating here, which must deal with an octopus-like regulatory regime, a civil-justice system that favors plaintiffs over defendants, high taxes and crushing per-capita government debt. But New Yorkers, who like to consider themselves enlightened and socially permissive, might be surprised at where their state ranks on the study's personal-freedom index -- third from the bottom.

Why? Because in New York, personal freedoms are often narrowly defined as liberties that Albany politicians deem suitable. Otherwise, state policy is extremely restrictive. While New York has liberal gambling laws, it regulates home schooling extensively, seizes property often through eminent-domain laws and imposes health-insurance mandates that limit choices.

What are the consequences of this lack of freedom? The best way to judge is to look at the collective condition of the states with the worst rankings. (New Jersey is in 49th place, following California and Rhode Island.)

Together, New York, New Jersey and California face some $65 billion in budget deficits in 2009, amounting to more than two-thirds of the budget gaps faced by all 50 states. These states' stratospheric spending and taxes have stifled economic growth and left them scarily unprepared for the economic downturn.

Job growth has lagged, too. New Jersey in the last decade saw virtually no private-sector job gains, even counting the boom years before this steep recession. California's unemployment rate is the country's fourth highest, and Rhode Island's is sixth. The bottom-rankers also have reputations as the places that citizens most want to flee for other states.

What a contrast with the study's freest states: New Hampshire, Colorado, South Dakota, Idaho and Texas. They all have unemployment rates at or below the national average. (New Hampshire's is 6.2 percent, or two full points below the nation's, according to recent Labor Department statistics.) Every one is also a net winner in terms of domestic migration, with far more citizens entering than leaving.

The Mercatus study makes clear that what ails New York can't be boiled down to any one of its curbs on freedom -- whether it's a high in- come-tax rate, restrictions on development or a bureaucratic licensing regime. It suffers from the vise grip such Albany politicians as Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver have put on life in general. Reform won't be as simple as cutting a tax or eliminating a regulation. New York needs fundamental change to make the state democratic again, and it needs reform candidates willing to push for that change.

Such candidates would fight to take away legislative redistricting power from state lawmakers -- who protect themselves when they draw voting districts to the point that 98 percent get re-elected -- and give it to a nonpartisan commission charged with redrawing districts to make them competitive again, as states like Iowa and Arizona have done.

A reform agenda might also include instituting term limits to eliminate Albany's lifetime sinecures, and adding greater transparency to state and local government operations by putting online more details about expenditures and contracts, so citizens can see firsthand how their tax dollars are spent.

Undemocratic and unfree countries often restrict the flow of their businesses to other, more appealing, places. Because New York state doesn't have that option, its long decline will continue -- unless it has a new birth of freedom.

Steven Malanga is sen ior editor of City Journal and a Manhattan Institute senior fellow. Adapted from City Journal.
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i HAVE LIVED ME MY WHOLE LIFE AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUDY. 

Rudy was a great mayor of NYC.

The entire State is in massive decline due to the criminals in Albany.  The speaker of the Assembly, Sheldon Silver, and his democrats, are who really control the state. 

In the lower Hudson Valley - we have lost over 35% of people 18-34 who leave because of the high taxes and cost of living imposed by govt.  35%!

Upstate N.Y. is even worse.  There are many small tows where people with tiny houses built 70 years ago pay 10k or better in property taxes alone.

This state is a baseket case on every level. 


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Re: Escape from New York: Liberal policies driving millions from the Empire State
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2009, 06:12:15 AM »
333386, I thought you were a liberal.

I am a liberal - a Classical Liberal in the Adam Smith mold. 

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Re: Escape from New York: Liberal policies driving millions from the Empire State
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2009, 07:13:29 AM »
Bloomberg was a democrat for many years, switched to the republican party in 2001, left the republican party in 2007 and has declared himself an independent since then.

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Re: Escape from New York: Liberal policies driving millions from the Empire State
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2009, 07:26:05 AM »
Brutal thread backfire.

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Re: Escape from New York: Liberal policies driving millions from the Empire State
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2009, 07:32:36 AM »
Brutal thread backfire.

Do you live here idiot? 

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Re: Escape from New York: Liberal policies driving millions from the Empire State
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2009, 07:37:46 AM »
Don't need to live there when the article you posted plainly gives out dates and such.

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Re: Escape from New York: Liberal policies driving millions from the Empire State
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2009, 07:39:27 AM »
I guess you cant read too well. 

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Among the many reasons for the hemorrhaging are the high taxes and heavy regulations that make New York one of the least business-friendly states, as well as high housing costs in the New York metropolitan region. Internal Revenue Service data indicate that the top destinations for New York’s domestic migrants were Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina (Chart

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Stampeding out of NY
Last Updated: 4:22 AM, August 21, 2011




Mind the stampede on your way out — New York has lost 1.6 million residents to other states in the past decade, according to a new report from the Empire Center for State Policy.

That’s the rough equivalent of having the entire city of Philadelphia (population 1.5 million) simply disappear from the map.

In a way, this isn’t news: For two decades, New York has led the nation in domestic outmigration — the percentage of residents leaving for other climes.

But the numbers aren’t looking any better these days. A May survey found that 36% of New Yorkers under 30 plan to flee the state because of high taxes, the crippling cost of living and a basic lack of jobs.

Things have been bad enough to trigger a reverse of the Great Migration — “black flight” back to the South, where ex-New Yorkers make up a hefty piece of the population boom.

The effect is visible: New York’s congressional delegation will soon be pared down to a threadbare 27 members — the smallest pack in just under 200 years.

In absolute numbers, the city hasn’t been shrinking; it’s an immigration magnet. But many new arrivals soon look for greener pastures.

With good reason: New York has the highest local levies and second-highest state taxes in the US. And property taxes are a sick joke: The 15 US counties with the highest property-tax burdens, as a percentage of home value, are all in New York.

Burdens like that send a clear message: Go west young man . . . or south . . . or anywhere but here.

So when New Yorkers flee for the hills, who can blame them?



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/stampeding_out_of_ny_bdXn2KiEgDkiqcCW4d3ckL#ixzz1VlV8fIpv




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Stampeding out of NY
Last Updated: 4:22 AM, August 21, 2011




Mind the stampede on your way out — New York has lost 1.6 million residents to other states in the past decade, according to a new report from the Empire Center for State Policy.

That’s the rough equivalent of having the entire city of Philadelphia (population 1.5 million) simply disappear from the map.

In a way, this isn’t news: For two decades, New York has led the nation in domestic outmigration — the percentage of residents leaving for other climes.

But the numbers aren’t looking any better these days. A May survey found that 36% of New Yorkers under 30 plan to flee the state because of high taxes, the crippling cost of living and a basic lack of jobs.

Things have been bad enough to trigger a reverse of the Great Migration — “black flight” back to the South, where ex-New Yorkers make up a hefty piece of the population boom.

The effect is visible: New York’s congressional delegation will soon be pared down to a threadbare 27 members — the smallest pack in just under 200 years.

In absolute numbers, the city hasn’t been shrinking; it’s an immigration magnet. But many new arrivals soon look for greener pastures.

With good reason: New York has the highest local levies and second-highest state taxes in the US. And property taxes are a sick joke: The 15 US counties with the highest property-tax burdens, as a percentage of home value, are all in New York.

Burdens like that send a clear message: Go west young man . . . or south . . . or anywhere but here.

So when New Yorkers flee for the hills, who can blame them?



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/stampeding_out_of_ny_bdXn2KiEgDkiqcCW4d3ckL#ixzz1VlV8fIpv





Not to mention the fact that only millionaires can afford to live in Manhattan...these days shitty parts of Brooklyn are considered upscale.
I hate the State.

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New York Gerrymandering Reform Comes Around To Bite Democrats
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 1 May, 2022 | Francis Menton
Posted on 5/2/2022, 7:48:29


The decennial census came out in 2020, and now, as the 2022 elections approach, we are in redistricting season. The gerrymanderers are out in force, fighting for advantage in every Congressional and state legislative race nationwide.

For many decades, gerrymandering battles often got fought in the federal courts, where the side that had come out on the short end in the legislature would argue for redress under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the federal Constitution. In 2019 a 5-4 conservative majority of the Supreme Court substantially ended that game in a case called Rucho v. Common Cause. Rucho held that in most circumstances gerrymanders present political questions that are not justiciable by the federal courts. (The decision does carve out at least one exception, for racially-motivated gerrymanders. That seemingly small exception might be applied by creative lawyers to cry foul over almost any redistricting map, so don’t count on federal litigation on this subject to go away.)

The withdrawal of the federal courts from the field now leaves most of the battle in the states. As the Supreme Court majority notes in the last section of its Rucho opinion, many states in recent years have adopted reforms including independent redistricting commissions and constitutional amendments prohibiting redistricting for partisan advantage. People striving for even slight political advantage can always find a way to fight on.

The gerrymandering game has been playing out in a very humorous way here in New York. The Democrats have been the dominant political party in New York for my entire lifetime, but for decades they were frustrated by an inability to take control of the State Senate and thereby gain full control of the legislative process, including the every-tenth-year redistricting. They thought they had the answer to their problems through the creation of one of these independent redistricting commissions. It turns out that that has come around to bite them in the current cycle.

Here’s a brief history of gerrymandering in New York. During the years shortly after World War II, New York was far closer to competitive between the two political parties than it is today. For some reason, during that era the Republicans came into control of the State Senate, while the Democrats controlled the State Assembly. And with help from periodic gerrymandering, this situation then continued for decades. When redistricting time came around every ten years, the two parties would reach an agreement that gerrymandered the legislative districts such that the Republicans would maximize their chances in the Senate, and the Democrats in the Assembly; and the Congressional maps would be a relatively balanced bi-partisan deal. According to this New York Times piece from 2018, in the entire period from World War II until that year, the Democrats had controlled the State Senate for less than three years.

By 2012, with the state now heavily Democratic, and with a huge advantage in voter registration, the Democrats were becoming increasingly frustrated at not being able to take control of the State Senate. In the 2012 redistricting the Democrats drew a line and refused to do the usual deal to gerrymander the State Senate to favor the Republicans. An impasse ensued, followed by federal litigation. As a result, the 2012 maps ended up getting effectively drawn by the federal courts.

In 2012 then-Governor (Andrew) Cuomo and the Democrats in the legislature thought they saw the way out of their difficulties through setting up one of these independent redistricting commissions. They had the idea that with independently drawn districts, they would be likely to get and keep control of the state legislature for the long term — and they were probably right about that. But there are some challenges in structuring an independent commission for redistricting. To keep the legislature from meddling and neutering the prospective commission, the commission and its operating procedures would have to be in the State Constitution. Amending the State Constitution in New York requires having the proposed amendment passed by two consecutive legislatures (with an election in between), and then having the amendment passed as a referendum by the voters. That process occurred during the period 2012-14. In November 2014 the voters approved the amendment.

Thus by the end of 2014 we had substantially new Article III, Sections 4 and 5 of the State Constitution, providing for elaborate procedures by which in the next redistricting cycle the lines would be drawn by this Independent Redistricting Commission (IRC). Some of the more important examples of the procedures include: First the IRC would create a map. Then the map would go to the legislature for an up or down vote. If not approved, it would be back to the IRC to create another map. Then back to the legislature for another vote. If again not approved, the legislature could then get involved, but only starting with the IRC’s map, and with limits on how much it could change any district. To prevent a legislature in the hands of one party from blocking the Commission’s maps and imposing its own, there were supermajority vote requirements if the two houses of the legislature were controlled by the same political party. And then there is this provision:

Districts shall not be drawn to discourage competition or for the purpose of favoring or disfavoring incumbents or other particular candidates or political parties.

As luck would have it, in 2018 — not too long after enactment of the constitutional amendment creating the IRC, and before the IRC had ever gotten involved in a redistricting — the Democrats came into control of the State Senate by a substantial majority. The Democrats immediately realized that they didn’t need the IRC any more, but the amendment was now in the Constitution. They immediately got to work to create another constitutional amendment to substantially neuter the IRC (mainly by eliminating the super-majority requirements when the legislature was in one-party control) — but the voters rejected that amendment in 2021.

And now here we are in 2022. The entire redistricting process has been a mess.

The IRC — evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans — has been unable to come up with any agreed-upon maps. Instead of agreed maps, the IRC first submitted two sets of maps, one from the Democrats and the other from the Republicans. The legislature rejected both sets of maps. Then the IRC announced that it was deadlocked and would not submit another set of maps by its deadline. Then the Democrats in the legislature just scrapped the whole remaining set of constitutionally-prescribed procecures and enacted their own maps, completely bypassing the IRC. And then, everybody who looked at the legislature’s maps could see immediately that they were drawn in an extreme fashion to gain partisan advantage for the Democrats. As the most often noted example, the district of the only Congressional Republican from New York City (who represents Staten Island and a part of Brooklyn) was redrawn to add to the district one of the most heavily-progressive neighborhoods in the country, Park Slope, and thereby almost certainly assure her defeat.

The litigation started immediately, and has proceeded with remarkable expedition. After starting in the State Supreme Court in early February, it has moved through a trial, an initial appeal to the Appellate Division, and a final appeal to the Court of Appeals. The case was argued in the Court of Appeals on April 26, and the court then issued its decision on April 27. I have never heard of that kind of speed from this court before. (It clearly means that the decision was written before the argument took place.)

It is a 4-3 decision. But what is most remarkable is that all seven of the judges of the Court of Appeals were appointed by Democrats (six by Andrew Cuomo and the seventh by brand-new Governor Hochul), yet at least four of them could not stomach the blatant disregard of a voter-passed constitutional amendment that had taken place here. The respondent legislative Democrats didn’t even attempt to argue that all the constitutional procedures had been followed.

And it’s not just the procedures. The constitutional amendment specifically prohibited redistricting maps that “favor or disfavor incumbents or other particular candidates or political parties.” That line now in the State Constitution would appear to specifically make a justiciable question out of what the Supreme Court has said is not a justiciable question under the federal Constitution (which does not contain such a provision). The dissents in the Court of Appeals tried to argue that in ruling the legislature’s map too partisan the court was merely issuing an advisory opinion. But the problem they have is that, if the court can’t rule on this, then the constitutional provision has no meaning.

Final result: it looks like the state Supreme Court, with the help of a special master, is going to do the redistricting in New York this year. The Democrats had a very strong hand, but they over-played it.