Author Topic: Joe Wilson's Free Health Care (Read 17494 times)

tonymctones · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:39:39 PM »

you guys are morons

recieving health care from the govt isnt the same as govt run health care....idiots

in one instance you actually work or pay for it in another you get it free...

Skip8282 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:41:47 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on September 12, 2009, 12:37:33 PM

That's my point! You just said it... They CAN'T drop you... and what makes you so special?

I can get dropped and I've worked every bit as hard as you if not harder... So why do you think you deserve better health insurance than I do?

Maybe because he offers up his life in service for this country?

tonymctones · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:42:38 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on September 12, 2009, 04:41:47 PM

Maybe because he offers up his life in service for this country?

that doesnt matter to them...

apparently working and getting stuff for free is the same

The Luke · « **Reply #28 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:42:52 PM »

I actually get the Right Wingers argument here...

If you VOLUNTEER to fight or your country then TAXPAYER SUBSIDISED healthcare is nothing more than a benefit in kind; a form of renumeration; a fraction of the wage earned.

Such healthcare should be earned, not handed out at TAXPAYER expense for free.

To HH6; Skip8282; tonymctones; 333386 and others:

Am I properly comprehending your position? Am I articulating your position concisely and correctly?

The Luke

headhuntersix · « **Reply #29 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:06:34 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on September 12, 2009, 12:37:33 PM

That's my point! You just said it... They CAN'T drop you... and what makes you so special?

I can get dropped and I've worked every bit as hard as you if not harder... So why do you think you deserve better health insurance than I do?

When was the last time u were deployed to a war zone...worked for months straight...months...8-12 hour days all day everyday with limited or no contact with family, eaten plastic food, gotten mortored and rocketed...shot at..IED'd....4 hours sleep for days or less...been in charge of lives..not employee's ..lives..in every aspect...jumped out of an airplane as part of ur job..roped down a line froma chopper...walked with 100 plus lbs on ur back..for work...in blazing heat..or numbing cold....they can't drop us. Even if u do manuel labor and dig ditches, nobody is trying to kill u as part of ur job....they can't drop us. I'm not saying I've done all of the above..but its a pretty good list of things soldiers have to do.

And Luke..yes..instead of the Gov paying me and me paying into a service as you urself might do with ur job...we get the healthcare "free"as a benefit. Imagine selling co-pays as part of the recruiting video. Now when I retire I will have co-pays with Tricare or free with the VA. But as with anything if I go with TRICARE, it operates like normal insurance. It will depend if I go to a military facility whether I pay a co-pay. Our system, is as mind numbingly hard to figure out as regular insurance. The difference is that I can go around the system to get to the military doctors while the average person still deals with the stupidity. My bene

tu_holmes · « **Reply #30 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:04:07 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on September 12, 2009, 12:43:11 PM

I pay for myself every month. I dont get free anything. I also dont want or expect you to pay for me either.

The govt is the major factor in the increases of the price and inflation in health care and you and others think that the culprit is going to be the cure???

WTF planet are you living on? The govt always makes a problem worse not better. Health care is no different.

Hey genius... I wasn't talking about you... I was talking about Joe Wilson.

Quote from: headhuntersix on September 12, 2009, 08:06:34 PM

When was the last time u were deployed to a war zone...worked for months straight...months...8-12 hour days all day everyday with limited or no contact with family, eaten plastic food, gotten mortored and rocketed...shot at..IED'd....4 hours sleep for days or less...been in charge of lives..not employee's ..lives..in every aspect...jumped out of an airplane as part of ur job..roped down a line froma chopper...walked with 100 plus lbs on ur back..for work...in blazing heat..or numbing cold....they can't drop us. Even if u do manuel labor and dig ditches, nobody is trying to kill u as part of ur job....they can't drop us. I'm not saying I've done all of the above..but its a pretty good list of things soldiers have to do.

And Luke..yes..instead of the Gov paying me and me paying into a service as you urself might do with ur job...we get the healthcare "free"as a benefit. Imagine selling co-pays as part of the recruiting video. Now when I retire I will have co-pays with Tricare or free with the VA. But as with anything if I go with TRICARE, it operates like normal insurance. It will depend if I go to a military facility whether I pay a co-pay. Our system, is as mind numbingly hard to figure out as regular insurance. The difference is that I can go around the system to get to the military doctors while the average person still deals with the stupidity. My bene

Because it's their job. It does not make them "special".

I easily work as hard and have just as much impact on society as your soldiers do. GTFO with you thinking you're better because you are in the military.

The Luke · « **Reply #31 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:31:25 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on September 12, 2009, 08:06:34 PM

And Luke..yes..instead of the Gov paying me and me paying into a service as you urself might do with ur job...we get the healthcare "free"as a benefit.

...well then at least we can start from a point of agreement.

That agreement must be that your entire argument is based on a faulty premise.

If the CHILDREN of soldiers are entitled to the benefits of socialised healthcare then any and all arguments your side can muster to defend your children availing of taxpayer funded socialised healthcare can similarly be used to defend an orphans (or the needy) entitlement to such taxpayer funded socialised healthcare.

You get taxpayer funded socialised healthcare because you served in the armed forces and the poor; needy; underprivileged; illegals etc didn't serve... that's fine. But your kids are too young to serve and they have access to your taxpayer funded socialised healthcare... if your kids get it without serving so should everybody elses kids.

Yours is the typical retarded moronic Republican catch-cry of forcing everyone to fend for themselves.

You can't build a society that way.

The Luke

tonymctones · « **Reply #32 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:41:21 PM »

you idiots operate under the assumption that recieving health care from the govt for a job is the same as govt run health care and its not...

address that point brain children...

tonymctones · « **Reply #33 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:14:51 PM »

Quote from: The Luke on September 12, 2009, 09:31:25 PM

...well then at least we can start from a point of agreement.

That agreement must be that your entire argument is based on a faulty premise.

If the CHILDREN of soldiers are entitled to the benefits of socialised healthcare then any and all arguments your side can muster to defend your children availing of taxpayer funded socialised healthcare can similarly be used to defend an orphans (or the needy) entitlement to such taxpayer funded socialised healthcare.

You get taxpayer funded socialised healthcare because you served in the armed forces and the poor; needy; underprivileged; illegals etc didn't serve... that's fine. But your kids are too young to serve and they have access to your taxpayer funded socialised healthcare... if your kids get it without serving so should everybody elses kids.

Yours is the typical retarded moronic Republican catch-cry of forcing everyone to fend for themselves.

You can't build a society that way.

The Luke

you fuking moron they get it as a part of his contract b/c he served brain child if you work and have health care you have the option of covering your kids as well...

again address the point jack ass

receiving health care from the govt isnt the same as govt run health care...you guys are showing your idiocy in true lib fasion

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #34 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:23:54 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on September 12, 2009, 12:37:33 PM

That's my point! You just said it... They CAN'T drop you... and what makes you so special?

I can get dropped and I've worked every bit as hard as you if not harder... So why do you think you deserve better health insurance than I do?

What makes him and Wilson so special is that they served their country, thats what makes them so special. HH6 volunteered to serve his country for little pay, in that reguard he and anyone that's either in or was in the military deserves to be taken care of..IMO, we own them that. Anyone else who want to freeload should pay. But unfortunately ingrate liberals can't see it that way. No, neither are hipocrites, liberals are just not smart enough to see it that way.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 13, 2009, 05:08:38 AM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on September 12, 2009, 09:04:07 PM

I easily work as hard and have just as much impact on society as your soldiers do. GTFO with you thinking you're better because you are in the military.

OK, I'll bite. First, I don't think anybody is thinking soldiers are "better" than you. And, yes, having to put their life at risk is "special". If we follow your argument out, then I guess the POTUS should not have secret service protection unless we all have it? I'll guarantee you most people work harder than a guy who sits in meetings and briefings all day.

Second, please do tell what you do for society that makes such a strong and powerful impact that everybody should have to pay for your healthcare. What vital role do you play for this nation that the entire populace should have to foot your healthcare bills?

The Luke · « **Reply #36 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:35:12 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on September 12, 2009, 11:14:51 PM

you fuking moron they get it as a part of his contract b/c he served brain child if you work and have health care you have the option of covering your kids as well...
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...can a soldier cover someone else's kids if he doesn't have any himself?

...why do the kids of soldiers get taxpayer funded socialised healthcare when other kids don't?

...if a soldier dies in combat, do his kids have access to his taxpayer funded socialised healthcare even after his death? How long does that coverage last?

...how do orphans go about getting access to this taxpayer funded socialised healthcare? Seeing as they have no parents to send off to war?

...how do the kids of disabled people get access to this taxpayer funded socialised healthcare, seeing as the army won't accept their parents?

Do you guys see how retarded this "I deserve ma free healthcare healthcare 'cos I killed fureigners fur ma country, and ain't nobody else deserves no other free healthcare no how, no way" argument is?

I would defy any of the enlightened patriot veterans reading this board to proffer ONE good argument why their taxpayer funded socialised healthcare should be extended to their non-veteran family members THAT DOESN'T EQUALLY APPLY to all the people they want to refuse free healthcare to.

Awaiting crickets...

The Luke

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #37 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:40:12 AM »

Quote from: The Luke on September 13, 2009, 06:35:12 AM

Quote from: tonymctones on September 12, 2009, 11:14:51 PM
you fuking moron they get it as a part of his contract b/c he served brain child if you work and have health care you have the option of covering your kids as well...
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...can a soldier cover someone else's kids if he doesn't have any himself?

...why do the kids of soldiers get taxpayer funded socialised healthcare when other kids don't?

...if a soldier dies in combat, do his kids have access to his taxpayer funded socialised healthcare even after his death? How long does that coverage last?

...how do orphans go about getting access to this taxpayer funded socialised healthcare? Seeing as they have no parents to send off to war?

...how do the kids of disabled people get access to this taxpayer funded socialised healthcare, seeing as the army won't accept their parents?

Do you guys see how retarded this "I deserve ma free healthcare healthcare 'cos I killed fureigners fur ma country, and ain't nobody else deserves no other free healthcare no how, no way" argument is?

I would defy any of the enlightened patriot veterans reading this board to proffer ONE good argument why their taxpayer funded socialised healthcare should be extended to their non-veteran family members THAT DOESN'T EQUALLY APPLY to all the people they want to refuse free healthcare to.

Awaiting crickets...

The Luke

Its in return for a lower salary $$$$ wise. They make a small salary and get rewarded with benefits instead.

The Luke · « **Reply #38 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:54:55 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on September 13, 2009, 06:40:12 AM

Its in return for a lower salary $$$$ wise. They make a small salary and get rewarded with benefits instead.

...then shouldn't the poor get the same benefits? After all, in a capitalist monetary system, SOMEONE has to be poor.

See how this argument cuts both ways...? ...ALL the arguments that can be put forward to justify the children/spouses of soldiers receiving government-run taxpayer-funded socialised healthcare APPLY EQUALLY WELL to those your politics would deny healthcare.

The Luke

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #39 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:59:11 AM »

Quote from: The Luke on September 13, 2009, 06:54:55 AM

...then shouldn't the poor get the same benefits? After all, in a capitalist monetary system, SOMEONE has to be poor.

See how this argument cuts both ways...? ...ALL the arguments that can be put forward to justify the children/spouses of soldiers receiving government-run taxpayer-funded socialised healthcare APPLY EQUALLY WELL to those your politics would deny healthcare.

The Luke

What service are "the poor" performing that they should get the same benes as the guy dodging bullets, terrorists, sand storms, and other hazards?

Skip8282 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:02:21 AM »

It's not about a soldiers "rights". It's a perk of the job. It's a benefit used to entice people to possibly sacrifice their lives when called upon. That benefit does not equally apply to everybody because not everybody is willing to make that sacrifice. And you can skip the orphan and handicap crap because most, if not all, 50 states provide free healthcare for children under 18.

Look, I myself am leaning towards socialized medicine. I'm completely fed up with the Republicans doing absolutely nothing to help fix our problems. But, trying to justify socialized healthcare by attacking our service men and women is just nonsense.

The Luke · « **Reply #41 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:37:14 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on September 13, 2009, 06:59:11 AM

What service are "the poor" performing that they should get the same benes as the guy dodging bullets, terrorists, sand storms, and other hazards?

...what services are these veterans kids providing? Why do they get coverage?

The Luke

tonymctones · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:56:11 AM »

Quote from: The Luke on September 13, 2009, 07:37:14 AM

...what services are these veterans kids providing? Why do they get coverage?

The Luke

its part of the package their parents get

you could say that about anybody who recieves coverage from their jobs and covers their children.

what part of this dont you understand?

recieving health care from the govt as part of your job isnt the same a govt run health care luke...

The Luke · « **Reply #43 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:03:08 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 07:56:11 AM

recieving health care from the govt as part of your job isnt the same a govt run health care luke...

...eh, then who does run that healthcare?

Is the VA a privately run system that the government is not involved in? Are you really arguing that the American government doesn't run any healthcare programs?

By the way, I still haven't heard any proper argument that supports this taxper-funded government-run socialised healthcare being extended to soldiers dependents that doesn't equally apply to the groups you guys would deny any free healthcare: illegals; the poor; etc.

The Luke

Skip8282 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:09:19 AM »

Quote from: The Luke on September 13, 2009, 08:03:08 AM

...eh, then who does run that healthcare?

Is the VA a privately run system that the government is not involved in? Are you really arguing that the American government doesn't run any healthcare programs?

By the way, I still haven't heard any proper argument that supports this taxper-funded government-run socialised healthcare being extended to soldiers dependents that doesn't equally apply to the groups you guys would deny any free healthcare: illegals; the poor; etc.

The Luke

Haven't heard a proper argument from you.

As long as government benefits should apply to everybody equally, where's my private 747? Where's my personal chef? Where's my secret service protection? Where's my private helicopter? After all, I work just as hard as the POTUS.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #45 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:10:04 AM »

Luke cops firemen teachers also get these benes too. Do you begrudge their kids as well from benefitting?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #46 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:10:56 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on September 13, 2009, 08:09:19 AM

Haven't heard a proper argument from you.

As long as government benefits should apply to everybody equally, where's my private 747? Where's my personal chef? Where's my secret service protection? Where's my private helicopter? After all, I work just as hard as the POTUS.

BS!

You probably work a lot harder from what I can tell is going on in this WH.

tonymctones · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:16:02 AM »

Quote from: The Luke on September 13, 2009, 08:03:08 AM

...eh, then who does run that healthcare?

Is the VA a privately run system that the government is not involved in? Are you really arguing that the American government doesn't run any healthcare programs?

By the way, I still haven't heard any proper argument that supports this taxper-funded government-run socialised healthcare being extended to soldiers dependents that doesn't equally apply to the groups you guys would deny any free healthcare: illegals; the poor; etc.

The Luke

your misunderstanding reciveing health care from the govt for a job which is recieving health care from the govt
isnt the same as govt run health care in which everybody recieves health care regardless of job or contribution....

you want to point to them as reasons for single payer but they contribute and its part of their contract nobody is stoping you or anyone else from joining up so if you want it that bad go join up...

tonymctones · « **Reply #48 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:18:05 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on September 13, 2009, 08:09:19 AM

Haven't heard a proper argument from you.

As long as government benefits should apply to everybody equally, where's my private 747? Where's my personal chef? Where's my secret service protection? Where's my private helicopter? After all, I work just as hard as the POTUS.

LOL i could get on board with that

Skip8282 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:34:32 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:18:05 AM

LOL i could get on board with that

Just wait until the next time I put in some overtime. I'll really be expecting some free shit then. From the way he posts and spells, it doesn't seem to me that The Luke is even an American?