I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH

[pellius]

So Ali, what do you think of Blue tops and why does the color of the cap have anything to do with the quality of the product? (Serious question because can't you put any color top on a vial?)

[WillGrant]

I said it millions of times … I don’t sell the stuff even though it is not illegal here … I recommend certain brands cause they are good … being a dealer requires u to go to other countries buy and resell … do I look like a guy who has that much time!!!

Amini is pronounced (Ameenee) that is my last name

Oh I understand now 
Where are you from? egypt ?

[gzhout]

i read the article bro...great stuff indeed 

just no need to listen to the haters...lots of them who dont even know the difference between a dumbell and a barbell 

i any case, results of world class champs that came out from teh coaching of THE GAME is teh real proof.

[aliamini]

So Ali, what do you think of Blue tops and why does the color of the cap have anything to do with the quality of the product? (Serious question because can't you put any color top on a vial?)

Color of the top is irrelevant ... however each company can set his own standard in that regard

Oh I understand now 
Where are you from? egypt ?

noi am from Bahrain

i read the article bro...great stuff indeed 

just no need to listen to the haters...lots of them who dont even know the difference between a dumbell and a barbell 

i any case, results of world class champs that came out from teh coaching of THE GAME is teh real proof.

Thanx Gus … appreciate ur support

[Van_Bilderass]

Isn't an iu simply a measure of the amount of liquid? Say, you get a vial with 1 gram of HGH and then add 6 ius of Bac water wouldn't that mean that 3ius = .5 gram HGH?

Please say you have never used GH before! 

No, that's wrong. Water can't be measured in international units. You're probably thinking of the unit markings on an insulin syringe. That's for standard 100iu/mL insulin e.g. .25mL insulin/25iu.

One mg of GH is approximately 3iu. For example see Genotropin hGH drug description:

GENOTROPIN 5 mg is dispensed in a two-chamber cartridge. The front chamber contains recombinant somatropin 5.8 mg (approximately 17.4 IU),

[Van_Bilderass]

… being a dealer requires u to go to other countries buy and resell … do I look like a guy who has that much time!!!

It does not require that at all. You have mentioned you have drug contacts in various countries. Even if you never touch the product you can be a drug dealer by proxy. No need to elaborate how one can make money by putting customer and dealer in touch.

[YoungBlood]

name one who worked with me and doesn’t have anything nice to say about me ... and i will tell u y ...

I remember a really good and juicy thread between you and Sami the Blacksmith quite a few years ago, here on GetBig. It was a real cat fight, he said she said type of deal.
I wish I could find that again...

[uberman09]

epic backpedaling after bragging about being a dealer/guru hahaha.

[aliamini]

epic backpedaling after bragging about being a dealer/guru hahaha.

once u r able to differenciate betweena dn deeler and a guru ... u will get my point ... drug dealers are risk taker outlaws ... gurus are 2 legit 2 quit 

[LurkerNoMore]

You are a bit off base here. 1mg of GH is 3iu. You can use either measure.

Incorrect.  IU is for volume measurement, not strength.

If you had 1mg of GH and constituted it with 3ius of water, then 3ius = 1mg.

Take that same 1mg of GH and constitute it with 50ius of water and how much of 1mg does the 3ius now equal?

[Schmoe Buster]

Ali is Swampi the cocksmiths dealer

[Mr Nobody]

Ali is Swampi the cocksmiths dealer

We havent heard from Swampi in a while?

[Schmoe Buster]

We havent heard from Swampi in a while?

Swampi was run off of getbig when he found out that nobody accept Team Nasshole were going to schmoe for him

[Mr Nobody]

Swampi was run off of getbig when he found out that nobody accept Team Nasshole were going to schmoe for him

Yea understood

[Nasty Nate]

I gotta be honest ali, you sounded like you had no idea what you were talking about on Heavy Muscle Radio. When Dave was asking you about your theories you couldn't even give him a solid answer and it came off like you were just trying to make shit up on the spot with bro-science.

[pellius]

Please say you have never used GH before! 

No, that's wrong. Water can't be measured in international units. You're probably thinking of the unit markings on an insulin syringe. That's for standard 100iu/mL insulin e.g. .25mL insulin/25iu.

One mg of GH is approximately 3iu. For example see Genotropin hGH drug description:

Well, I haven't use HGH but isn't the unit marking on an insulin syringe a measure of the amount of liquid? If 100iu is equal to 1 ml/cc isn't that a measure of the amount of liquid? Say you had a vial of dry powder containing 3mg of HGH and when you reconstitute it you use 100ius of bac water. When you draw out 3 ius will you still get 1 gram of HGH?
 

[pellius]

Incorrect.  IU is for volume measurement, not strength.

If you had 1mg of GH and constituted it with 3ius of water, then 3ius = 1mg.

Take that same 1mg of GH and constitute it with 50ius of water and how much of 1mg does the 3ius now equal?

Sorry, I didn't see your post before I made mine. A friend of mine who is very sensitive to the sun take some product called melatonan or something like that. It comes in 5mg vials and it recommends that you take 1mg, 20ius. Now the 20ius is contingent on following the instructions of reconstituting with 100ius of bac water. Now my friend use 50iu insulin syringes (.5 ml) because that's all that's available locally). For the sake of convenience he just reconstitutes with 50 ius (doesn't want to go through the trouble of injecting twice in the vial) and simply takes 10ius to get the 1mg dose.

[Van_Bilderass]

Incorrect.  IU is for volume measurement, not strength.

If you had 1mg of GH and constituted it with 3ius of water, then 3ius = 1mg.

Take that same 1mg of GH and constitute it with 50ius of water and how much of 1mg does the 3ius now equal?

Nope, you are absolutely and completely wrong. Please tell me how much 1IU of water is. Where did you get the idea that it's a volume measurement? Actually, I'm pretty sure where. Reading an insulin syringe. This is really elementary knowledge and you have no business doing GH and especially insulin if you don't understand this.

The precise definition of one IU differs from substance to substance and is established by international agreement for each substance. There is no equivalence among different substances; for instance, one IU of vitamin E does not contain the same number of milligrams as one IU of vitamin A.

For example:

Insulin: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of about 45.5 μg pure crystalline insulin (1/22 mg exactly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_unit

How do you think a 1500IU vs a 2500IU hCG amp differs? The amount of water for reconstitution differs? No. The amount of hormone in the amp differs.

Well, I haven't use HGH but isn't the unit marking on an insulin syringe a measure of the amount of liquid? If 100iu is equal to 1 ml/cc isn't that a measure of the amount of liquid? Say you had a vial of dry powder containing 3mg of HGH and when you reconstitute it you use 100ius of bac water. When you draw out 3 ius will you still get 1 gram of HGH?
 

Well, you wouldn't get the same amount of GH per cc if the amount of water differs. Obviously. However, the IU  is not a amount of liquid measurement. 100IU of insulin just happens to correspond to 1mL/cc since that's how it's made. This only applies to insulin.

[Van_Bilderass]

Sorry, I didn't see your post before I made mine. A friend of mine who is very sensitive to the sun take some product called melatonan or something like that. It comes in 5mg vials and it recommends that you take 1mg, 20ius. Now the 20ius is contingent on following the instructions of reconstituting with 100ius of bac water. Now my friend use 50iu insulin syringes (.5 ml) because that's all that's available locally). For the sake of convenience he just reconstitutes with 50 ius (doesn't want to go through the trouble of injecting twice in the vial) and simply takes 10ius to get the 1mg dose.

Yes, he will get the right dosage that way. IUs is still not a volume measurement. It's just the amount of insulin that the insulin syringe says is per cc/mL.

Anyway, the wikipedia link I posted should clear up any confusion.  

[tbombz]

lol. yup iu on a slin pin refers to the amoutn of insulin in that much volume of humalog (or whatever slin your using)

with gh its different. you have 1 mg of gh dry powder. in that 1 mg, you have 3 iu's of gh. you can put "1 iu" of water. and now you have 3 iu of gh in every 1 iu measurement. or you could put "30iu's" water and now you have .1iu gh in every 1 iu measurement.

get it?

[ManBearPig...]

i take 5 iu's of creatine.

[Emmortal]

I'm still waiting on the specific scientific studies that were used as reference for this article.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm still waiting on the specific scientific studies that were used as reference for this article.

r u a h8er too?

[pellius]

lol. yup iu on a slin pin refers to the amoutn of insulin in that much volume of humalog (or whatever slin your using)

with gh its different. you have 1 mg of gh dry powder. in that 1 mg, you have 3 iu's of gh. you can put "1 iu" of water. and now you have 3 iu of gh in every 1 iu measurement. or you could put "30iu's" water and now you have .1iu gh in every 1 iu measurement.

get it?

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me but Van is a smart guy so I feel like I'm missing something here. He wants to know how much one IU of water is, well, isn't it the first tick on an insulin pin? Now if HGH came pre-mixed and it was 1mg for 3 units then I get it. Just like the example you gave with slin. But it doesn't. HGH has to be reconstituted with water. So the amount of water will determine the concentration.
 

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me but Van is a smart guy so I feel like I'm missing something here. He wants to know how much one IU of water is, well, isn't it the first tick on an insulin pin? Now if HGH came pre-mixed and it was 1mg for 3 units then I get it. Just like the example you gave with slin. But it doesn't. HGH has to be reconstituted with water. So the amount of water will determine the concentration.
 

You're right in what you say. 1IU is the first tic on an insulin pin. But you can draw up the water with any type of syringe. My long winded attempted explanation started after Lurker said IU is a volume measurement and that HIV+ patients don't use 16IUs of hGH. There is no such thing as 1IU of water since IU is an internationally agreed upon measurement of drugs, vitamins, etc and it differs between substances. True, you can pull up "1IU" of water on an insulin pin but that IU is supposed to say how much insulin you're taking, not how much water you're injecting. If you say you injected 20IU of water it's a meaningless statement unless you qualify it by saying that you were talking about the ticks on an insulin syringe.

Am I making any sense  

See the guy's post

Regarding HIV patients and GH.  They are instructed to take the FULL VIAL of GH once it is constituted.  And refering to taking 16ius at once is simply retarded because in HIV treatment the doseage per day is for MGS.  Not IUs.

A Serostim 6mg vials will yield a total of 6mg for the patient whether it is mixed with 10ius of water or 100ius.  IUs don't mean jackshit.  Strength is determined by MGs.

If I say I'm taking 10IU of hGH it means 3.3mg of hGH. Has nothing to do with the amount of water. See how wrong Lurker is. Both IU and mg can be used, like I said:

Serostim® [somatropin (rDNA origin) for injection] is available in the following forms:
Serostim® vials containing 5 mg (approximately 15 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with Sterile Water
for Injection, USP. Package of 7 vials. ...NDC 44087-0005-7
Serostim® vials containing 6 mg (approximately 18 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with Sterile Water
for Injection, USP. Package of 7 vials. ...NDC 44087-0006-7
Serostim® vials containing 4 mg (approximately 12 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with Bacteriostatic
Water for Injection, USP (0.9% Benzyl Alcohol). Package of 7 vials. ........................ .................NDC 44087-0004-7
Serostim® vials containing 8.8 mg (approximately 26.4 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with
Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP (0.9% Benzyl Alcohol). Package of 4 vials. ..........NDC 44087-