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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2009, 11:45:12 AM »
Here you go you fucking retard
http://www.serostim.com/assets/base/Serostim/pfd/PatientBrochureMarch21st2006FINAL.pdf

Since 1mg is 3iu, the doctor will prescribe either 12, 15 or 18iu shot in a single injection at bedtime!

I've read many times that your body, for an adult in their 30's doesn't even produce 2ius naturally, why would Sero recommend minimum of 12ius? Is this dose for children that suffer from Dwarfism or to treat some kind of medical condition? I thought replacement was 2ius? Even gh15 said that 15ius is when a bodybuilder starts to go to the extreme.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2009, 11:45:31 AM »
gh reducing the ability to form glycogen and metabolize glucose is basic metabolic information. it inhibits glucose uptake and negatively impacts glycogen synthesis capability in mmuscle.


as for effects on fiber type=

In addition to the potentially detrimental derangements in glucose metabolism mentioned above, GH administration in humans has been shown to induce a shift in muscle fiber type from type 2a to 2x (9, 10). The latter has been characterized as the “default” fiber type since the proportion of 2x fibers to type1 and type 2a is relatively high in “couch potatoes” compared to strength and power athletes. Resistance training induces a shift in the opposite direction from type 2x to 2a. During detraining, the muscle fiber type shifts back to 2x. The training induced shift is interpreted as an adaptive mechanism to the increased demands placed upon the muscle. If GH administration induces a shift in muscle fiber type away from the trained state, this could have negative implications for strength and power athletes.

(9) Hennessey JV, Chromiak JA, DellaVentura S, Reinert SE, Puhl J, Kiel DP, Rosen CJ, Vandenburgh H, MacLean DB. Growth hormone administration and exercise effects on muscle fiber type and diameter in moderately frail older people. J Am Geriatr Soc. 2001 Jul;49(7):852-8.

(10) Lange KH, Andersen JL, Beyer N, Isaksson F, Larsson B, Rasmussen MH, Juul A, Bulow J, Kjaer M. GH administration changes myosin heavy chain isoforms in skeletal muscle but does not augment muscle strength or hypertrophy, either alone or combined with resistance exercise training in healthy elderly men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Feb;87(2):513-23



as for effects on body compositiuon and strength=

Deyssig et al (5) conducted a similar study in trained power athletes. One group was given rhGH at 0.09 U/kgBW day while another was given placebo. Both groups participated in a resistance training program for six weeks. At the end of the study period changes in strength and body composition were measured in both groups. Again there was no difference between the two groups in the parameters measured. The authors concluded that GH treatment had no effect on strength or body composition in highly trained strength athletes.

(5) Deyssig R, Frisch H, Blum WF, Waldhor T. Effect of growth hormone treatment on hormonal parameters, body composition and strength in athletes. Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1993 Apr;128(4):313-8.



to conclude=

The results of studies of muscle protein synthesis, body composition, and strength in healthy young to middle aged humans tell a different tale: so far no robust, credible study has been able to show clear effects of either medium to long term rhGH administration, alone or in combination with a variety of training protocols or anabolic steroids, on muscle protein synthesis, mass or strength.

(7) Rennie MJ.Claims for the anabolic effects of growth hormone: a case of the emperor's new clothes? Br J Sports Med. 2003 Apr;37(2):100-5.




all of this taken directly out of karl hoffman ("nandi" on the forums) article "recombinant growth hormone and the athlete"... which can be found here http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/karl_hoffman/growth_hormone_athlete

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2009, 11:56:43 AM »
I've read many times that your body, for an adult in their 30's doesn't even produce 2ius naturally, why would Sero recommend minimum of 12ius? Is this dose for children that suffer from Dwarfism or to treat some kind of medical condition? I thought replacement was 2ius? Even gh15 said that 15ius is when a bodybuilder starts to go to the extreme.

This is for HIV wasting only.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2009, 11:59:38 AM »
You just don't get it. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm saying your recommendations and reasonings aren't "accepted by the medical community". You simply will not find any consensus in the medical community where everyone says GH works best when the dosage is split up or that it has to be injected when BG and insulin is low to reap the benefits. I have not seen any data where it's even proposed GH maybe should be injected in essentially a fasted state for it to "work" for anything. Now I haven't read everything which is why I've asked you to back up your theories with data I've perhaps missed, but now I see it's useless to ask and I'm pretty sure it's because you don't have any data.

I actually believe the main reason for Serono to seek approval for such dosages is money. It's an expensive product and the more the patients use the more money Serono makes. In fact, at no dosage has it been shown to increase actual skeletal muscle protein i.e. muscle. Lean body mass, yes. Which is to say the patients retain water and organ weight increases.

damn van ... now u dont even like what u post (16iu at one shot ... that is the Broucher/pamphlet research that u claimed that will show that I don’t know shit) ... so what do u really want to do ...

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2009, 12:07:19 PM »
damn van ... now u dont even like what u post (16iu at one shot ... that is the Broucher/pamphlet research that u claimed that will show that I don’t know shit) ... so what do u really want to do ...
wtf  ???

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You just don't get it. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm saying your recommendations and reasonings aren't "accepted by the medical community".

Read it again and again until it sinks in.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2009, 12:08:32 PM »
Whoever wrote that article doesn't know shit.

Regarding HIV patients and GH.  They are instructed to take the FULL VIAL of GH once it is constituted.  And refering to taking 16ius at once is simply retarded because in HIV treatment the doseage per day is for MGS.  Not IUs.

A Serostim 6mg vials will yield a total of 6mg for the patient whether it is mixed with 10ius of water or 100ius.  IUs don't mean jackshit.  Strength is determined by MGs.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2009, 12:12:57 PM »
And refering to taking 16ius at once is simply retarded because in HIV treatment the doseage per day is for MGS.  Not IUs.

A Serostim 6mg vials will yield a total of 6mg for the patient whether it is mixed with 10ius of water or 100ius.  IUs don't mean jackshit.  Strength is determined by MGs.

You are a bit off base here. 1mg of GH is 3iu. You can use either measure.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2009, 03:55:28 PM »
i study I don’t hate bbers … I say that what has happened up to now was due to what bbers did or didn’t … they are the propel who make the federations run … so they have to have the power to either let the federation rise of fall … but they all decided to back stab each other and not be one hand cause they acted with greed and didn’t stand for what’s right

I try so hard to get in the industry!!! When … I do what I do … people come to me … I didn’t go to anyone to train him or offer him help … plus I know a lot of people in the industry due to my personal effort … no one helped me to reach where I am … it was all god’s blessing and personal hard work … I like to learn and I excelled in what I do more than most of the people who were in the sport for much longer …

I am not throwing crap at anyone … I am just stating facts … bbers should not allowed what happened to happen again … but it will again and again and again

U people take it to personal and get blinded with ur grudge … so it is up to … if u think properly … u will understand my point of view


oh i fully understand u now.u r one of those self righteous who think everyone need u and u dont need anyone.dont feel so proud if people are approaching u.think its a blessing and try to help them if u can without throwing crap on them.Most of people u work with dont have anything nice to say about u.that is not a good start.



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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2009, 03:58:39 PM »
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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #59 on: September 10, 2009, 04:41:12 PM »
oh i fully understand u now.u r one of those self righteous who think everyone need u and u dont need anyone.dont feel so proud if people are approaching u.think its a blessing and try to help them if u can without throwing crap on them.Most of people u work with dont have anything nice to say about u.that is not a good start.




i didnt say everyone needs me ... u said i am trying hard to be in teh industry ... so i wanted to show my my status ... i am not trying to make anyone happy to get in or stay in a federation ... i am a free lancer who do whatever i want

name one who worked with me and doesn’t have anything nice to say about me ... and i will tell u y ... u don't even know half of the people that i train ... u know only the people that i posted here ... i still have  lot of people that i work wiht but cant mention due to their contractual obligations ... or forced agreements with their federations coach ... i didnt treat anyone bad ... but when someone acts cocky ... i strike back ... i still dont get it y r u so hostel ... i didnt say anything bad abt u ...

I helped a lot of people and u know it was never for the money … I give away so many info in my article and on the boards & even to people that I don’t know … I am not Cocky … but am with people who are so … u balme the previuous federation … as a lot of people got screwed a lot got rewarded … unrightfully or not this is what happened … and it will continue happening … what makes u think there aren’t others like (u know who ) with the same attitude … I am saying bbers should have a union of their own and fight for their rights and not let officials take over the control of the constitution & decisions

 

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2009, 05:04:41 PM »
19" arms hahahahha what is that Long??Show a pic of those massive 19" pipes with a tape.I know you are a short Fat guy but not sure even your fat arms measure 19".I have one question for you how much Money do make out of selling Illegal Drugs???.You Gurus a Fucking Dangerous.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2009, 05:13:48 PM »
Next time you write an article make sure you preface it with "I just pulled this straight from my rectum.  Read on if you like shitty articles."

Sorry, but there is no scientific basis for any of the dosing protocols you state, it's just your opinion, nothing more.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2009, 05:27:46 PM »
Next time you write an article make sure you preface it with "I just pulled this straight from my rectum.  Read on if you like shitty articles."

Sorry, but there is no scientific basis for any of the dosing protocols you state, it's just your opinion, nothing more.

cause everything that is done in sports medicine is actually backed up by scientific approvals
19" arms hahahahha what is that Long??Show a pic of those massive 19" pipes with a tape.I know you are a short Fat guy but not sure even your fat arms measure 19".I have one question for you how much Money do make out of selling Illegal Drugs???.You Gurus a Fucking Dangerous.

i did post them ... but i wont this time ... so do ur homework

wtf  ???

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Read it again and again until it sinks in.

i know ... i am saying u didnt approve my recommendation nor what u posted ... so what is up with u ... maybe u dont even approve ur own existence  ;D great job man ... u r realy smart and very well knowledged in teh sport ... i am sre u r a pro bber who knows everything and has an opinion about everyone else's opinion ... and some times even wiht his own opinion ... so i am sure that is when u face teh mirror and talk back to ur self ...


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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2009, 05:31:10 PM »
And with regards to the Illegal Drug selling and money making question your answer would be...................... ...........

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2009, 05:32:02 PM »
cause everything that is done in sports medicine is actually backed up by scientific approvals

Post the specific scientific studies you used as reference for this article.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2009, 05:39:55 PM »
And with regards to the Illegal Drug selling and money making question your answer would be...................... ...........


The 5th amendment


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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2009, 05:43:51 PM »

The 5th amendment



                   I hope you Don't keep paper work.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2009, 06:21:43 PM »
Ali, what are sides of GH use?  Doesn't it enlarge the internal organs and lengthen the bones in a bad way?  Also what about the GH gut that a lot of bodybuilders have?

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2009, 06:51:54 PM »
Ali have you even used HGH yourself? i bet you are too much of a pussy to use it, you just sell it to the bodybuilders you call retards ::)

your best friend Chan is in court today, hope he gets a well deserved prison sentance, but perhaps he will use your line and say its not his fault because the bodybuilders are retarded and stupid so they are the ones to blame ::)

How will the bodybuilders that use your "services" feel about being called retards?
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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2009, 07:34:23 PM »
all this ridiculous drama because some "grown up" men need to inject substances in their bodies due to their psychological insecurities , main one being "feeling small" ...

I dont even know where to start with this thread. Human mind is fascinating.

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2009, 08:13:30 PM »
Is Ali a dealer ?  ???

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2009, 12:26:57 AM »
Is Ali a dealer ?  ???

that and a schmoe
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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2009, 01:30:26 AM »
that and a schmoe
Whats with his name, Ali A Mini ..is this somthing to do with his endowment?  ???

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2009, 03:15:21 AM »
You are a bit off base here. 1mg of GH is 3iu. You can use either measure.

Isn't an iu simply a measure of the amount of liquid? Say, you get a vial with 1 gram of HGH and then add 6 ius of Bac water wouldn't that mean that 3ius = .5 gram HGH?

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Re: I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2009, 03:20:59 AM »
I said it millions of times … I don’t sell the stuff even though it is not illegal here … I recommend certain brands cause they are good … being a dealer requires u to go to other countries buy and resell … do I look like a guy who has that much time!!!

Amini is pronounced (Ameenee) that is my last name

Ali have you even used HGH yourself? i bet you are too much of a pussy to use it, you just sell it to the bodybuilders you call retards ::)

your best friend Chan is in court today, hope he gets a well deserved prison sentance, but perhaps he will use your line and say its not his fault because the bodybuilders are retarded and stupid so they are the ones to blame ::)

How will the bodybuilders that use your "services" feel about being called retards?


what makes u think he is the only one who deserves that ... a lot of other officials should undergo teh same investigation