oldie but goodie

[Eric15210]

Milton Friedman lays the smack down on Donahue

[Hugo Chavez]

Milton Friedman lays the smack down on Donahue

Donahue is weak.  Pilger would have had him crying and speechless.  Several things Donahue could have talked about but didn't.

[Bindare_Dundat]

  Several things Donahue could have talked about but didn't.

What did you have in mind?

[Hugo Chavez]

What did you have in mind?

Main thing I see wrong with what he said is where he mentions that these other systems are usually the ones failing miserably.  That's the prize to his case here, despite going off on bullshit like Hitler.  That's a bad freaking example, it wouldn't have mattered what Hitler employed for a system.  What he doesn't mention is the colossal lengths gone to in the last century and this century to make sure any other system didn't and won't succeed in these other countries.  Had Donahue known his shit, he could have pounced on that and taken the wind out of his argument.  Pilger would have destroyed him.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Main thing I see wrong with what he said is where he mentions that these other systems are usually the ones failing miserably.  That's the prize to his case here, despite going off on bullshit like Hitler.  That's a bad freaking example, it wouldn't have mattered what Hitler employed for a system.  What he doesn't mention is the colossal lengths gone to in the last century and this century to make sure any other system didn't and won't succeed in these other countries.  Had Donahue known his shit, he could have pounced on that and taken the wind out of his argument.  Pilger would have destroyed him.

So basically what you are saying is that capitalism isn't so shit hot but only looks like a good alternative to everything else because there has been some outside form of manipulation in the other systems to make them look bad. Am I close?

[Hugo Chavez]

So basically what you are saying is that capitalism isn't so shit hot but only looks like a good alternative to everything because there has been some outside form of manipulation in the other systems to make them look bad. Am I close?

I'm not anti-capalist.  I really don't like capitalism without rules and I don't like a government for and by the corporations and their vision of capitalism.  I know that's your thing, the neoliberal / libertarian approach to the rich and mega corporations, let them be free in every aspect possible.  My point is, I don't see the validity of holding up a history in your favor when we really don't know what the history for so many of these countries over the last century might have been like without that colossal effort to undermine any deviation that took place when they so much as started to look like they might stray from the path.  It would be like saying Tonya Harding was a better skater than Nancy Kerrigan.

and yes, when a country and it's people want to go socialist or left in some other way, you can expect they will not only have to fight what opposition may be in their own country, they'll have to deal to a much greater extent from outside threats.

[Bindare_Dundat]

You're being elusive in your statement regarding what specifically was the cause was for these other systems to fail? Could you be more clear on who/what was responsible for their failures or what's keeping them from thriving? could you give me a couple of examples?

[Bindare_Dundat]

I'm not anti-capalist.  I really don't like capitalism without rules and I don't like a government for and by the corporations and their vision of capitalism.  I know that's your thing, the neoliberal / libertarian approach to the rich and mega corporations, let them be free in every aspect possible. 

Free to fail is up there on the list.

[Hugo Chavez]

You're being elusive in your statement regarding what specifically was the cause was for these other systems to fail? Could you be more clear on who/what was responsible for their failures or what's keeping them from thriving? could you give me a couple of examples?

elusive is an accusation.  I did not intend to avoid.  Since i've posted so often and so long on what you're asking for, I didn't think I needed to give specifics.

surely you know our history of installing puppet dictators.  why do you think this happened most of the time?

General Smedley Butler:
"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....

"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_politics

CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup made in America"

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[Hugo Chavez]

Free to fail is up there on the list.

they're above that.  we're free to fail, they've to big to fail lol

[Hugo Chavez]

Operation Condor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

[Hugo Chavez]

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Part I

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Part II

[Hugo Chavez]

isn't this a contradiction?  He says China cannot continue its ways  He says "political freedom will result from economic freedom" when talking about China.  But then he also gives an example of the great economic success of Hong Kong where the people had no hope of political freedom.  Which is it Milton.