Author Topic: BB contests are fixed and it is all politics? Come on! (Read 11056 times)

pumpster · « **Reply #100 on:** September 14, 2009, 12:03:41 PM »

Most here make the big mistake of thinking in absolutes, that the shows are either fixed or not, while the truth is somewhere in between-various shows aren't fixed, consistent with what is being siad, but then there are the glaring examples where it's quite obvious the fix is in. Weider's no fool, knew that the fix had to be less than overt to allow the olympia to retain any degree of veracity. The truly dense ones here continue to expect overt proof of this when it would never have been allowed...duh!

One thing that has been completely ignored was Weider's penchant for excluding guys who could interfere with his plans-Oliva in '71, Schwarzie winning against no one, Nubret and Oliva in the late 70s when they take turns dominating Columbu and Zane in fair shows (as does Robinson in '78, check the video).

And of course the textbook debacle, the '81 Olympia..lol no one here can refute this even after plenty of effort to do just that.

Plenty of the top BBs from the late 70s and early 80s either left the IFBB, avoided the IFBB or retired because of the hijinks. The "sport" was seriously denuded of top talent in the years following Arnold's departure.

Essentially Weider's always felt that finding and sustaining a desirable good spokesman for the "sport" was important, a Haney or Yates in lieu of others as or more physically gifted but lacking in other departments. This was always keeping an eye on future mag and supplement sales, as opposed to enlivening the show with less predictability based on the actual appearance is that day. No Oliva or Nubret in the 70s, Szkalak leaves, Padilla, Mentzer, Robinson, Fox and Callendar get shafted in the placings, etc. but there's no politics...right!

Then there are some of the Yates years, when guys who worked harder and looked better didn't win.

An unofficial and substantive part of the winning criterion is actually the persona of the prospective winners, something like beauty contests though never acknowledged. This isn't mentioned but is clearly part of the equation. This coming straight from the mouth of a previous olympia winner.

Ron · « **Reply #101 on:** September 14, 2009, 12:08:04 PM »

Been very busy lately, which is good, both at work, and with the O coming up.

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why are there all these schmoe wanna be photographers taking pictures if the images they capture at the shows are not accurate? ron, the "you have to have been there" excuse is lame when outcomes are questioned.

Most are accurate, BUT, take one picture with someones stomach out, or not in the right pose, and you can manipulate what a person sees. But if you see dozens of the pics, then it is difference. I have had people argue that in the two or three pictures, this guy should never have won and it was fixed. But when I showed him other pics that I took, he saw it differently. Hence, get over it.

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Everyone knows who will win, someone with an AMI contract. Kai, Victor and Wolf have ZERO chance of winning.

Bull - no one cares if they have an AMI contract. Again, another quote without any proof whatsoever. If Victor Martinez or Kai Greene are going to be better at the contest, they will win. Simple as that.

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4 months before the olympia the flex month title is ''jay vs dex'' with an image of them staring each other down with the sandow in the middle.

Excellent, and on another magazine, they have Victor Martinez. It is called hype!

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Why is Ron into Bodybuilding?

Same reason some of you are into football? Or do you football fans like seeing guys bending over all the time... get over it already... jeez. You don't have to be a bodybuilder to be a fan of the sport. Same question for 15 years now.

WillGrant · « **Reply #102 on:** September 14, 2009, 04:50:09 PM »

Quote from: Ron on September 14, 2009, 12:08:04 PM

Same reason some of you are into football? Or do you football fans like seeing guys bending over all the time... get over it already... jeez. You don't have to be a bodybuilder to be a fan of the sport. Same question for 15 years now.

No way , football is a spectator sport bodybuilding is a cult type activity,two type of people are into it ,ones that train and ones that watch to get there jollies off

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #103 on:** September 14, 2009, 04:52:18 PM »

Quote from: WillGrant on September 14, 2009, 04:50:09 PM

No way , football is a spectator sport bodybuilding is a cult type activity,two type of people are into it ,ones that train and ones that watch to get there jollies off

wow, have fun with bodybuilding...dont be so strict all the sudden

WillGrant · « **Reply #104 on:** September 14, 2009, 04:54:12 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on September 14, 2009, 04:52:18 PM

wow, have fun with bodybuilding...dont be so strict all the sudden

Do you not find it strange that someone who doesnt work out and over eats is interested in looking at guys prance around in a thong and say they are into BB ?

WillGrant · « **Reply #105 on:** September 14, 2009, 05:06:06 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on September 14, 2009, 05:01:47 PM

hon i said it's no stranger...i don't live in the extremity

See im not into the extemity of bodybuilding anymore , the competing ..thats the extreme end..to me eating right and training setting your goals,bettering yourself etc is bodybuilding,but for someone to not even do that yet rush off to watch the extrem end of this activity then compare it to watching football is just weird in my eyes..

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #106 on:** September 14, 2009, 05:12:06 PM »

Quote from: WillGrant on September 14, 2009, 05:06:06 PM

See im not into the extemity of bodybuilding anymore , the competing ..thats the extreme end..to me eating right and training setting your goals,bettering yourself etc is bodybuilding,but for someone to not even do that yet rush off to watch the extrem end of this activity then compare it to watching football is just weird in my eyes..

lighten up, dont be so judgemental

Howard · « **Reply #107 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:04:13 PM »

Quote from: noworries on September 13, 2009, 08:18:16 PM

How do explain Arnold winning. And you mention money isn't a big thing. But, the sponsors pay alot of money to the IFBB to sponsor shows. Do you think they would continue to throw money at them for the big contests if their sponsored BB's don't ever win.

He won the 1980 the same way he won the recall election for GOV of California!
He is Arnold ,and Platz said Arnold just "took over" and got all the buzz when he showed up for the 1980 Olympia.
Plus he still had just enough of his old Olympia physique to pull it off.
I honesly belive that the promoters and sponsers only care about having a big draw event with lots of hype and guys in great shape on stage. I doubt the "who wins factor" is bigger than the bottom line $$$ from ticket sales and media coverage, etc

Albert Schmidt · « **Reply #108 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:26:29 PM »

Arnold never cashed that cheque.Now that sure helps the promoter.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #109 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:32:50 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on September 14, 2009, 12:03:41 PM

Most here make the big mistake of thinking in absolutes, that the shows are either fixed or not, while the truth is somewhere in between-various shows aren't fixed, consistent with what is being siad, but then there are the glaring examples where it's quite obvious the fix is in. Weider's no fool, knew that the fix had to be less than overt to allow the olympia to retain any degree of veracity. The truly dense ones here continue to expect overt proof of this when it would never have been allowed...duh!

One thing that has been completely ignored was Weider's penchant for excluding guys who could interfere with his plans-Oliva in '71, Schwarzie winning against no one, Nubret and Oliva in the late 70s when they take turns dominating Columbu and Zane in fair shows (as does Robinson in '78, check the video).

And of course the textbook debacle, the '81 Olympia..lol no one here can refute this even after plenty of effort to do just that.

Plenty of the top BBs from the late 70s and early 80s either left the IFBB, avoided the IFBB or retired because of the hijinks. The "sport" was seriously denuded of top talent in the years following Arnold's departure.

Essentially Weider's always felt that finding and sustaining a desirable good spokesman for the "sport" was important, a Haney or Yates in lieu of others as or more physically gifted but lacking in other departments. This was always keeping an eye on future mag and supplement sales, as opposed to enlivening the show with less predictability based on the actual appearance is that day. No Oliva or Nubret in the 70s, Szkalak leaves, Padilla, Mentzer, Robinson, Fox and Callendar get shafted in the placings, etc. but there's no politics...right!

Then there are some of the Yates years, when guys who worked harder and looked better didn't win.

An unofficial and substantive part of the winning criterion is actually the persona of the prospective winners, something like beauty contests though never acknowledged. This isn't mentioned but is clearly part of the equation. This coming straight from the mouth of a previous olympia winner.

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Most here make the big mistake of thinking in absolutes, that the shows are either fixed or not, while the truth is somewhere in between-various shows aren't fixed, consistent with what is being siad, but then there are the glaring examples where it's quite obvious the fix is in. Weider's no fool, knew that the fix had to be less than overt to allow the olympia to retain any degree of veracity. The truly dense ones here continue to expect overt proof of this when it would never have been allowed...duh!

the shows are fixed when your hero doesn't win and when he does the judges get it right , nonsense you can't have it two ways either all contests are fixed or none are

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One thing that has been completely ignored was Weider's penchant for excluding guys who could interfere with his plans-Oliva in '71, Schwarzie winning against no one, Nubret and Oliva in the late 70s when they take turns dominating Columbu and Zane in fair shows (as does Robinson in '78, check the video).

Sergio won unopposed in 1968 was this the Weider's handy work? NO according to you this is one of the fair contests , see above ..cake and eat it to

Zane killed Robby and I have seen the videos

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And of course the textbook debacle, the '81 Olympia..lol no one here can refute this even after plenty of effort to do just that.

Plenty of the top BBs from the late 70s and early 80s either left the IFBB, avoided the IFBB or retired because of the hijinks. The "sport" was seriously denuded of top talent in the years following Arnold's departure.

wow so that must mean contests are fixed , no contests are fixed when the white guy wins and when he loses they get it right , typical pumpster

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Essentially Weider's always felt that finding and sustaining a desirable good spokesman for the "sport" was important, a Haney or Yates in lieu of others as or more physically gifted but lacking in other departments. This was always keeping an eye on future mag and supplement sales, as opposed to enlivening the show with less predictability based on the actual appearance is that day. No Oliva or Nubret in the 70s, Szkalak leaves, Padilla, Mentzer, Robinson, Fox and Callendar get shafted in the placings, etc. but there's no politics...right!

Then there are some of the Yates years, when guys who worked harder and looked better didn't win.

An unofficial and substantive part of the winning criterion is actually the persona of the prospective winners, something like beauty contests though never acknowledged. This isn't mentioned but is clearly part of the equation. This coming straight from the mouth of a previous olympia winner.

No one worked harder than Yates that's delusional in of itself ! and if entertaining your belief personality plays a ' substantive ' part in winning , Dorian Yates would have NEVER been Mr Olympia or Ronnie Coleman , never

entertaining this train of thought Lee Labrada would have been the hands down perfect choice , young , handsome , articulate , college educated , family man , aesthetic to appeal to a broad unreached market of the general public , a ' attainable ' physique

to say they chose Dorian Yates over this based on personality and marketability shows just how off the mark you are no way does that make sense in the least especially considering he chastised by Schwarzenegger for not doing enough to promote the sport like he did , your analysis makes no sense from the position you're trying to take.

Albert Schmidt · « **Reply #110 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:34:41 PM »

Dude thanks for keeping it Positive.

Ron · « **Reply #111 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:36:04 PM »

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Do you not find it strange that someone who doesnt work out and over eats is interested in looking at guys prance around in a thong and say they are into BB ?

Honestly, if you dont like the sport, then stop posting here. Simple as that. I admire the determination, the discipline, the training, the overall physique - the muscularity, conditioning, symmtery, vascularity of what it takes. Whereas all you do is admire the posing trunks.

Stop being an idiot - posing trunks are like European swimsuits. If you don't know that a thong is, I suggest you look at some sexy women's swimsuits in some magazines, or some of the bikini and figure girls that we shoot - oh... you are not interested...

Dude - get over it. Learn the meaning of a thong. Learn the meaning of a posing suit. It gets old.

There are fans for every sport - obviously, people go to various events to see their friends, the relatives, someone who got into shape, whether it is in bikini, figure, fitness or bodybuilding.

Obviously, I have various friends, colleages and people are various customers that compete.

Don't be naive and just plain stupid.

A little knowledge and respect might help - and I say it again - If you dont like bodybuilding, whether amateur or professional, then get out of here. Jeez.

Albert Schmidt · « **Reply #112 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:47:02 PM »

Well said Ron.

chaos · « **Reply #113 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:50:22 PM »

Quote from: Albert Schmidt on September 14, 2009, 06:47:02 PM

Well said Ron.

Outed.

Albert Schmidt · « **Reply #114 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:59:42 PM »

Police are in da house.

webcake · « **Reply #115 on:** September 14, 2009, 07:02:50 PM »

This isn't looking good for Will Grant....... $:-\$

WillGrant · « **Reply #116 on:** September 14, 2009, 07:06:05 PM »

Quote from: Ron on September 14, 2009, 06:36:04 PM

Honestly, if you dont like the sport, then stop posting here. Simple as that. I admire the determination, the discipline, the training, the overall physique - the muscularity, conditioning, symmtery, vascularity of what it takes. Whereas all you do is admire the posing trunks.

Stop being an idiot - posing trunks are like European swimsuits. If you don't know that a thong is, I suggest you look at some sexy women's swimsuits in some magazines, or some of the bikini and figure girls that we shoot - oh... you are not interested...

Dude - get over it. Learn the meaning of a thong. Learn the meaning of a posing suit. It gets old.

There are fans for every sport - obviously, people go to various events to see their friends, the relatives, someone who got into shape, whether it is in bikini, figure, fitness or bodybuilding.

Obviously, I have various friends, colleages and people are various customers that compete.

Don't be naive and just plain stupid.

A little knowledge and respect might help - and I say it again - If you dont like bodybuilding, whether amateur or professional, then get out of here. Jeez.

I like bodybuilding , I participate in it unlike yourself , thats what I dont understand..
You dont need 20 inch arms or to be shredded like someone on stage just at least workout and follow a good diet but you do none of this , we all have tigt scedules via work and family etc but still make time to train ..

I do respect you and the pics etc you take I just find it odd that someone with no interest in bodybuilding spends so much time hanging around it.

WillGrant · « **Reply #117 on:** September 14, 2009, 07:08:06 PM »

Quote from: Albert Schmidt on September 14, 2009, 06:47:02 PM

Well said Ron.

Why are you here ? you sit there bashing this cult left right and centre, your switznegger account is in timeout so dont grease up Rons ass ,

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #118 on:** September 14, 2009, 07:10:14 PM »

Quote from: WillGrant on September 14, 2009, 07:06:05 PM

I like bodybuilding , I participate in it unlike yourself , thats what I dont understand..
You dont need 20 inch arms or to be shredded like someone on stage just at least workout and follow a good diet but you do none of this , we all have tigt scedules via work and family etc but still make time to train ..

I do respect you and the pics etc you take I just find it odd that someone with no interest in bodybuilding spends so much time hanging around it.

ha now tell us about your family values LOL