Team Super Training: Johnnie Jackson is Scared of The Rhino!

[mass 04]

Yes Mars, once our Jack gets his blood pressure medication issue under control, he will be back to his old form.

Rumor has it, his bp was measured by Jim Quinn at Gold's Gym at 200/90 the same day Flex Wheeler's bodyfat was 0.0%.

[kyomu]

About squat,There is big diference in the form(not only stance).
Stans way is like powerlifting and doesnt look like bbing squat.
Ronnies bench looks like isolating pecs more than Stans bench which he struggle only for lifting.

Overall, I see ronnie is more powerful than this guy.

[bodybuilder1234]

About squat,There is big diference in the form(not only stance).
Stans way is like powerlifting and doesnt look like bbing squat.
Ronnies bench looks like isolating pecs more than Stans bench which he struggle only for lifting.

Overall, I see ronnie is more powerful than this guy.

stan's squat was feet wide apart and was struggling hard
Ronnie seemed to do those reps pretty quickly with his feet closer

[Fatpanda]

there is 1 sound the rhino will become very familiar with soon.................

POP !

that is all.

[hangclean]

The only reason Stan is not allowed to do this contest is that he is not a Muscletech sponsored athlete.  He would crush those two in any of the three lifts.

[SAMSON123]

 

Stan trained as a powerlifter for some years and now is in the bB circle. I think it is a little arrogant to start calling people out claiming to be stronger, when the goals, diet, training etc of BB and powerlifting are entirely different.

Without question looking at this video Ronnie Coleman is still the strongest ever. Ronnie squats alone (a sign of confidence in his strength adn form) while Stan has about six people helping him, Ronnie deadlifted 805 just a few weeks before the Olympia (meaning he was on a calorie restricted diet and would therefore not be as strong), Ronnie also has a better bench hand position that shows more brute strength than Stan who uses a powerlifters hand stance and a powerlifters squat stance, both of which are designed to minimize a competitors range of motion. If Stan had to do a foot stance like Ronnie he would never have been able to squat that weight and if asked to deadlift with the same stance as Ronnie a few weeks before a BB contest he would say NO WAY!. So it is obvious who the REAL STRONGEST BODYBUILDER IS.

And remember Ronnie is making a COMEBACK!!!!

So while a little rivalry can be fun...I think this calling people out of people when the criteria is not uniform is more than UNFAIR...

[hangclean]

Stan trained as a powerlifter for some years and now is in the bB circle. I think it is a little arrogant to start calling people out claiming to be stronger, when the goals, diet, training etc of BB and powerlifting are entirely different.

Without question looking at this video Ronnie Coleman is still the strongest ever. Ronnie squats alone (a sign of confidence in his strength adn form) while Stan has about six people helping him, Ronnie deadlifted 805 just a few weeks before the Olympia (meaning he was on a calorie restricted diet and would therefore not be as strong), Ronnie also has a better bench hand position that shows more brute strength than Stan who uses a powerlifters hand stance and a powerlifters squat stance, both of which are designed to minimize a competitors range of motion. If Stan had to do a foot stance like Ronnie he would never have been able to squat that weight and if asked to deadlift with the same stance as Ronnie a few weeks before a BB contest he would say NO WAY!. So it is obvious who the REAL STRONGEST BODYBUILDER IS.

And remember Ronnie is making a COMEBACK!!!!

So while a little rivalry can be fun...I think this calling people out of people when the criteria is not uniform is more than UNFAIR...

Dont forget, Ronnie was wearing a squat suit when he did his 800 squat.  He also used straps on the deadlift.

[YoungBlood]

Samson123, while you make excellent points, what would you say should the question be posed as...

Stan, Johnnie and Ben have all had those training techniques and such available to them. Ronnie could just as easily widen his squat stance, Stan choose to have less people around him, and Ben could use a PL'er grip to bench with as well.

On an even playing field where many of the factors are minimized, do you still think it's unfair that Stan is calling these guys out?

P.S. Ronnie started as a powerlifter too. Johnnie Jackson does powerlifter meets, and I think Ben White has done a few PL'ing meets as well.

[WiseGuy]

Stan trained as a powerlifter for some years and now is in the bB circle. I think it is a little arrogant to start calling people out claiming to be stronger, when the goals, diet, training etc of BB and powerlifting are entirely different.

Without question looking at this video Ronnie Coleman is still the strongest ever. Ronnie squats alone (a sign of confidence in his strength adn form) while Stan has about six people helping him, Ronnie deadlifted 805 just a few weeks before the Olympia (meaning he was on a calorie restricted diet and would therefore not be as strong), Ronnie also has a better bench hand position that shows more brute strength than Stan who uses a powerlifters hand stance and a powerlifters squat stance, both of which are designed to minimize a competitors range of motion. If Stan had to do a foot stance like Ronnie he would never have been able to squat that weight and if asked to deadlift with the same stance as Ronnie a few weeks before a BB contest he would say NO WAY!. So it is obvious who the REAL STRONGEST BODYBUILDER IS.

And remember Ronnie is making a COMEBACK!!!!

So while a little rivalry can be fun...I think this calling people out of people when the criteria is not uniform is more than UNFAIR...

100% agree and how many Mr Olympias has this guy won?

oh yeah... NONE
 
 

[mesmorph78]

Super strong
but hes comparing lifts to ronnie coleman WORKOUT lifts....
not trying to max lifts.... 800lb sdquats aside..
he is a competing powerlifter.... ronnie at that time not a competing powerlifter...doing monster weiight at sub 10% bf...plus ronnie is all round dtrong not 3 lift strong front squats 585.. rows with 495 after deads with 800..
i think he should have left ronnie out of his call out video
but i do think he can smoke johnnie lifting wise

[DroppingPlates]

He's a very strong and ugly powerbuilder.

Too much powerlifting screws a good psysique.

[Per Se]

About squat,There is big diference in the form(not only stance).
Stans way is like powerlifting and doesnt look like bbing squat.
Ronnies bench looks like isolating pecs more than Stans bench which he struggle only for lifting.

Overall, I see ronnie is more powerful than this guy.

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[SAMSON123]

YoungBlood said link=topic=296445.msg4231601#msg4231601 date=1252008672]
Samson123, while you make excellent points, what would you say should the question be posed as...

THank you

Stan, Johnnie and Ben have all had those training techniques and such available to them. Ronnie could just as easily widen his squat stance, Stan choose to have less people around him, and Ben could use a PL'er grip to bench with as well.

THe only issue that still stand is the form and technique differences can not instantly be adapted...meaning Ronnie can not just all of a sudden widen his stance and squat like a powerlifter without training like that for some time to get used to that new position. I tried a wide stance once with a friend who trains las a powerlifter and I swear just one rep of squats with my legs far apart felt  like I had cracked my ass in half. I went back to my regular stance...

On an even playing field where many of the factors are minimized, do you still think it's unfair that Stan is calling these guys out?

In powerlifting in general the competitors do not call one another out. In strongman contest like Worlds Strongest man, they often encourage each other ....EVEN DURING THE COMPETITIONS. Only in BB do they really CALL OUT... I guess if all were the same and Ronnie, JJ, and Ben were all powerlifters I would have less issue with it, but I think Stan feels he has the upper hand in this case and a little cockines is on display.

P.S. Ronnie started as a powerlifter too. Johnnie Jackson does powerlifter meets, and I think Ben White has done a few PL'ing meets as well.

Well I know Ronnie was a football player for a while and has some PL experience, but he did not continue it...nonetheless he is still a formidable force of strenght. Johnnie i know does PL...I have never seen any of his competitions but the experience works in his favor. Ben I saw in a bench video was AWESOME...he was moving either five or six plates like it was one plate...this guy is a force to reckon with.

[Man of Steel]

Lots of nonsense negroid music in that clip.

[TechnoViking]

This guy better watch his back or the real "RHINO" will go sleep with his wife...

[Mars]

he besmurges the good name of the real rhino Jack London.

[Palpatine Q]

Calling out Ronnie was a bit silly.

Ron is right there with this guy strength wise, but as BBer's Stan isn't even on the same planet as Big Ron, never mind the same league.

Seems like a real cool guy though.

Let's not forget that Stan is a 6 foot something, big boned ox as well. he should be stronger than these guys

[gordiano]

Pretty impressive. STRONG MOTHA...no doubt.

[Mars]

branch is much stronger and doesnt brag about it like stan does.

[TechnoViking]

This Stan Rhino impersonator walks like a fucking jack ass...Even King Kamali with his severe ILS disapproves of his walk...

[KevinP85]

Super strong
but hes comparing lifts to ronnie coleman WORKOUT lifts....
not trying to max lifts.... 800lb sdquats aside..
he is a competing powerlifter.... ronnie at that time not a competing powerlifter...doing monster weiight at sub 10% bf...plus ronnie is all round dtrong not 3 lift strong front squats 585.. rows with 495 after deads with 800..
i think he should have left ronnie out of his call out video
but i do think he can smoke johnnie lifting wise

Agree, I've seen Ronnie train numerous times. He is VERY STRONG. People are forgetting Ronnie does not train powerlifting style. He trains bbing lifting wise. He might have when he was younger, but for the most part he does not max out on his lifts, mostly doing reps as seen in his vids. Ronnie at 5 weeks out or even 2 weeks out he still lifts ridiculous weights. The only bber that can probably take Ronnie on bench is probably Levrone. Not Branch, Johnnie, Cormier, etc... I can only imagine if he dedicated full time to powerlifting.

Fact is like others have said comparing Ronnie is unfair, IMO Ronnie would wipe the floor with this guy strength, and physique. Now Johnnie and Ben, I am sure he's stronger.

[Parker]

Calling out Ronnie was a bit silly.

Ron is right there with this guy strength wise, but as BBer's Stan isn't even on the same planet as Big Ron, never mind the same league.

Seems like a real cool guy though.

Let's not forget that Stan is a 6 foot something, big boned ox as well. he should be stronger than these guys

It is, but imagine if Ronnie took it seriously and decide to instead of walking around like a huge pudding pop wit big arms, he he got back into shape put to bed any strength doubts...As if his Unbelieveable vid didn't do that already.

But it shows that Stan actually has something to prove and has benchmarked certain bbers, like Lexus has done with Merc and BMW.

[KevinP85]

It is, but imagine if Ronnie took it seriously and decide to instead of walking around like a huge pudding pop wit big arms, he he got back into shape put to bed any strength doubts...As if his Unbelieveable vid didn't do that already.

But it shows that Stan actually has something to prove and has benchmarked certain bbers, like Lexus has done with Merc and BMW.

Yet BMW and MB should benchmark Lexus on reliability, and after how many years they still haven't. They have gotten better, but still cannot compare.

[Mars]

these guys are named after cars?

[KevinP85]

these guys are named after cars?

More like a Kia, or Ford Pinto.