Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?

[Soul Crusher]

You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

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[Dos Equis]

You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that your contention makes no sense.  Everyone who disagrees with you is dumb by default.  

Maybe you should move to a country were most of the people aren't so stupid.  lol . . .  

[The True Adonis]

Which has nothing to do with the fact that your contention makes no sense.  Everyone who disagrees with you is dumb by default.  

Maybe you should move to a country were most of the people aren't so stupid.  lol . . .  

Shootfighter disagrees with me a lot, I have NEVER called him dumb or think of him in that way.  I don`t think you are dumb some of the time.   

[The True Adonis]

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I can`t paint as well as my girlfriend or really at all.   

[Buffgeek]

...now this, ladies and gentlemen, is what scientists define as a "PWNING EVENT"!

tonymctones, go sit in the corner... you have been PWN3D.



The rest of this thread is equally hilarious... TA brutalising delusional right-wingers by contrasting their FOX News manufactured worldview with actual reality.

Obama's approval rating is still above 50%... despite the bailout; despite the recession/depression; despite 17% unemployment; despite the trillion dollar deficit... and most importantly, despite the very best efforts of the corporate bought-and-paid-for right wing mainstream media.

50% approval rating... despite being smeared with everything the right could ever possibly throw at him.


So even if they held another election tomorrow, Obama would still win.


And recent polls show 80% of doctors support healthcare reform, alongside 77% of regular Americans.

What if those 77% of Americans marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 230 million people fill?

What if just the uninsured marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 50 million people fill?



Face facts people... the GOP is finished... the Christian right is finished... all this noise is just the death throws of fear-bases resentment politics.

You will all have to accept reality eventually.


The Luke

So Obama barely won the election with 53% of the vote and his approval rating is down from 68%(ish) to 50-51% and you are saying he would still win today? Those numbers dont seem to add up.

And here is the beautiful statistical lie you guys love to spew....

I work in healthcare and I can confirm that 80% (or more) of doctors would like healthcare reform. Key word here is Healthcare Reform  80% of Doctors and 77% of Americans DONT want a goverment run Healthcare system or another bankrupt entitlement program, they want Reform. They want solutions to rising healthcare insurance costs.

Also of the 45 million uninsured about 10 million are here illegally putting the number at 35 million. Of that 35 million how many opt out of health insurance, but could pay for and just dont want it? 17 Million of the 35 million make over 50k a year or more...

"The National Center for Policy Analysis estimates that uninsured people get about $1,500 of free health care per year, or $6,000 per family of four. "


Also  AWESOME unprovoked jab at christians.

[The Luke]

Buffgeek,


If you really do work in healthcare, then give us the inside scoop:

Who do the doctors and hospitals prefer dealing with, HMOs or Medicare?



The Luke

[Buffgeek]

Buffgeek,


If you really do work in healthcare, then give us the inside scoop:

Who do the doctors and hospitals prefer dealing with, HMOs or Medicare?



The Luke

The providers I work with are primarily large private practices run by partnerships of the providers themselves.  Most of these practices lose money or break even with Medicare and several don't even accept medicare. The difference between a Medicare and say a Regence is that with Regence there is some negotiating room pricewise on the fee schedule. With Medicare they set the price and most often it doesnt cover the actual cost of the visit. Several doctors I know of in the area will accept a few medicare patients at a loss just to serve the community.

What drives up the cost on healthcare in speaking with the docs is the rediculous insurance they themselves have to pay just to practice medicine. The threat of getting sued for 300 million for screwing up. Most of the Doctors in this state stop delivering babies just for that reason. Tort reform is something very high most providers wishlist that I have talked to.

I can't speak on HMO's relating to providers as I don't work with them at all.

At one point my wife had that type of insurance and what I learned quickly is that HMO's are an insurance ran cookie cutter assembly line medical service designed to cut the costs for the insurance carrier. The theory bieng poor people still need healthcare too and the service can suck because their patients can't afford to go elsewhere. 

[headhuntersix]

TA...take a lesson from this last post...thats what I'm talking about...an original post based on life experience. No cut and paste...actual paragraphs worth of information.

[The True Adonis]

TA...take a lesson from this last post...thats what I'm talking about...an original post based on life experience. No cut and paste...actual paragraphs worth of information.

Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

[Skip8282]

Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

You mean a man of your amazingly high intellectual prowess and cultured sophistication stooped as low as working amongst us dimwits?  Was it for a sociology project?

[Bindare_Dundat]

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Yeah, be modest.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

Was that before or after you were a "demolition machine handler".

[Bindare_Dundat]

I have a question for you TA.

 Do you ever get confused running a window for getbig, a window for a Thesaurus.com, one for Dictionary.com and also Wikipedia all at the same time?

[The Luke]

What drives up the cost on healthcare in speaking with the docs is the rediculous insurance they themselves have to pay just to practice medicine. The threat of getting sued for 300 million for screwing up. Most of the Doctors in this state stop delivering babies just for that reason. Tort reform is something very high most providers wishlist that I have talked to.

...over here doctors are allowed to group together to form a single body with which to purchase malpractice insurance. That keeps insurance costs extremely low for the doctors... but if it's good for doctors, it's equally valid for patients.

Medicare patients would be profitable if doctors didn't have to pay huge insurance overheads in order to practice (I believe malpractice insurance can be somewhere in the region of 40% to 60% of a doctors gross income depending on the state?).


But what you miss here is that the ONLY ones doing well under this system are the insurance companies.

They screw the patients, screw the doctors (malpractice), screw the taxpayer and profit from screwing the system.


Your post is actually making my point for me... you're just locked into the mindset of thinking INSIDE the system: we need reform; we need to tweak this; we need to fix that.

Fuck reform, fuck legislative provisions: eliminate the parasites feeding on the system (and I don't mean illegals).

What America needs to do is outlaw these insurance companies altogether.

They provide NO SERVICE.

All they do is step between patients and doctors and skim off the top on every transaction.


But they have you all so misinformed and terrified that you all react with predictable knee-jerk adversarial aggression. Everyone afraid to lose what little they have, each side attacking the other... nobody looking behind the curtain.

The Fench system WORKS... STEAL IT!

Most European systems WORK... STEAL ONE OF THOSE!

Even the Canadian system WORKS... STEAL THAT!


At the rate this situation is exacerbating, in another twenty years you'll all be paying half of your salaries to insurance companies (I use HMO as a catch-all term) just to be included in a yearly lottery wherein one lucky American wins a visit to a witch doctor.


The Luke

[Bindare_Dundat]

...over here doctors are allowed to group together to form a single body with which to purchase malpractice insurance. That keeps insurance costs extremely low for the doctors... but if it's good for doctors, it's equally valid for patients.

Medicare patients would be profitable if doctors didn't have to pay huge insurance overheads in order to practice (I believe malpractice insurance can be somewhere in the region of 40% to 60% of a doctors gross income depending on the state?).


But what you miss here is that the ONLY ones doing well under this system are the insurance companies.

They screw the patients, screw the doctors (malpractice), screw the taxpayer and profit from screwing the system.


Your post is actually making my point for me... you're just locked into the mindset of thinking INSIDE the system: we need reform; we need to tweak this; we need to fix that.

Fuck reform, fuck legislative provisions: eliminate the parasites feeding on the system (and I don't mean illegals).

What America needs to do is outlaw these insurance companies altogether.

They provide NO SERVICE.

All they do is step between patients and doctors and skim off the top on every transaction.


But they have you all so misinformed and terrified that you all react with predictable knee-jerk adversarial aggression. Everyone afraid to lose what little they have, each side attacking the other... nobody looking behind the curtain.

The Fench system WORKS... STEAL IT!

Most European systems WORK... STEAL ONE OF THOSE!

Even the Canadian system WORKS... STEAL THAT!


At the rate this situation is exacerbating, in another twenty years you'll all be paying half of your salaries to insurance companies (I use HMO as a catch-all term) just to be included in a yearly lottery wherein one lucky American wins a visit to a witch doctor.


The Luke

Tone it down a bit buddy. Take a Valium.

[garebear]

Tone it down a bit buddy. Take a Valium.

Right. We don't want coherent and logical argument getting in our way.

[garebear]

Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

What's your take on 911?

Inside job, Bush let it happen, Al Qaeda just got through, etc.

[tonymctones]

You mean a man of your amazingly high intellectual prowess and cultured sophistication stooped as low as working amongst us dimwits?  Was it for a sociology project?

hahahah just wanted to point out the humor that everyone looked over 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Right. We don't want coherent and logical argument getting in our way.

Don't you have some sandbags to fill?

[The True Adonis]

You mean a man of your amazingly high intellectual prowess and cultured sophistication stooped as low as working amongst us dimwits?  Was it for a sociology project?

Summer job while in school.  My friend`s father was head of HR and we both used to screw off there while denying people coverage.

[The True Adonis]

What's your take on 911?

Inside job, Bush let it happen, Al Qaeda just got through, etc.

Isolated incident that could have been perpetrated by anyone so inclined to carry it out.  Security was lax and somewhat of a joke in airports in 2001 and could have been easily pulled off by anyone daring enough to do so.

Al-Quadea is a joke and Bush was caught with his pants down when he should have been paying attention to memos, specifically ones that highlight an attack with an airliner into a building.  Bush surely is not to blame though at all for the actual attack.

[Hugo Chavez]

When was I proven wrong and what was the topic at hand?  May I have a link please.

proven you are wrong and admitting you are wrong are not the same thing.  You've probably never admitted to being wrong Mr. Junk Food is Good For You... lol...

[tonymctones]

proven you are wrong and admitting you are wrong are not the same thing.  You've probably never admitted to being wrong Mr. Junk Food is Good For You... lol...

100 rep set deadlift 

[The True Adonis]

proven you are wrong and admitting you are wrong are not the same thing.  You've probably never admitted to being wrong Mr. Junk Food is Good For You... lol...

There is no such thing as junk food.

[Hugo Chavez]

There is no such thing as junk food.

  I rest my case...